<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for First commercial ship sails through Northwest Passage]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/i-didnt-see-one-cube-of-ice/ Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:09:36 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/i-didnt-see-one-cube-of-ice/1 Why Delay?

Who'd want to delay?

Book your cruise through the Passage now while berths are available!

Enjoy 12 hours of sunshine on the beaches of Siberia.    Or stay a while and buy your very own $12,000 Arctic Dacha!

So call now.  You can't deny these bargains any more!!

Texeme.Construct.Questioner

]]> Why Delay?

Who'd want to delay?

Book your cruise through the Passage now while berths are available!

Enjoy 12 hours of sunshine on the beaches of Siberia.    Or stay a while and buy your very own $12,000 Arctic Dacha!

So call now.  You can't deny these bargains any more!!

Texeme.Construct.Questioner

]]> Comment #2 by gzuckier http://www.grist.org/article/i-didnt-see-one-cube-of-ice/ Tue, 02 Dec 2008 05:02:30 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/i-didnt-see-one-cube-of-ice/2 oh noes!

Now Putin will be rearing his head into Alaska so he can sail down here! Save us Governor Sarah!

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Now Putin will be rearing his head into Alaska so he can sail down here! Save us Governor Sarah!

]]> Comment #3 by bluecon http://www.grist.org/article/i-didnt-see-one-cube-of-ice/ Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:47:25 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/i-didnt-see-one-cube-of-ice/3 Not the first time.

Amazing that the CBC would be so unaware of the facts.

From 1937

'Last week this new, shorter Northwest Passage's navigability was dramatically demonstrated as Hudson Bay Company's Eastern Arctic Patrol Nascopie sounded her way through Bellot Strait. Snow shrouded the Arctic dusk as head on through the haze came the bow of another ship. Nascopie's Captain Thomas Smellie's incredulous hail got a booming reply from veteran Arctic Trader Patsy Klingenberg, from the deck of the Schooner Aklavik, eastbound to Baffin Island, and astonished Eskimo cheers from both crews echoed through the rock-bound channel.'

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,770864-2 ...

The Southern route of the NW Passage was travelled every year by the HBC(Hudson Bay Company) in the 30's.

Gjoa Haven(1930) and Cambridge Bay(1929) pictures showing low ice level. A lot more info in that link.

http://www.kitikmeotheritage.ca/Angulalk/hudsons/hudsons. ...

Info on the little boat the Aklavik that made it through the NW Passage in 1937.

http://iain-cameron.blogspot.com/2007/07/test.html

Nascopie and Aklavik meet from East and West in 1937
The Nascopie commonly travelled through the passage in the 30's.
http://iain-cameron.blogspot.com/2007/07/aberdonians-arct ...

In 1944 Larsen took the St. Roch from Halifax to Vancouver in 86 days through the Parry Channel route.
http://www.ucalgary.ca/arcticexpedition/larsenexpeditions ...

The Arctic travelled the Parry channel route twice and could have travelled right out of the ice free McClure strait. This from 1908 to 1911.
http://www.ucalgary.ca/arcticexpedition/icebreakers/cgs-a ...

W.E. Parry travelled the length of the Parry Channel route and back in the early 1800's and McClure sailed right into the McClure strait from the West around 1850.

Then there is Amundsen and a lot more evidence.

This evidence is ignored by science, and it shows the conditions in the Arctic in the thirties were similar to today. And then in the late 40's the Arctic froze up and the HBC shut some of their posts due to the increased ice.





]]> Not the first time.

Amazing that the CBC would be so unaware of the facts.

From 1937

'Last week this new, shorter Northwest Passage's navigability was dramatically demonstrated as Hudson Bay Company's Eastern Arctic Patrol Nascopie sounded her way through Bellot Strait. Snow shrouded the Arctic dusk as head on through the haze came the bow of another ship. Nascopie's Captain Thomas Smellie's incredulous hail got a booming reply from veteran Arctic Trader Patsy Klingenberg, from the deck of the Schooner Aklavik, eastbound to Baffin Island, and astonished Eskimo cheers from both crews echoed through the rock-bound channel.'

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,770864-2 ...

The Southern route of the NW Passage was travelled every year by the HBC(Hudson Bay Company) in the 30's.

