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            <title>Comment #1 by wiscidea</title>
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				<p><strong>Why</strong></p><p>Why did Ben and Jerry sell their business?</p><p>
How will progressives "take over" if businesses that are socially responsible and wildly successful inevitably allow companies like Unilever to seize their operations?</p><p>
The "right" likes to say the "left" cannot succeed in business. Is it because the "right" tends to buy all the successful businesses and the "left", like most human beings, cannot resist exchanging long-term influence for short-term gold?</p><p>
It does not bode well for social and economic progress.

<p>Forward!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Why</strong></p><p>Why did Ben and Jerry sell their business?</p><p>
How will progressives "take over" if businesses that are socially responsible and wildly successful inevitably allow companies like Unilever to seize their operations?</p><p>
The "right" likes to say the "left" cannot succeed in business. Is it because the "right" tends to buy all the successful businesses and the "left", like most human beings, cannot resist exchanging long-term influence for short-term gold?</p><p>
It does not bode well for social and economic progress.

<p>Forward!</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:03:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Tillamook<p><br>
I always buy Tillamook here in Kent, WA<p>
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It's "farmer owned"...and delicious...

<p>John Bailo<br>
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				<p><strong>Tillamook<p><br>
I always buy Tillamook here in Kent, WA<p>
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It's "farmer owned"...and delicious...

<p>John Bailo<br>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Pippin</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:46:42 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Tillamook</strong></p><p>Right! Tillamook! There's nothing like independent-farm-fresh high fructose corn syrup, artifical flavor, xanthan, guar, and carob bean gums, potassium sorbate and sodium benzoate, microcrystalline cellulose, cellulose gum, mono- and diglycerides, polysorbate 80, and carrageenan. (quoted from the French Vanilla ingredients posted on their website)</p><p>
I think I'll keep making my own.

<p>Pippin</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Tillamook</strong></p><p>Right! Tillamook! There's nothing like independent-farm-fresh high fructose corn syrup, artifical flavor, xanthan, guar, and carob bean gums, potassium sorbate and sodium benzoate, microcrystalline cellulose, cellulose gum, mono- and diglycerides, polysorbate 80, and carrageenan. (quoted from the French Vanilla ingredients posted on their website)</p><p>
I think I'll keep making my own.

<p>Pippin</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by meander</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:20:09 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Recipe error<p>The recipe looks delicious. &nbsp;But I think this line in the recipe has a typo: &nbsp;"In another bowl, whisk egg yolks until they hold stiff peaks."<p>
I'm guessing that you mean "whisk egg <b>whites until they hold stiff peaks", as it is rather uncommon to whisk whites with a large quantity of honey.<br>


<p>---
meander, a.k.a., Mental Masala at <a href="http://www.ethicurean.com" rel="nofollow">Ethicurean</a></p></br></b></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Recipe error<p>The recipe looks delicious. &nbsp;But I think this line in the recipe has a typo: &nbsp;"In another bowl, whisk egg yolks until they hold stiff peaks."<p>
I'm guessing that you mean "whisk egg <b>whites until they hold stiff peaks", as it is rather uncommon to whisk whites with a large quantity of honey.<br>


<p>---
meander, a.k.a., Mental Masala at <a href="http://www.ethicurean.com" rel="nofollow">Ethicurean</a></p></br></b></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by ffletcher</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:02:18 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>We May Have to Consider Municipal Food Products</strong></p><p>It may be time to consider a limited venture into food products by municipalities. &nbsp;Granted in cities like Burbank and Glendale California we have the resources to do an effective job in producing quality food products,as long as we focus on local needs and tastes and can do a substantiable development. &nbsp;It is worth consideration. &nbsp;But smaller municipalities in Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Vermont, Iowa, South Dakota, Nebraska, Wiscousin, and other states with strong municipal roots may want to consider such action in conjunction with their local farm organizations.</p><p>
BTW, Wonder Bread shut down in Glendale today. &nbsp;It may be a sign of the times. &nbsp;They blame the union, but they are big enough to overcome union issues, hell their bread sell for less than their competition.</p><p>
Any ideas of good food products you might consider be developed by your local city?</p>
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				<p><strong>We May Have to Consider Municipal Food Products</strong></p><p>It may be time to consider a limited venture into food products by municipalities. &nbsp;Granted in cities like Burbank and Glendale California we have the resources to do an effective job in producing quality food products,as long as we focus on local needs and tastes and can do a substantiable development. &nbsp;It is worth consideration. &nbsp;But smaller municipalities in Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Vermont, Iowa, South Dakota, Nebraska, Wiscousin, and other states with strong municipal roots may want to consider such action in conjunction with their local farm organizations.</p><p>
BTW, Wonder Bread shut down in Glendale today. &nbsp;It may be a sign of the times. &nbsp;They blame the union, but they are big enough to overcome union issues, hell their bread sell for less than their competition.</p><p>
Any ideas of good food products you might consider be developed by your local city?</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Tom Philpott</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:20:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Thanks, Meander<p>You're right; that should read &nbsp;"In another bowl, whisk egg <b>whites until they hold stiff peaks."<p>
For some reason, I can't fix the error now; I'll try to get it foxed soon. 

