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            <title>Comment #1 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:37:38 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Mind the gap!</strong></p><p>Notice that since the MESB was established in 1993, there has been at least one report submitted every year, and usually two or three, until 2003. &nbsp;After that, nothing. &nbsp;So what happened in 2003 to shut them down?</p><p>
From the little that I have read about her, Jennifer Granholm seems to be an intelligent and competent governor. &nbsp;It would be very likely for her to act in the style of Newt Gingrich. &nbsp;Surely this story is considerably more complicated than the simple news of her ordering the board's termination.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Mind the gap!</strong></p><p>Notice that since the MESB was established in 1993, there has been at least one report submitted every year, and usually two or three, until 2003. &nbsp;After that, nothing. &nbsp;So what happened in 2003 to shut them down?</p><p>
From the little that I have read about her, Jennifer Granholm seems to be an intelligent and competent governor. &nbsp;It would be very likely for her to act in the style of Newt Gingrich. &nbsp;Surely this story is considerably more complicated than the simple news of her ordering the board's termination.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:51:46 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>They only worked on problems referred to them</strong></p><p>Well, the MESB only worked on problems referred to them--they had no ability to insert themselves into an issue uninvited. </p><p>
No, I'm afraid this seems more like dumb partisanship -- the rotund "King John" Engler (now head of the National Manufacturers Assn.) formed the board, so after Granholm got in in 2003, she had no use for it. &nbsp;Engler was truly an execrable Governor and he left the state in a financial shambles, with the appellate courts dominated by his appointees, with a terribly weakened and demoralized environmental agency reduced to begging business for some sort of common sense.</p><p>
Still, it's possible for even mentally stopped clocks like Engler to get something right once in a while, and I think the MESB was it.

<p>Save the world:  Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>They only worked on problems referred to them</strong></p><p>Well, the MESB only worked on problems referred to them--they had no ability to insert themselves into an issue uninvited. </p><p>
No, I'm afraid this seems more like dumb partisanship -- the rotund "King John" Engler (now head of the National Manufacturers Assn.) formed the board, so after Granholm got in in 2003, she had no use for it. &nbsp;Engler was truly an execrable Governor and he left the state in a financial shambles, with the appellate courts dominated by his appointees, with a terribly weakened and demoralized environmental agency reduced to begging business for some sort of common sense.</p><p>
Still, it's possible for even mentally stopped clocks like Engler to get something right once in a while, and I think the MESB was it.

<p>Save the world:  Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by ebaerren</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/ignoring-science-not-just-for-republicans-anymore/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:30:47 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Rebuttal<p>You're criticizing a pro-science Democrat for eliminating a board set up by a Republican for the purposes of giving cover to junk science. &nbsp;Bad Gristmill.<p>
<a href="http://www.michiganliberal.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9840" rel="nofollow">http://www.michiganliberal.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9840</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Rebuttal<p>You're criticizing a pro-science Democrat for eliminating a board set up by a Republican for the purposes of giving cover to junk science. &nbsp;Bad Gristmill.<p>
<a href="http://www.michiganliberal.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9840" rel="nofollow">http://www.michiganliberal.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=9840</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:58:26 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Rerebuttal</strong></p><p>So get rid of the hacks, don't kill the board. &nbsp;All the "pro-science" Governor was ratify the precedent of abolishing science boards that don't produce the desired results -- not a precedent that people who are "pro-science" should want followed.</p><p>
And, having followed your link, I should make it clear that Gristmill did not criticize the Governor's decision to abolish the MESB, I did (JMG / Gristmill).

<p>Save the world:  Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Rerebuttal</strong></p><p>So get rid of the hacks, don't kill the board. &nbsp;All the "pro-science" Governor was ratify the precedent of abolishing science boards that don't produce the desired results -- not a precedent that people who are "pro-science" should want followed.</p><p>
And, having followed your link, I should make it clear that Gristmill did not criticize the Governor's decision to abolish the MESB, I did (JMG / Gristmill).

<p>Save the world:  Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:59:24 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Erratum</strong></p><p>that last parenthetical was supposed to be a NOT EQUALS sign, but it didn't come through

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				<p><strong>Erratum</strong></p><p>that last parenthetical was supposed to be a NOT EQUALS sign, but it didn't come through

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            <title>Comment #6 by ebaerren</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:46:13 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Whatever...</strong></p><p>You (bleeped) up. &nbsp;The OTA and the MESB are not the same thing ... not even close. &nbsp;You didn't advocate replacing the hacks with good scientists, but you did suggest that our governor was just as bad as Newt for having abolished the thing.</p><p>
So, sad.</p>
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				<p><strong>Whatever...</strong></p><p>You (bleeped) up. &nbsp;The OTA and the MESB are not the same thing ... not even close. &nbsp;You didn't advocate replacing the hacks with good scientists, but you did suggest that our governor was just as bad as Newt for having abolished the thing.</p><p>
So, sad.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:34:40 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>oops</strong></p><p>Sorry, EBaerren. &nbsp;A crucial negative got left behind on the dock in my penultimate sentence. &nbsp;The intention was: It would be very UNlikely ... , or, It would NOT be very likely ...

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>oops</strong></p><p>Sorry, EBaerren. &nbsp;A crucial negative got left behind on the dock in my penultimate sentence. &nbsp;The intention was: It would be very UNlikely ... , or, It would NOT be very likely ...

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by ebaerren</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:05:05 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I took you at your meaning</strong></p><p>Your intentions were pretty clear, and the internets can be a forgiving place.</p>
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				<p><strong>I took you at your meaning</strong></p><p>Your intentions were pretty clear, and the internets can be a forgiving place.</p>
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