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            <title>Comment #1 by Sam Wells</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:51:53 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Wow thanks Andrew</strong></p><p>I didn't know you were a "stratospheric dude" but that's remarkable and I look forward to reading the article in detail. &nbsp;It's rather like finding hydroxyl and odd-nitrogen having a great force in tropospheric ozone and aerosol production. &nbsp;</p><p>
And yes, I was just writing about a horrible local newspaper editorial that called global warming "hype." &nbsp;By nature, scientists are skeptics and are always open to new explanations; the dumb arguments presented in the newspaper (lack of Kyoto reductions, some places cooler, models equated with "muddles") did not invalidate the climate change paradigm in the least. &nbsp;I spanked 'em pretty darn tootin' good!</p><p>
We need more of that spirit around here. /sam

<p>Onward through the fog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Wow thanks Andrew</strong></p><p>I didn't know you were a "stratospheric dude" but that's remarkable and I look forward to reading the article in detail. &nbsp;It's rather like finding hydroxyl and odd-nitrogen having a great force in tropospheric ozone and aerosol production. &nbsp;</p><p>
And yes, I was just writing about a horrible local newspaper editorial that called global warming "hype." &nbsp;By nature, scientists are skeptics and are always open to new explanations; the dumb arguments presented in the newspaper (lack of Kyoto reductions, some places cooler, models equated with "muddles") did not invalidate the climate change paradigm in the least. &nbsp;I spanked 'em pretty darn tootin' good!</p><p>
We need more of that spirit around here. /sam

<p>Onward through the fog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:11:58 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>It's Not  Bald Spot, It's a Solar Panel...<p><br>
Maybe the ozone hole is letting in more sunlight and causing global warming?

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://sutext.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">Sutext:</a></br></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>It's Not  Bald Spot, It's a Solar Panel...<p><br>
Maybe the ozone hole is letting in more sunlight and causing global warming?

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://sutext.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">Sutext:</a></br></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by boyd</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:40:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>new lab measurements</strong></p><p>Andrew,<br>
You said that you doubt the new lab measurements because everything fit together so well with the old measurements. But why do you say this? I read the Nature article and it said that the new measurements were significantly better than the old ones because the group that did the study came up with a method for making Cl2O2 that resulted in higher purity.<br>
Is there a problem with the group that did the work?<br>
&nbsp;- Boyd</br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>new lab measurements</strong></p><p>Andrew,<br>
You said that you doubt the new lab measurements because everything fit together so well with the old measurements. But why do you say this? I read the Nature article and it said that the new measurements were significantly better than the old ones because the group that did the study came up with a method for making Cl2O2 that resulted in higher purity.<br>
Is there a problem with the group that did the work?<br>
&nbsp;- Boyd</br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Andrew Dessler</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:56:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Good question</strong></p><p>Boyd-</p><p>
About 13 years ago, this same group claimed that chlorine nitrate had a strongly pressure-dependent photolysis rate. &nbsp;That was a similarly remarkable result, but it turned out to be wrong. &nbsp;When I heard about this result, the first thing I thought about was "pressure-dependent chlorine nitrate photolysis". &nbsp;Make no mistake: this measurement may turn out to be right. &nbsp;But as I said above, replication is the cornerstone of science. &nbsp;I'll believe this result when it gets replicated!</p>
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				<p><strong>Good question</strong></p><p>Boyd-</p><p>
About 13 years ago, this same group claimed that chlorine nitrate had a strongly pressure-dependent photolysis rate. &nbsp;That was a similarly remarkable result, but it turned out to be wrong. &nbsp;When I heard about this result, the first thing I thought about was "pressure-dependent chlorine nitrate photolysis". &nbsp;Make no mistake: this measurement may turn out to be right. &nbsp;But as I said above, replication is the cornerstone of science. &nbsp;I'll believe this result when it gets replicated!</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by David Roberts</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:49:21 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Reading my mind</strong></p><p>When I heard about this result, the first thing I thought about was "pressure-dependent chlorine nitrate photolysis".</p><p>
You too?

<p>grist.org</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Reading my mind</strong></p><p>When I heard about this result, the first thing I thought about was "pressure-dependent chlorine nitrate photolysis".</p><p>
You too?

<p>grist.org</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Sam Wells</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:01:17 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>A woody?</strong></p><p>LOL.

<p>Onward through the fog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>A woody?</strong></p><p>LOL.

<p>Onward through the fog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by EliRabett</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 04:54:21 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Among other things</strong></p><p>Having been disappointed in some other things coming out of Sander's lab, I was ready to be extremely skeptical, but the paper was very good. &nbsp;That being said there could also be some very strange things happening in the system (there are three isomers of which ClOOCl is the lowest lying) and surface chemistry on the PSCs could play an important role interconverting one to the other. </p>
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				<p><strong>Among other things</strong></p><p>Having been disappointed in some other things coming out of Sander's lab, I was ready to be extremely skeptical, but the paper was very good. &nbsp;That being said there could also be some very strange things happening in the system (there are three isomers of which ClOOCl is the lowest lying) and surface chemistry on the PSCs could play an important role interconverting one to the other. </p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by boyd</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:10:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>question for Eli</strong></p><p>"Having been disappointed in some other things coming out of Sander's lab ..."</p><p>
Such as ?</p><p>
"That being said there could also be some very strange things happening in the system (there are three isomers of which ClOOCl is the lowest lying) and surface chemistry on the PSCs could play an important role interconverting one to the other."</p><p>
How would the other isomers result in ozone loss?</p><p>
- Boyd</p>
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				<p><strong>question for Eli</strong></p><p>"Having been disappointed in some other things coming out of Sander's lab ..."</p><p>
Such as ?</p><p>
"That being said there could also be some very strange things happening in the system (there are three isomers of which ClOOCl is the lowest lying) and surface chemistry on the PSCs could play an important role interconverting one to the other."</p><p>
How would the other isomers result in ozone loss?</p><p>
- Boyd</p>
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