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				<p><strong>Thanks, Meander<p>You're right; that should read &nbsp;"In another bowl, whisk egg <b>whites until they hold stiff peaks."<p>
For some reason, I can't fix the error now; I'll try to get it foxed soon. 

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            <title>Comment #7 by askantik</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:33:53 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>And for us vegan people...<p>We aren't gonna be left out! &nbsp;Check out this lovely blog:<p>
<a href="http://veganicecream.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://veganicecream.blogspot.com/<p>
PS I've tried making ice cream with silken tofu. &nbsp;They always claim to be good, but mine always turned out disgusting. &nbsp;That's why I'm glad I found the Vegan Ice Cream Paradise blog. &nbsp;The base is soy creamer (Silk coffee creamer) and any non-dairy milk. &nbsp;They're easy to make.<p>
I recently made coconut ice cream (using coconut milk... mmm, fat!) and then added shredded coconut, chocolate chips, almond pieces, and used half chocolate soy milk. &nbsp;It was awesome-- like Almond Joy ice cream!</p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>And for us vegan people...<p>We aren't gonna be left out! &nbsp;Check out this lovely blog:<p>
<a href="http://veganicecream.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://veganicecream.blogspot.com/<p>
PS I've tried making ice cream with silken tofu. &nbsp;They always claim to be good, but mine always turned out disgusting. &nbsp;That's why I'm glad I found the Vegan Ice Cream Paradise blog. &nbsp;The base is soy creamer (Silk coffee creamer) and any non-dairy milk. &nbsp;They're easy to make.<p>
I recently made coconut ice cream (using coconut milk... mmm, fat!) and then added shredded coconut, chocolate chips, almond pieces, and used half chocolate soy milk. &nbsp;It was awesome-- like Almond Joy ice cream!</p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Roz Cummins</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:40:37 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>A fantastic new Ice Cream cookbook...<p>My friend Jeri Quinzio just published a wonderful book full of recipes for ice cream, grantias, sorbets, slush, frozen mousse, and sauces, including two recipes by yours truly. It's a great book and it contains a short history of ice cream. Jeri is an ice cream historian and her more comprehensive book on the history of ice cream should be published sometime in the near future. Meanwhile, check out her current offering:<p>
Ice Cream: The Ultimate Cold Comfort<br>
(<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ice-Cream-Ultimate-Cold-Comfort/dp/1883283361" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Ice-Cream-Ultimate-Cold-Comfort/dp/ ...)<p>
Also, I posted my grandmother's recipe for lemon ice cream with my own recipe for blackberry sauce on Grist last summer. I'll see if I can find the link. It's pretty damn good if I say so myself!</p></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>A fantastic new Ice Cream cookbook...<p>My friend Jeri Quinzio just published a wonderful book full of recipes for ice cream, grantias, sorbets, slush, frozen mousse, and sauces, including two recipes by yours truly. It's a great book and it contains a short history of ice cream. Jeri is an ice cream historian and her more comprehensive book on the history of ice cream should be published sometime in the near future. Meanwhile, check out her current offering:<p>
Ice Cream: The Ultimate Cold Comfort<br>
(<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ice-Cream-Ultimate-Cold-Comfort/dp/1883283361" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Ice-Cream-Ultimate-Cold-Comfort/dp/ ...)<p>
Also, I posted my grandmother's recipe for lemon ice cream with my own recipe for blackberry sauce on Grist last summer. I'll see if I can find the link. It's pretty damn good if I say so myself!</p></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Roz Cummins</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:46:55 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Here are the recipes<p>for lemon ice cream and warm blackberry sauce.<p>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/9/1/184315/2277" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/9/1/184315/2277</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Here are the recipes<p>for lemon ice cream and warm blackberry sauce.<p>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/9/1/184315/2277" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/9/1/184315/2277</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by Czar</title>
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				<p><strong>This happened 7 years ago</strong></p><p>Ben &amp; Jerry's was purchased by Unilever back in 2000 and it has not changed too much since. It has better distribution and a bigger sales force. There are more scoop shops that scoop their unbelievable flavors than ever.</p><p>
Unilever has for the most part had a hands off approach to Ben &amp; Jerry's. Ben and Jerry are still a part of the company, although without any specific responsibility. They visit Scoop Shops, vocalize on political and social issues and are frequently invited to do media appearances.</p><p>
Oh yeah, the ice cream has been Bovine Growth Hormone FREE for years and now uses cage free eggs as well. Viva la Cherry Garcia!</p><p>
..Czar</p>
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				<p><strong>This happened 7 years ago</strong></p><p>Ben &amp; Jerry's was purchased by Unilever back in 2000 and it has not changed too much since. It has better distribution and a bigger sales force. There are more scoop shops that scoop their unbelievable flavors than ever.</p><p>
Unilever has for the most part had a hands off approach to Ben &amp; Jerry's. Ben and Jerry are still a part of the company, although without any specific responsibility. They visit Scoop Shops, vocalize on political and social issues and are frequently invited to do media appearances.</p><p>
Oh yeah, the ice cream has been Bovine Growth Hormone FREE for years and now uses cage free eggs as well. Viva la Cherry Garcia!</p><p>
..Czar</p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by cmbryant1</title>
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				<p><strong>that's food science!</strong></p><p>YUM! not.</p><p>
Isn't it insane?! All this crap is added so that they can preserve it, make the ice crystals smaller, give it "mouthfeel" (some gums are used to replace fat), and all sorts of other wonderful qualities...</p><p>
And part of the reason for all this is so that it can be made in one location and then shipped all over the country without changing.</p><p>
We (consumers) control the marketplace ---- so, if we make informed choices, buy local, buy organic, buy from companies that take steps toward sustainability then we can make a difference!

