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            <title>Comment #1 by amazingdrx</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/hulk-smash-inefficiency/</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 01:44:01 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Wow 48%</strong></p><p>I have been using the 36% figure for percentage of GHG from building heating/cooling, the 48% firgure &nbsp;must be for lighting, water heating, cooking as well?</p><p>
76% of electricity? &nbsp;Incredible.</p><p>
To me it's very good news, since the combination of solar cogeneration (heat+electricty from the same solar panels) and geo heat exchange heating/cooling could affordably eliminate that 48% and 76%. &nbsp;Plus yield extra power for the grid.</p><p>
Go Ed. &nbsp;Maybe Brad and Ed could reprise their revolutionary duo in "Fight Club"? &nbsp;But non-violently this time. &nbsp;To sponsor a green building competition to come up with a cogeneration/geo heat exchange home as a building block for a distributed smart grid.</p><p>
Buildings like this can feature energy storage as well as conservation (geo heat) and cogeneration. &nbsp;By storing heat/cold in building mass and extra heat storage solutions.</p><p>
That storage is enough to smooth out the power flow from a completely solar, wind, water, and biogas powered grid. &nbsp;

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Wow 48%</strong></p><p>I have been using the 36% figure for percentage of GHG from building heating/cooling, the 48% firgure &nbsp;must be for lighting, water heating, cooking as well?</p><p>
76% of electricity? &nbsp;Incredible.</p><p>
To me it's very good news, since the combination of solar cogeneration (heat+electricty from the same solar panels) and geo heat exchange heating/cooling could affordably eliminate that 48% and 76%. &nbsp;Plus yield extra power for the grid.</p><p>
Go Ed. &nbsp;Maybe Brad and Ed could reprise their revolutionary duo in "Fight Club"? &nbsp;But non-violently this time. &nbsp;To sponsor a green building competition to come up with a cogeneration/geo heat exchange home as a building block for a distributed smart grid.</p><p>
Buildings like this can feature energy storage as well as conservation (geo heat) and cogeneration. &nbsp;By storing heat/cold in building mass and extra heat storage solutions.</p><p>
That storage is enough to smooth out the power flow from a completely solar, wind, water, and biogas powered grid. &nbsp;

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by solarwind</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/hulk-smash-inefficiency/</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 11:25:22 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>statistics are making my head spin</strong></p><p>i had initially heard that buildings were 48% of U.S. total ENERGY consumption...it was on Architecture 2030's website, if i remember correctly...although I could be mistaken, since I've also heard the 33-36% of total ENERGY consumption figure as well to confuse me. &nbsp;All the statistics start to blend together after a while, no? &nbsp;:) &nbsp;And 76% sounds extremely high to me as well. &nbsp;I'd love to find out the source behind these numbers so I can confirm the values and be done with it.</p><p>
Also, I want to comment that although less glamorous, retro-fitting old buildings is a much more important issue than new buildings. &nbsp;This is due to the sheer quanitity of existing buildings (something near 80% of the buildings in the world in 2050 will be the buildings currently built). &nbsp;So, as you can see, if we only concentrate on new construction, it'll only comprise 20% of the 2050 buildings sector and won't make near the carbon/energy reductions aggressive retrofitting would make...Both are great though! &nbsp;Now we just need policy to force us to do so (wish we as a society could do things w/o having to be forced into it, but unfortunately it's not so)!</p>
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				<p><strong>statistics are making my head spin</strong></p><p>i had initially heard that buildings were 48% of U.S. total ENERGY consumption...it was on Architecture 2030's website, if i remember correctly...although I could be mistaken, since I've also heard the 33-36% of total ENERGY consumption figure as well to confuse me. &nbsp;All the statistics start to blend together after a while, no? &nbsp;:) &nbsp;And 76% sounds extremely high to me as well. &nbsp;I'd love to find out the source behind these numbers so I can confirm the values and be done with it.</p><p>
Also, I want to comment that although less glamorous, retro-fitting old buildings is a much more important issue than new buildings. &nbsp;This is due to the sheer quanitity of existing buildings (something near 80% of the buildings in the world in 2050 will be the buildings currently built). &nbsp;So, as you can see, if we only concentrate on new construction, it'll only comprise 20% of the 2050 buildings sector and won't make near the carbon/energy reductions aggressive retrofitting would make...Both are great though! &nbsp;Now we just need policy to force us to do so (wish we as a society could do things w/o having to be forced into it, but unfortunately it's not so)!</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Nucbuddy</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:37:38 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Making a famine where abundance lies<p><b>Solarwind wrote: retro-fitting old buildings is a much more important issue than new buildings.<p>
Demolishing old buildings is <a href="http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Articles/SHAKESPE.txt" rel="nofollow">not difficult.<br>
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				<p><strong>Making a famine where abundance lies<p><b>Solarwind wrote: retro-fitting old buildings is a much more important issue than new buildings.<p>
Demolishing old buildings is <a href="http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Articles/SHAKESPE.txt" rel="nofollow">not difficult.<br>
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            <title>Comment #4 by amazingdrx</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/hulk-smash-inefficiency/</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 14:21:38 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Local news</strong></p><p>The local news here had a feature on geo heat exchange heating/cooling saying it could save thousands in energy costs per year.</p><p>
It showed the outdoor pipe loops being buried in trenches and the inside installation, it looked like a typical furnace.</p><p>
Mass production will bring the price down. &nbsp;And of course a per kwh saved subsidy would help consumers pay for these systems. &nbsp;they directly replace fuel oil and natural gas heating and very energy expensive electric air conditioners.</p><p>
by offering subsidies, taken away from fossil fuel industries, mass production would ramp up very quickly. &nbsp;Stimulating the economy with savings. &nbsp;And cutting down on oil and gas use.</p><p>
Not sure about the percentages, but if lighting, cooking, computers, tvs, appliances, water heating, refrigeration, and so forth are all added onto heating/cooling, that extra percentage makes sense.</p><p>
48% of GHG and 76% of electricity saved by solar cogeneration and geo heat exchange. &nbsp;That would be sweet. &nbsp;<br>


<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Local news</strong></p><p>The local news here had a feature on geo heat exchange heating/cooling saying it could save thousands in energy costs per year.</p><p>
It showed the outdoor pipe loops being buried in trenches and the inside installation, it looked like a typical furnace.</p><p>
Mass production will bring the price down. &nbsp;And of course a per kwh saved subsidy would help consumers pay for these systems. &nbsp;they directly replace fuel oil and natural gas heating and very energy expensive electric air conditioners.</p><p>
by offering subsidies, taken away from fossil fuel industries, mass production would ramp up very quickly. &nbsp;Stimulating the economy with savings. &nbsp;And cutting down on oil and gas use.</p><p>
Not sure about the percentages, but if lighting, cooking, computers, tvs, appliances, water heating, refrigeration, and so forth are all added onto heating/cooling, that extra percentage makes sense.</p><p>
48% of GHG and 76% of electricity saved by solar cogeneration and geo heat exchange. &nbsp;That would be sweet. &nbsp;<br>


<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></br></p>
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