Gjoa Haven(1930) and Cambridge Bay(1929) pictures showing low ice level. A lot more info in that link.

http://www.kitikmeotheritage.ca/Angulalk/hudsons/hudsons. ...

Info on the little boat the Aklavik that made it through the NW Passage in 1937.

http://iain-cameron.blogspot.com/2007/07/test.html

Nascopie and Aklavik meet from East and West in 1937
The Nascopie commonly travelled through the passage in the 30's.
http://iain-cameron.blogspot.com/2007/07/aberdonians-arct ...

In 1944 Larsen took the St. Roch from Halifax to Vancouver in 86 days through the Parry Channel route.
http://www.ucalgary.ca/arcticexpedition/larsenexpeditions ...

The Arctic travelled the Parry channel route twice and could have travelled right out of the ice free McClure strait. This from 1908 to 1911.
http://www.ucalgary.ca/arcticexpedition/icebreakers/cgs-a ...

W.E. Parry travelled the length of the Parry Channel route and back in the early 1800's and McClure sailed right into the McClure strait from the West around 1850.

Then there is Amundsen and a lot more evidence.

This evidence is ignored by science, and it shows the conditions in the Arctic in the thirties were similar to today. And then in the late 40's the Arctic froze up and the HBC shut some of their posts due to the increased ice.





]]> Comment #4 by iskander http://www.grist.org/article/i-didnt-see-one-cube-of-ice/ Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:08:05 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/i-didnt-see-one-cube-of-ice/4 I agree Bluecon

A very biased report indeed. A quick search on google yeilds the below; and there are more.

1903-06 - Roald Amundsen, in the Gjoa, makes the first full transit of the Northwest Passage from east to west.

1944 - The St. Roch, an RCMP schooner, makes the first west-to-east passage. It returns west and becomes the first to make the return journey in one season .

1969 - The Manhattan, the largest ship to navigate the Northwest Passage, leads a special experiment to see if the transport of bulk oil from Alaska would be feasible through the Passage.

1975 - R. Dickinson and K. Maro, in the Pandora II and the Theta, make a west-to-east transit.

1976-78 - R. Bouvier, in the J. E. Bernier II, a ketch, makes an east-to-west transit.

1977 - W. De Roos, in the Williwaw, a Dutch 42-foot (13-m) ketch, makes the first single handed passage from east to west.

1980 - Pandora II, a hydrographic research vessel, makes a transit from west to east.

1981-83 - Japanese sloop Mermaid, makes an east-to-west transit.

1983-88 - French vessel, The Vagabond II, makes a west-to-east transit.

U.S. motor yacht Belvedere, makes a west-to-east transit.

1984 - Lindblad Explorer, the first commercial passenger vessel to make a transit from east-to-west.

1985 - Commercial passenger ship `World Discoverer', makes a west-to-east transit.

1988 - MV Society Explorer, a Bahamas-registered passenger ship, makes a west-to-east transit.

]]> I agree Bluecon

A very biased report indeed. A quick search on google yeilds the below; and there are more.

1903-06 - Roald Amundsen, in the Gjoa, makes the first full transit of the Northwest Passage from east to west.

1944 - The St. Roch, an RCMP schooner, makes the first west-to-east passage. It returns west and becomes the first to make the return journey in one season .

1969 - The Manhattan, the largest ship to navigate the Northwest Passage, leads a special experiment to see if the transport of bulk oil from Alaska would be feasible through the Passage.

1975 - R. Dickinson and K. Maro, in the Pandora II and the Theta, make a west-to-east transit.

1976-78 - R. Bouvier, in the J. E. Bernier II, a ketch, makes an east-to-west transit.

1977 - W. De Roos, in the Williwaw, a Dutch 42-foot (13-m) ketch, makes the first single handed passage from east to west.

1980 - Pandora II, a hydrographic research vessel, makes a transit from west to east.

1981-83 - Japanese sloop Mermaid, makes an east-to-west transit.

1983-88 - French vessel, The Vagabond II, makes a west-to-east transit.

U.S. motor yacht Belvedere, makes a west-to-east transit.

1984 - Lindblad Explorer, the first commercial passenger vessel to make a transit from east-to-west.

1985 - Commercial passenger ship `World Discoverer', makes a west-to-east transit.

1988 - MV Society Explorer, a Bahamas-registered passenger ship, makes a west-to-east transit.

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