<p>Cory</p></p>
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				<p><strong>that's food science!</strong></p><p>YUM! not.</p><p>
Isn't it insane?! All this crap is added so that they can preserve it, make the ice crystals smaller, give it "mouthfeel" (some gums are used to replace fat), and all sorts of other wonderful qualities...</p><p>
And part of the reason for all this is so that it can be made in one location and then shipped all over the country without changing.</p><p>
We (consumers) control the marketplace ---- so, if we make informed choices, buy local, buy organic, buy from companies that take steps toward sustainability then we can make a difference!

<p>Cory</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by gmunger</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:47:44 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>vote with your dollars<p>Right Cory. I buy my ice cream from <a href="http://www.bigdippericecream.com/" rel="nofollow">my neighbors. Their <a href="http://www.cgl.uwaterloo.ca/~smann/IceCream/l-business.html" rel="nofollow">"links" page provides web links to many smallish-to-regional ice cream purveyors (as well as the usual corporate suspects). Perhaps one of <b>your neighbors makes ice cream too!</b></a></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>vote with your dollars<p>Right Cory. I buy my ice cream from <a href="http://www.bigdippericecream.com/" rel="nofollow">my neighbors. Their <a href="http://www.cgl.uwaterloo.ca/~smann/IceCream/l-business.html" rel="nofollow">"links" page provides web links to many smallish-to-regional ice cream purveyors (as well as the usual corporate suspects). Perhaps one of <b>your neighbors makes ice cream too!</b></a></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by cmbryant1</title>
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				<p><strong>why?</strong></p><p>probably for the same reason that Kiehls sold out to Loreal, Powerbar sold to Nestle, Glaceau (Vitamin Water) sold to Pepsi (I think it was) --- because the almighty dollar speaks --- loudly... &nbsp;And because these companies put the pressure on. &nbsp;This is one of the main modes for growth --- aquisitions and mergers --- yuck! &nbsp;So, these small companies come out with a great product and then the big ones buy it, put their R&amp;D teams to work to "optimize" it (in other words screw it up with loads of additives and cheap ingredients).</p><p>
Even Whole Foods has to aquire (Wild Oats) to grow enough to keep the stock market happy --- ugghhh...

