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            <title>Comment #1 by jaclyn</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:00:21 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Dishwasher detergents?</strong></p><p>Anyone got info on dishwasher detergents? &nbsp;Green dishwasher detergents seem to be harder to find than those to wash by hand, and I wasn't really happy with the Seventh Generation gel. &nbsp;(Read "wasn't really happy" as "left dishes visibly dirty. &nbsp;Eew.")</p>
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				<p><strong>Dishwasher detergents?</strong></p><p>Anyone got info on dishwasher detergents? &nbsp;Green dishwasher detergents seem to be harder to find than those to wash by hand, and I wasn't really happy with the Seventh Generation gel. &nbsp;(Read "wasn't really happy" as "left dishes visibly dirty. &nbsp;Eew.")</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by river2sea72</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:15:33 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Diswasher detergent recommendation</strong></p><p>I use Ecover dishwasher detergent. &nbsp;One word of advice, though is that you have to use a rinse aid to get good results. &nbsp;I searched around and found a "green" one at Whole Foods but don't have the product in front of me now to tell you which one it is.</p>
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				<p><strong>Diswasher detergent recommendation</strong></p><p>I use Ecover dishwasher detergent. &nbsp;One word of advice, though is that you have to use a rinse aid to get good results. &nbsp;I searched around and found a "green" one at Whole Foods but don't have the product in front of me now to tell you which one it is.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by raevynn</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:50:34 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Biokleen works for me</strong></p><p>I use Biokleen dish soap, dishwasher powder, and fruit/veggie wash.</p><p>
They all work well for me, and seem to score very well in the 1,4 dioxin category. Ecover does work well, but I think it has dioxin (I'd have to go look again.. I suggest following the link in the article to check out the scores).</p>
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				<p><strong>Biokleen works for me</strong></p><p>I use Biokleen dish soap, dishwasher powder, and fruit/veggie wash.</p><p>
They all work well for me, and seem to score very well in the 1,4 dioxin category. Ecover does work well, but I think it has dioxin (I'd have to go look again.. I suggest following the link in the article to check out the scores).</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by rufwork</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:36:47 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>No mention of Bronner's?<p>Looks like they were on top of the dioxin deal, even filing a lawsuit against those that included it and called themselves organic.<p>
<a href="http://www.drbronner.com/PR/pr_4-28-08_lawsuit.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.drbronner.com/PR/pr_4-28-08_lawsuit.html<p>
I suppose Bronner's markets itself a little too broadly to be considered a dish specialist, but it'll do the deed.</p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>No mention of Bronner's?<p>Looks like they were on top of the dioxin deal, even filing a lawsuit against those that included it and called themselves organic.<p>
<a href="http://www.drbronner.com/PR/pr_4-28-08_lawsuit.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.drbronner.com/PR/pr_4-28-08_lawsuit.html<p>
I suppose Bronner's markets itself a little too broadly to be considered a dish specialist, but it'll do the deed.</p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by mckuhl</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:41:49 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I like Restore!</strong></p><p>It may not be available everywhere, but there is a great product available to us in Minnesota called Restore, made right here in Minneapolis and I think their dish detergent is great (never leaves my hands dry) and works pretty well and smells great. Plus, it is refillable and they have other awesome cleaning products (like their oven cleaner and toilet bowl cleaner) that work extremely well. Not sure how it is on the dioxin front, but I know it is &nbsp;made from real ingredients. </p>
