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            <title>Comment #1 by Biomusicologist</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/hot-flat-crowded-and-clean/</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:58:54 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>How many more Friedman Units must pass...?</strong></p><p><br>
....before this idiotic blowhard goes away?</p><p>
Please Grist....spare us. I discontinued my subscription to the NYT because I couldn't stomach supporting the likes of David Brooks, Bill Kristol, and "another six months" Friedman. Now must I unsubscribe to the Daily Grist in order to avoid Friedman's ugly mug? </br></p>
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				<p><strong>How many more Friedman Units must pass...?</strong></p><p><br>
....before this idiotic blowhard goes away?</p><p>
Please Grist....spare us. I discontinued my subscription to the NYT because I couldn't stomach supporting the likes of David Brooks, Bill Kristol, and "another six months" Friedman. Now must I unsubscribe to the Daily Grist in order to avoid Friedman's ugly mug? </br></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by christophersj</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:24:05 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Biomusicologist</strong></p><p>Biomusicologist, 2004 called and they want their whiner back.</p><p>
Say what you will about his Iraq columns in the beginning of the war, Friedman has gone way, way out of his way to bring an understanding of the environment and global warming to the masses. &nbsp;Many of these masses wouldn't give you or I the time of day.</p><p>
Freidman is an ally who has the ear of those you do not.</p><p>
You can poo-poo the resources of Friedman, Wal-Mart, and other easy targets (I have problems with them to), but we have to recognize where the heavy tools are for turning the rock of our society over. &nbsp;Go ahead, stay a purist, see how how much impact it has on your Hummer owning neighbors down the street.</p>
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				<p><strong>Biomusicologist</strong></p><p>Biomusicologist, 2004 called and they want their whiner back.</p><p>
Say what you will about his Iraq columns in the beginning of the war, Friedman has gone way, way out of his way to bring an understanding of the environment and global warming to the masses. &nbsp;Many of these masses wouldn't give you or I the time of day.</p><p>
Freidman is an ally who has the ear of those you do not.</p><p>
You can poo-poo the resources of Friedman, Wal-Mart, and other easy targets (I have problems with them to), but we have to recognize where the heavy tools are for turning the rock of our society over. &nbsp;Go ahead, stay a purist, see how how much impact it has on your Hummer owning neighbors down the street.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Biodiversivist</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/hot-flat-crowded-and-clean/</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:10:58 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I just had an epiphany<p>Essentially, when you allow illegal immigrants, or "guest workers" to build stuff, you have outsourced. Certainly, many of the oil states outsource the building of much of their infrastructure. It could happen here as well if our politicians are not on top of it.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>I just had an epiphany<p>Essentially, when you allow illegal immigrants, or "guest workers" to build stuff, you have outsourced. Certainly, many of the oil states outsource the building of much of their infrastructure. It could happen here as well if our politicians are not on top of it.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:35:23 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Use the force Tom.</strong></p><p>'...it's about national power -- not power so we can stomp all over the rest of the world, but power so we can actually be where we need to be as a country, to lead the world they way we need to lead the world and also to pass on what we need to pass on for the next generation."'</p><p>
Use the powerful leverage of oil demand reduction, relentlessly proceeding incrementally a few percent per year, year after year, there's the power to revive our national confidence. &nbsp;Our factories supplying the plugin hybrid cars and energy devices to do that.</p><p>
Win the GHG climate change battle and get the economy out of the duuuhbya ditch, the way we won WW II. &nbsp;Production: government contracts specifying the technological parameters of plugin hybrids, solar cogeneration panels, ground source heating/cooling systems, and smart grid devices to hook it all up. &nbsp;</p><p>
Contracts for millions of these devices every year, payed for by withdrawing subsidies for the oil and coal industries.</p><p>
That'll end a depression. &nbsp;Better than a bail out or stimulus, it is revenue neutral. &nbsp;No new debt!<br>


<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin </p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Use the force Tom.</strong></p><p>'...it's about national power -- not power so we can stomp all over the rest of the world, but power so we can actually be where we need to be as a country, to lead the world they way we need to lead the world and also to pass on what we need to pass on for the next generation."'</p><p>
Use the powerful leverage of oil demand reduction, relentlessly proceeding incrementally a few percent per year, year after year, there's the power to revive our national confidence. &nbsp;Our factories supplying the plugin hybrid cars and energy devices to do that.</p><p>
Win the GHG climate change battle and get the economy out of the duuuhbya ditch, the way we won WW II. &nbsp;Production: government contracts specifying the technological parameters of plugin hybrids, solar cogeneration panels, ground source heating/cooling systems, and smart grid devices to hook it all up. &nbsp;</p><p>
Contracts for millions of these devices every year, payed for by withdrawing subsidies for the oil and coal industries.</p><p>
That'll end a depression. &nbsp;Better than a bail out or stimulus, it is revenue neutral. &nbsp;No new debt!<br>


<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin </p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by christophersj</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:21:38 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>By the way Grist</strong></p><p>By the way Grist. &nbsp;If you are open to advice on your video and audio quality in the above video, I would be happy to help. &nbsp;Drop me a line.</p><p>
-Christopher</p>
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				<p><strong>By the way Grist</strong></p><p>By the way Grist. &nbsp;If you are open to advice on your video and audio quality in the above video, I would be happy to help. &nbsp;Drop me a line.</p><p>
-Christopher</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by David Roberts</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:32:15 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Christopher,<p>Lemme guess -- advice #1 is "spend more than <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Flip-Video-Camcorder-60-Minutes-Black/dp/B000ONDRFS" rel="nofollow">$99 on a video camera."