<p>Cory</p></p>
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				<p><strong>why?</strong></p><p>probably for the same reason that Kiehls sold out to Loreal, Powerbar sold to Nestle, Glaceau (Vitamin Water) sold to Pepsi (I think it was) --- because the almighty dollar speaks --- loudly... &nbsp;And because these companies put the pressure on. &nbsp;This is one of the main modes for growth --- aquisitions and mergers --- yuck! &nbsp;So, these small companies come out with a great product and then the big ones buy it, put their R&amp;D teams to work to "optimize" it (in other words screw it up with loads of additives and cheap ingredients).</p><p>
Even Whole Foods has to aquire (Wild Oats) to grow enough to keep the stock market happy --- ugghhh...

<p>Cory</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #14 by cmbryant1</title>
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				<p><strong>thanks gmunger!</strong></p><p>that's a great resource -- thank you!<br>
maybe I'll include it in my next Yogi Food Karma Alert...

<p>Cory</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>thanks gmunger!</strong></p><p>that's a great resource -- thank you!<br>
maybe I'll include it in my next Yogi Food Karma Alert...

<p>Cory</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #15 by cmbryant1</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:56:17 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>true that</strong></p><p>Yeah, in this case it seems that the parent company may be savvy enough to keep a good thing good. There is hope! &nbsp;;-)

<p>Cory</p></p>
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				<p><strong>true that</strong></p><p>Yeah, in this case it seems that the parent company may be savvy enough to keep a good thing good. There is hope! &nbsp;;-)

<p>Cory</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #16 by cmbryant1</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:58:11 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>the rise and fall of Wonder...</strong></p><p>Marketing success --- white bread sales are in the crapper -- and Twinkies aren't flying off the shelves (and thanks to the wonders of preservatives they'll last on the shelf for years to come!)...

<p>Cory</p></p>
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				<p><strong>the rise and fall of Wonder...</strong></p><p>Marketing success --- white bread sales are in the crapper -- and Twinkies aren't flying off the shelves (and thanks to the wonders of preservatives they'll last on the shelf for years to come!)...