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				<p><strong>I like Restore!</strong></p><p>It may not be available everywhere, but there is a great product available to us in Minnesota called Restore, made right here in Minneapolis and I think their dish detergent is great (never leaves my hands dry) and works pretty well and smells great. Plus, it is refillable and they have other awesome cleaning products (like their oven cleaner and toilet bowl cleaner) that work extremely well. Not sure how it is on the dioxin front, but I know it is &nbsp;made from real ingredients. </p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by PermieWriter</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:27:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>For the dishwasher</strong></p><p>We use Ecos for our hand and sink soap. It works very well. It'll be nice when they get rid of the 1,4-dioxane, but I'm more disturbed by the fact that it comes from Belgium. Which, last I checked, is a long way away.</p><p>
We use the Seventh Gen dishwasher powder and have been very happy with it. Jaclyn, are you sure your dishwasher is working okay? It's easy for the elements to get jammed, particularly for the older models.</p>
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				<p><strong>For the dishwasher</strong></p><p>We use Ecos for our hand and sink soap. It works very well. It'll be nice when they get rid of the 1,4-dioxane, but I'm more disturbed by the fact that it comes from Belgium. Which, last I checked, is a long way away.</p><p>
We use the Seventh Gen dishwasher powder and have been very happy with it. Jaclyn, are you sure your dishwasher is working okay? It's easy for the elements to get jammed, particularly for the older models.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by emgroff</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:53:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Dr. Bronner</strong></p><p>Dr. Bronner, how do I love thee? Let me count the ways...</p><p>
Ms. Wroth does mention Dr. Bronner's in the intro. I think I'll switch to it after I use up the Seventh Generation dish soap I bought. I like the 7G, but it does a pretty crap job cutting grease. It looks like I've cleaned my pans, but once they've dried, I can see a layer of grease remaining that I have to wash again.</p>
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				<p><strong>Dr. Bronner</strong></p><p>Dr. Bronner, how do I love thee? Let me count the ways...</p><p>
Ms. Wroth does mention Dr. Bronner's in the intro. I think I'll switch to it after I use up the Seventh Generation dish soap I bought. I like the 7G, but it does a pretty crap job cutting grease. It looks like I've cleaned my pans, but once they've dried, I can see a layer of grease remaining that I have to wash again.</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by jaclyn</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:41:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Dishwasher</strong></p><p>PermieWriter -</p><p>
I wondered about whether the dishwasher was still doing its job, but I picked up Palmolive's phosphate-free (it's a start) and it's working great. &nbsp;I did use the Seventh Generation powder at one point, and I don't remember having problems with it. &nbsp;Might give it a try again and/or Ecover. I can get both of them at one store in town. &nbsp;I just recommend steering clear of the gel. &nbsp;One problem in particular is what emgroff mentions: a layer of grease remains on some dishes. &nbsp; </p>
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				<p><strong>Dishwasher</strong></p><p>PermieWriter -</p><p>
I wondered about whether the dishwasher was still doing its job, but I picked up Palmolive's phosphate-free (it's a start) and it's working great. &nbsp;I did use the Seventh Generation powder at one point, and I don't remember having problems with it. &nbsp;Might give it a try again and/or Ecover. I can get both of them at one store in town. &nbsp;I just recommend steering clear of the gel. &nbsp;One problem in particular is what emgroff mentions: a layer of grease remains on some dishes. &nbsp; </p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:11:53 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Seventh Generation</strong></p><p>deserves a lot of credit, in general; but it is a pity their product line is so irregular.</p><p>
I never heard of Ecover, but shall now tell my husband to look for it. &nbsp;(He does the shopping.)</p><p>
Biokleen might be a good deal too, since every now and then Little Dog needs a bath -- though usually we take her to the groomers', and do not bathe her ourselves.</p><p>
As for "dish duty": Oh, it is not such a terrible cross to bear, I find, so long as I am left ALL ALONE, with NO interruptions from meddlesome interlopers.</p><p>
But an issue of a different kind is: As counter-intuitive as it may seem, and spiritually unedifying, is it not better, green-wise, to put dirty dishes etc. in the dishwasher? &nbsp;So I had been told.<br>
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				<p><strong>Seventh Generation</strong></p><p>deserves a lot of credit, in general; but it is a pity their product line is so irregular.</p><p>
