<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Vanna can’t save you now]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Erik Hoffner http://www.grist.org/article/jacka/ Thu, 08 Feb 2007 03:51:30 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/jacka/1 Hilarious

Thanks, Dave. I needed that laugh.

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Thanks, Dave. I needed that laugh.

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]]> Comment #2 by Jones http://www.grist.org/article/jacka/ Thu, 08 Feb 2007 04:31:33 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/jacka/2 How did you even know about this?

David, are you a regular at patsajak.com?

Anyway, I'm not so worried about what "Sajak Says"...

]]> How did you even know about this?

David, are you a regular at patsajak.com?

Anyway, I'm not so worried about what "Sajak Says"...

]]> Comment #3 by wiscidea http://www.grist.org/article/jacka/ Thu, 08 Feb 2007 04:55:44 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/jacka/3 Wheel of Fortune?

Is that a TV show?

Forward!

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Is that a TV show?

Forward!

]]> Comment #4 by A Siegel http://www.grist.org/article/jacka/ Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:03:43 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/jacka/4 I want to buy a vowel ...

Actually ... Perhaps, can I ask, is there a B ... and an S????

At the end of the day, to a certain extent, he has a point about whether people are doing everything that they can / should to address Global Warming.  If you believe in GW, should you be taking a private jet around the world?

By the way, the skeptics guide is truly wonderful, of regular use and recommend it to many others.

]]> I want to buy a vowel ...

Actually ... Perhaps, can I ask, is there a B ... and an S????

At the end of the day, to a certain extent, he has a point about whether people are doing everything that they can / should to address Global Warming.  If you believe in GW, should you be taking a private jet around the world?

By the way, the skeptics guide is truly wonderful, of regular use and recommend it to many others.

]]> Comment #5 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/jacka/ Sat, 10 Feb 2007 04:57:41 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/jacka/5 Let's review the skeptics points

Point 1: Today, you have a widespread scientific consensus, supported by national academies and all the major scientific institutions, solidly behind the warning that the temperature is rising, anthropogenic CO2 is the primary cause

Wrong.   The recent IPCC report did not specifically state that anthropogenic causes were absolutely the reason.   That has been the missing link in both Al Gore's movie and in the IPCC report.  Correlation and causality are two different things.

Point 2:First, they need to identify the mechanism behind this alleged natural cycle. Absent a forcing of some sort, there will be no change in global energy balance. The balance is changing, so natural or otherwise, we need to find this mysterious cause.

Second, they need to come up with an explanation for why a 35% increase in the second most important greenhouse gas does not affect the global temperature. Theory predicts temperature will rise given an enhanced greenhouse effect, so how or why is it not happening?

Mechanism?  Why?  In science you can identify a pattern long before the explanation exists.   Lorenz identified mass variance before Einstein's equations "explained" it.

And the second paragraph is completely inane!  One doesn't have to come up with explanations for why things are not linked!   Under that logic, I could take any object or item which has increased in the last 300 years and link it to global warming.  In another post I suggested that scissors production could be linked to global warming.    Why not tattoes?  More people are wearing them...they must be causing global warming.

Far from being a Skeptics "Guide" I think it's another case of illogic and poor science.  Grist needs to buy a vowel before it can speak knowledgeably.

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]]> Let's review the skeptics points

Point 1: Today, you have a widespread scientific consensus, supported by national academies and all the major scientific institutions, solidly behind the warning that the temperature is rising, anthropogenic CO2 is the primary cause

Wrong.   The recent IPCC report did not specifically state that anthropogenic causes were absolutely the reason.   That has been the missing link in both Al Gore's movie and in the IPCC report.  Correlation and causality are two different things.

Point 2:First, they need to identify the mechanism behind this alleged natural cycle. Absent a forcing of some sort, there will be no change in global energy balance. The balance is changing, so natural or otherwise, we need to find this mysterious cause.

Second, they need to come up with an explanation for why a 35% increase in the second most important greenhouse gas does not affect the global temperature. Theory predicts temperature will rise given an enhanced greenhouse effect, so how or why is it not happening?

Mechanism?  Why?  In science you can identify a pattern long before the explanation exists.   Lorenz identified mass variance before Einstein's equations "explained" it.

And the second paragraph is completely inane!  One doesn't have to come up with explanations for why things are not linked!   Under that logic, I could take any object or item which has increased in the last 300 years and link it to global warming.  In another post I suggested that scissors production could be linked to global warming.    Why not tattoes?  More people are wearing them...they must be causing global warming.

Far from being a Skeptics "Guide" I think it's another case of illogic and poor science.  Grist needs to buy a vowel before it can speak knowledgeably.

The Texeme Construct offers international text memetics construction and textcasting services.

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