<p>Cory</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #17 by bike2work</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:50:55 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Chilly Philly<p>For all those in the delaware valley...here is a great alternative to the ice cream bad guys. The vanilla malt chip is really good!<p>
<a href="http://www.chillyphilly.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.chillyphilly.com/<p>
Just a fan<br>
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				<p><strong>Chilly Philly<p>For all those in the delaware valley...here is a great alternative to the ice cream bad guys. The vanilla malt chip is really good!<p>
<a href="http://www.chillyphilly.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.chillyphilly.com/<p>
Just a fan<br>
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            <title>Comment #18 by blueberrysushi</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:04:28 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Dari Mart<p>So, there's this awesome company called <a href="http://www.darimart.com/" rel="nofollow">Dari Mart and they have mini marts around Eugene, Junction City, and Corvallis (OR) and they have the typical mini mart stuff plus they have locally-produced Lochmead ice cream and milk. The ice cream is awesome, and the milk is cheap and sold in containers that have a hefty deposit, so you bring them back and get your deposit and they're reused! The model of a mini mart that sells the best dairy products around is incredible. Lochmead is also available at local health food stores, but I love going to Dari Marts and picking up a six-pack and a gallon of local ice cream!</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Dari Mart<p>So, there's this awesome company called <a href="http://www.darimart.com/" rel="nofollow">Dari Mart and they have mini marts around Eugene, Junction City, and Corvallis (OR) and they have the typical mini mart stuff plus they have locally-produced Lochmead ice cream and milk. The ice cream is awesome, and the milk is cheap and sold in containers that have a hefty deposit, so you bring them back and get your deposit and they're reused! The model of a mini mart that sells the best dairy products around is incredible. Lochmead is also available at local health food stores, but I love going to Dari Marts and picking up a six-pack and a gallon of local ice cream!</a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #19 by pyewacket</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:14:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>More local ice cream<p>I love my ice cream maker, but I love going out for a cone just as much. If people are looking for local ice cream providers in the New England area, I have a list of farms that makes their own ice cream at the bottom of an article about the Great Brook Farm State Park ice cream stand in Massachusetts: <a href="http://www.newenglandgrown.com/pages/greatbrook.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>More local ice cream<p>I love my ice cream maker, but I love going out for a cone just as much. If people are looking for local ice cream providers in the New England area, I have a list of farms that makes their own ice cream at the bottom of an article about the Great Brook Farm State Park ice cream stand in Massachusetts: <a href="http://www.newenglandgrown.com/pages/greatbrook.html" rel="nofollow">here.</a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #20 by amc89</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:03:13 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Thanks for the vegan recipe askantik<p>I've also made the tofu ice cream recipe in the handy cookbook How It All Vegan. &nbsp;It was pretty good. &nbsp;<p>
For more info on how most dairy cows in this country are treated, visit: <a href="http://www.hsus.org/farm/resources/research/welfare/welfare_overview.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hsus.org/farm/resources/research/welfare/welfa ...<p>
"Dairy cows endure annual cycles of artificial insemination, mechanized milking for 10 out of 12 months(61) (including 7 months of their 9-month pregnancies), and giving birth. The cows are routinely given hormones to get the highest milk yield possible. According to Dr. John Webster, "The amount of work done by the [dairy] cow in peak lactation is immense. To achieve a comparable high work rate a human would have to jog for about 6 hours a day, every day."(62) This rigorous cycle overburdens the cows, who are considered "productive" for only two years(63) and are slaughtered when four years old.(64)"</p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Thanks for the vegan recipe askantik<p>I've also made the tofu ice cream recipe in the handy cookbook How It All Vegan. &nbsp;It was pretty good. &nbsp;<p>
For more info on how most dairy cows in this country are treated, visit: <a href="http://www.hsus.org/farm/resources/research/welfare/welfare_overview.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hsus.org/farm/resources/research/welfare/welfa ...<p>
"Dairy cows endure annual cycles of artificial insemination, mechanized milking for 10 out of 12 months(61) (including 7 months of their 9-month pregnancies), and giving birth. The cows are routinely given hormones to get the highest milk yield possible. According to Dr. John Webster, "The amount of work done by the [dairy] cow in peak lactation is immense. To achieve a comparable high work rate a human would have to jog for about 6 hours a day, every day."(62) This rigorous cycle overburdens the cows, who are considered "productive" for only two years(63) and are slaughtered when four years old.(64)"</p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #21 by daveK</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:36:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Ben &amp; Jerry's has changed!</strong></p><p>I just wanted to chime in here regarding the Ben &amp; Jerry's change of ownership - take a look at the ingredients list - it now includes water! &nbsp;You can't make good ice cream with water. &nbsp;Things like this happen when soap guys takeover making food.</p>
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				<p><strong>Ben &amp; Jerry's has changed!</strong></p><p>I just wanted to chime in here regarding the Ben &amp; Jerry's change of ownership - take a look at the ingredients list - it now includes water! &nbsp;You can't make good ice cream with water. &nbsp;Things like this happen when soap guys takeover making food.</p>
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            <title>Comment #22 by Tom Philpott</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:34:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Thanks, DaveK<p>Nor does this bit from the BusinessWeek piece inspire confidence in corporate Ben &amp; Jerry's:<p>
Dreyer's low-fat "Slow Churned" line, with 50% less fat and 30% fewer calories, has proved a runaway success, even forcing Unilever to roll out similar products under its Ben &amp; Jerry's marque.<p>
All that lowfat crap is full of adulterating chemicals to substitute for the "mouthfeel" of real ingredients. 

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				<p><strong>Thanks, DaveK<p>Nor does this bit from the BusinessWeek piece inspire confidence in corporate Ben &amp; Jerry's:<p>
Dreyer's low-fat "Slow Churned" line, with 50% less fat and 30% fewer calories, has proved a runaway success, even forcing Unilever to roll out similar products under its Ben &amp; Jerry's marque.<p>
All that lowfat crap is full of adulterating chemicals to substitute for the "mouthfeel" of real ingredients. 

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