I never heard of Ecover, but shall now tell my husband to look for it. &nbsp;(He does the shopping.)</p><p>
Biokleen might be a good deal too, since every now and then Little Dog needs a bath -- though usually we take her to the groomers', and do not bathe her ourselves.</p><p>
As for "dish duty": Oh, it is not such a terrible cross to bear, I find, so long as I am left ALL ALONE, with NO interruptions from meddlesome interlopers.</p><p>
But an issue of a different kind is: As counter-intuitive as it may seem, and spiritually unedifying, is it not better, green-wise, to put dirty dishes etc. in the dishwasher? &nbsp;So I had been told.<br>
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            <title>Comment #10 by GregB</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:08:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Watch out for Dioxane<p>The Consumer Union Association recently released an expos&#233; on companies that claim their product is "natural" and "green" but is really filled with 1,4-Dioxane. If you would like to read the results of the products tested please visit this URL:'<br>
<a href="http://www.organicconsumers.org/bodycare/DioxaneResults08.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.organicconsumers.org/bodycare/DioxaneResults08 ...<p>
Unfortunately, 4 of 6 (two products were not tested by OCA) Grist compares in the article have Dioxane in them in varying amounts. The amounts in the Method and Earth Friends Products brands are alarmingly high.<p>
Purchase of such products just increases your chemical exposure load, adds more Dioxane to the environment, and (worst of all) financially rewards corporations that are abusing (by abusing I mean lying) about their claims of selling a "green" product. Please use this report to help make healthy product choices. Full report:<p>
<a href="http://www.organicconsumers.org/bodycare/DioxaneRelease08.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.organicconsumers.org/bodycare/DioxaneRelease08 ...</a></p></p></p></a></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Watch out for Dioxane<p>The Consumer Union Association recently released an expos&#233; on companies that claim their product is "natural" and "green" but is really filled with 1,4-Dioxane. If you would like to read the results of the products tested please visit this URL:'<br>
<a href="http://www.organicconsumers.org/bodycare/DioxaneResults08.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.organicconsumers.org/bodycare/DioxaneResults08 ...<p>
Unfortunately, 4 of 6 (two products were not tested by OCA) Grist compares in the article have Dioxane in them in varying amounts. The amounts in the Method and Earth Friends Products brands are alarmingly high.<p>
Purchase of such products just increases your chemical exposure load, adds more Dioxane to the environment, and (worst of all) financially rewards corporations that are abusing (by abusing I mean lying) about their claims of selling a "green" product. Please use this report to help make healthy product choices. Full report:<p>
<a href="http://www.organicconsumers.org/bodycare/DioxaneRelease08.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.organicconsumers.org/bodycare/DioxaneRelease08 ...</a></p></p></p></a></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by JoeBob</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:14:13 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Dishwasher Detergent</strong></p><p>We like Seventh Generation powder (we don't like the gel either). &nbsp;It gets our dishes clean on the 'light wash' cycle. &nbsp;I've read elsewhere that you can simply use white vinegar for a rinse aid. &nbsp;It seems to work well.</p>
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				<p><strong>Dishwasher Detergent</strong></p><p>We like Seventh Generation powder (we don't like the gel either). &nbsp;It gets our dishes clean on the 'light wash' cycle. &nbsp;I've read elsewhere that you can simply use white vinegar for a rinse aid. &nbsp;It seems to work well.</p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by leftT</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:57:31 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I was not thrilled with Palmolive Eco dishwasher</strong></p><p>It left too much food on the dishes. Too bad because my local food store carries it. </p><p>
Think I'll try the Seventh Generation powder next time I'm near a Whole Foods.</p>
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				<p><strong>I was not thrilled with Palmolive Eco dishwasher</strong></p><p>It left too much food on the dishes. Too bad because my local food store carries it. </p><p>