<p>grist.org</p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Christopher,<p>Lemme guess -- advice #1 is "spend more than <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Flip-Video-Camcorder-60-Minutes-Black/dp/B000ONDRFS" rel="nofollow">$99 on a video camera."

<p>grist.org</p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Biomusicologist</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:51:20 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Ally?</strong></p><p>Yeah sure....try telling someone living under a pile of depleted uranium, amidst gigantic oil spills or a bombed out crater in Iraq that Friedman is a great "ally." &nbsp;</p><p>
It isn't just about his columns at the beginning of the war -- he's supported raining bombs on peoples heads throughout. And I doubt he has any "impact" on my Hummer owning neighbors either. Nothing has an impact on those people other than high gas prices.</p><p>
He's a moron. His columns would be laughable if they weren't so pathetic and tired. </p><p>
If the goal is to turn over the "heavy rock" of society, then Friedman is certainly not the right tool for the job. He's just a tool...period.</p>
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				<p><strong>Ally?</strong></p><p>Yeah sure....try telling someone living under a pile of depleted uranium, amidst gigantic oil spills or a bombed out crater in Iraq that Friedman is a great "ally." &nbsp;</p><p>
It isn't just about his columns at the beginning of the war -- he's supported raining bombs on peoples heads throughout. And I doubt he has any "impact" on my Hummer owning neighbors either. Nothing has an impact on those people other than high gas prices.</p><p>
He's a moron. His columns would be laughable if they weren't so pathetic and tired. </p><p>
If the goal is to turn over the "heavy rock" of society, then Friedman is certainly not the right tool for the job. He's just a tool...period.</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by christophersj</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:08:56 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>David Roberts,</strong></p><p><br>
Lemme guess -- advice #1 is "spend more than $99 on a video camera."<br>
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Uh, heh, yeah, that would be the first. &nbsp;And then we would move on to other things with lighting, sound, and composition.</p><p>
Hey, we all start somewhere, but practice makes perfect and I want to see Grist shine.</p><p>
I'm a documentary editor and would love to help if you guys need it.</br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>David Roberts,</strong></p><p><br>
Lemme guess -- advice #1 is "spend more than $99 on a video camera."<br>
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Uh, heh, yeah, that would be the first. &nbsp;And then we would move on to other things with lighting, sound, and composition.</p><p>
Hey, we all start somewhere, but practice makes perfect and I want to see Grist shine.</p><p>
I'm a documentary editor and would love to help if you guys need it.</br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by christophersj</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:19:40 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Biomusicologist,</strong></p><p>I am highly confident that you are right about the war being a disaster, and even more so that you are wrong about Friedman's ability to have a positive impact on America's transition to renewables, especially with business-types and green-hawks.</p><p>
Its already happening. &nbsp;You don't have to like it, though.</p><p>
Did you really think this transition would happen with just us peaceniks at the wheel?</p><p>
Speed is paramount and its time to use the "tools" at hand. &nbsp;I hung up my chastity belt a couple of years ago. &nbsp;</p><p>
Now my conservative relatives have more than 50%-70% of their homes running on CFLs which they purchased from Wal-Mart. &nbsp;Wal-Mart and I did that TOGETHER.</p>
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				<p><strong>Biomusicologist,</strong></p><p>I am highly confident that you are right about the war being a disaster, and even more so that you are wrong about Friedman's ability to have a positive impact on America's transition to renewables, especially with business-types and green-hawks.</p><p>
Its already happening. &nbsp;You don't have to like it, though.</p><p>
Did you really think this transition would happen with just us peaceniks at the wheel?</p><p>
Speed is paramount and its time to use the "tools" at hand. &nbsp;I hung up my chastity belt a couple of years ago. &nbsp;</p><p>
Now my conservative relatives have more than 50%-70% of their homes running on CFLs which they purchased from Wal-Mart. &nbsp;Wal-Mart and I did that TOGETHER.</p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:25:06 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Way cool DR</strong></p><p>That camera looks great. &nbsp;Plugs into your laptop and has video editing software? &nbsp;Yow.</p><p>
The main thing, other than quality, is to review reruns from the TV classic, the first eco-sitcom, "Green Acers". &nbsp;The eposide in which Farmer Douglass' farm is recruited for an agriculture department film, specifically.</p><p>
In preparing for his role, Douglass attends the "Haney School of Acting". &nbsp;Substituting for a movie camera was a box with a tomato can simulating the lens end.</p><p>
Rule number one: &nbsp;Do not look into the tomato can.</p><p>
Rule number 2: &nbsp;Under act.</p><p>
This is all one needs to know. &nbsp;Hehey.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin </p></p>
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				<p><strong>Way cool DR</strong></p><p>That camera looks great. &nbsp;Plugs into your laptop and has video editing software? &nbsp;Yow.</p><p>
The main thing, other than quality, is to review reruns from the TV classic, the first eco-sitcom, "Green Acers". &nbsp;The eposide in which Farmer Douglass' farm is recruited for an agriculture department film, specifically.</p><p>
In preparing for his role, Douglass attends the "Haney School of Acting". &nbsp;Substituting for a movie camera was a box with a tomato can simulating the lens end.</p><p>
Rule number one: &nbsp;Do not look into the tomato can.</p><p>
Rule number 2: &nbsp;Under act.</p><p>
This is all one needs to know. &nbsp;Hehey.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin </p></p>
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