Think I'll try the Seventh Generation powder next time I'm near a Whole Foods.</p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by brojiley</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:04:02 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>don't</strong></p><p>Seventh Generation powder sucks, too. &nbsp;As does the aforementioned gel. &nbsp;Seriously, I don't want to buy green products that don't work and don't think anyone else should either. &nbsp;That's just enableing.</p>
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				<p><strong>don't</strong></p><p>Seventh Generation powder sucks, too. &nbsp;As does the aforementioned gel. &nbsp;Seriously, I don't want to buy green products that don't work and don't think anyone else should either. &nbsp;That's just enableing.</p>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:54:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>dishwashers</strong></p><p>I've been very happy with Trader Joe's Automatic Dishwasher Detergent (powder). &nbsp;We have a high efficiency washer and have had no problems. &nbsp;Lots of TJ's stuff is green and good, at least relatively. &nbsp;I also love Dr. Bronner's soaps, but haven't tried it in a dishwasher. &nbsp;Dr. Bronner walks the talk.</p>
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				<p><strong>dishwashers</strong></p><p>I've been very happy with Trader Joe's Automatic Dishwasher Detergent (powder). &nbsp;We have a high efficiency washer and have had no problems. &nbsp;Lots of TJ's stuff is green and good, at least relatively. &nbsp;I also love Dr. Bronner's soaps, but haven't tried it in a dishwasher. &nbsp;Dr. Bronner walks the talk.</p>
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            <title>Comment #15 by megank</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:29:02 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Mrs. Meyers</strong></p><p>I really like Mrs. Meyer's dishwashing soap--the website says they're environmentally appropriate--anyone know if this is not so?<br>
Re: Dr. Bronner's, I wash my kitchen floor/counters with peppermint to deter ants and it really really works!</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Mrs. Meyers</strong></p><p>I really like Mrs. Meyer's dishwashing soap--the website says they're environmentally appropriate--anyone know if this is not so?<br>
Re: Dr. Bronner's, I wash my kitchen floor/counters with peppermint to deter ants and it really really works!</br></p>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:11:05 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Quixtar/Amway Dish Drops for Dishwashers</strong></p><p>I've tried just about everything on the market - I really love Melaleuca's products, but their Diamond Brite Gel falls short of my expectations for the dishwasher.</p><p>So far, Quixtar/Amway Global's Dish Drops (not tablets) for the Dishwasher is the most superior performer in my experience. &nbsp;It's extreme concentration cuts the landfill waste and saves me several trips to the store (less gas consumed for repeat trips).</p><p> My Quixtar Rep is a very nice person. &nbsp;if you register as her customer at quixtar.com, use her IBO# 5127985 and KEY: CRO as referring IBO then tell her GTO sent you! </p>
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				<p><strong>Quixtar/Amway Dish Drops for Dishwashers</strong></p><p>I've tried just about everything on the market - I really love Melaleuca's products, but their Diamond Brite Gel falls short of my expectations for the dishwasher.</p><p>So far, Quixtar/Amway Global's Dish Drops (not tablets) for the Dishwasher is the most superior performer in my experience. &nbsp;It's extreme concentration cuts the landfill waste and saves me several trips to the store (less gas consumed for repeat trips).</p><p> My Quixtar Rep is a very nice person. &nbsp;if you register as her customer at quixtar.com, use her IBO# 5127985 and KEY: CRO as referring IBO then tell her GTO sent you! </p>
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				<p><strong>Dishwasher Detergent Strikes Again</strong></p><p>I love the Doc Bronner idea, yummy peppermint-hemp dishes!<br>
Has anyone experimented with water to soap ratios yet? Also, it looks like my washer needs a rinsing agent (using up my 7G liquid, leaves em' spotty). So I was thinking good old fashioned vinegar, does a great job on my windows.</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Dishwasher Detergent Strikes Again</strong></p><p>I love the Doc Bronner idea, yummy peppermint-hemp dishes!<br>
Has anyone experimented with water to soap ratios yet? Also, it looks like my washer needs a rinsing agent (using up my 7G liquid, leaves em' spotty). So I was thinking good old fashioned vinegar, does a great job on my windows.</br></p>
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