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            <title>Comment #1 by Zarkov</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 09:25:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Truth or Dare</strong></p><p>You know that is all conjecture drawn from the past, which BTW has nothing to do with the present climatic situation.</p><p>
&gt;&gt; On a planet with unchecked greenhouse warming &gt;&gt;</p><p>
Life world be WET, life would be WARM, it would be all GOOD</p><p>
BUT we are not living on a planet that has a greenhouse effect.</p><p>
We are living on a planet that has a layer of UNATURAL OIL on its skin and that is preventing water evaporation.</p><p>
Totally different... the double speak propaganda warming is just fine if it were true<br>
but the oiled skin is FATAL:.</p><p>
One is total BS the other is TRUTH</p><p>
Which do you chose?</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Truth or Dare</strong></p><p>You know that is all conjecture drawn from the past, which BTW has nothing to do with the present climatic situation.</p><p>
&gt;&gt; On a planet with unchecked greenhouse warming &gt;&gt;</p><p>
Life world be WET, life would be WARM, it would be all GOOD</p><p>
BUT we are not living on a planet that has a greenhouse effect.</p><p>
We are living on a planet that has a layer of UNATURAL OIL on its skin and that is preventing water evaporation.</p><p>
Totally different... the double speak propaganda warming is just fine if it were true<br>
but the oiled skin is FATAL:.</p><p>
One is total BS the other is TRUTH</p><p>
Which do you chose?</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 09:48:15 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Uhm...<p>Uhm. The greenhouse effect is real.<br>
Even the most arguementative scientific skeptics agree to this.<p>
_<p>
But in general the real contentions are issues like.<p>
1. It was warmer than now in the medieval warm period, infact it was fantastic and they had uber grapes and vikings. &nbsp;It was so awesome, warming rocks!<p>
FALSE<p>
<a href="http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Image:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison_png" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Image:2000_Year_Temp ...<br>
<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/2006-07-10-global-warming-wine_x.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/2006-07-10-global ...<br>
<a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/11/english-vineyards-again/" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/11/eng ...<p>
2. If there was any warming, ever, that wasn't caused by CO2. &nbsp;Then it's impossible to CO2 to ever have any effect, ever. &nbsp;Since there's only room enough for <strong>one variable in my understanding of climate! &nbsp;Anymore, and my mind will asplode!<p>
FALSE<p>
<a href="http://www.greyfalcon.net/solar.png" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.greyfalcon.net/solar.png<p>
3. It's increased solar radiation from the Sun. &nbsp;It's so obvious! &nbsp;<p>
FALSE<p>
<a href="http://www.greyfalcon.net/solar.png" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.greyfalcon.net/solar.png<p>
4. The Troposphere is cooling, therefore greenhouse gases aren't warming the planet.<p>
FALSE<p>
<a href="http://www.greyfalcon.net/forcing2.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.greyfalcon.net/forcing2.png<br>
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				<p><strong>Uhm...<p>Uhm. The greenhouse effect is real.<br>
Even the most arguementative scientific skeptics agree to this.<p>
_<p>
But in general the real contentions are issues like.<p>
1. It was warmer than now in the medieval warm period, infact it was fantastic and they had uber grapes and vikings. &nbsp;It was so awesome, warming rocks!<p>
FALSE<p>
<a href="http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Image:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison_png" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Image:2000_Year_Temp ...<br>
<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/2006-07-10-global-warming-wine_x.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/2006-07-10-global ...<br>
<a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/11/english-vineyards-again/" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/11/eng ...<p>
2. If there was any warming, ever, that wasn't caused by CO2. &nbsp;Then it's impossible to CO2 to ever have any effect, ever. &nbsp;Since there's only room enough for <strong>one variable in my understanding of climate! &nbsp;Anymore, and my mind will asplode!<p>
FALSE<p>
<a href="http://www.greyfalcon.net/solar.png" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.greyfalcon.net/solar.png<p>
3. It's increased solar radiation from the Sun. &nbsp;It's so obvious! &nbsp;<p>
FALSE<p>
<a href="http://www.greyfalcon.net/solar.png" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.greyfalcon.net/solar.png<p>
4. The Troposphere is cooling, therefore greenhouse gases aren't warming the planet.<p>
FALSE<p>
<a href="http://www.greyfalcon.net/forcing2.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.greyfalcon.net/forcing2.png<br>
<a href="http://www.greyfalcon.net/forcing.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.greyfalcon.net/forcing.png</a></br></a></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p></a></br></a></br></a></p></p></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Gar Lipow</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 09:58:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Trolls</strong></p><p>GreyFicn, how do I put this delicately? Zarkoff stars in his own private soap opera, avoiding the documentary we call reality. You may want to consider this in prioritizing whose comments you reply to.</p>
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				<p><strong>Trolls</strong></p><p>GreyFicn, how do I put this delicately? Zarkoff stars in his own private soap opera, avoiding the documentary we call reality. You may want to consider this in prioritizing whose comments you reply to.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 10:02:10 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Heh<p>Lol, <br>
Well I didn't just whip all that stuff up for Zarkov.<p>
I'm gearing up to make a Youtube reply to Swindle.<p>
Well, atleast one thats a bit more scientific than my last one.<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0qlXDkRKxE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0qlXDkRKxE</a></br></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Heh<p>Lol, <br>
Well I didn't just whip all that stuff up for Zarkov.<p>
I'm gearing up to make a Youtube reply to Swindle.<p>
Well, atleast one thats a bit more scientific than my last one.<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0qlXDkRKxE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0qlXDkRKxE</a></br></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 10:45:40 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Sweden?<p>You use Sweden as your example of what to do post-Global Warming. &nbsp;Like, isn't Sweden cold?<p>
How about Fiji? &nbsp;Or Brazil. &nbsp; Everyone there is really healthy looking, and doesn't need much energy because of all the heat.<p>
What's wrong with being like Brazil? &nbsp;Don't you like Brazilian people?<p>
For me, the whole world will be Brazil as nature continues to heat our planet with beneficent global warming -- fun loving, healthy, at the beach, and looking good!

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				<p><strong>Sweden?<p>You use Sweden as your example of what to do post-Global Warming. &nbsp;Like, isn't Sweden cold?<p>
How about Fiji? &nbsp;Or Brazil. &nbsp; Everyone there is really healthy looking, and doesn't need much energy because of all the heat.<p>
What's wrong with being like Brazil? &nbsp;Don't you like Brazilian people?<p>
For me, the whole world will be Brazil as nature continues to heat our planet with beneficent global warming -- fun loving, healthy, at the beach, and looking good!

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            <title>Comment #6 by Zarkov</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Its in the Book</strong></p><p>&gt;&gt; I'm gearing up to make a Youtube reply to Swindle. &gt;&gt;</p><p>
LOL, well what a fool you will look like by passing on corporate propaganda. </p><p>
The truth about global climate change, corporate deception and the REAL possibility for the extinction of life on Earth, is about to hit the streets, so you had better get well acquainted with the facts if you wish to be taken seriously.</p><p>
The consequences of Global Climate Change are far far far worse than you media guys could ever imagine.</p><p>
omegafour.com</p>
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				<p><strong>Its in the Book</strong></p><p>&gt;&gt; I'm gearing up to make a Youtube reply to Swindle. &gt;&gt;</p><p>
LOL, well what a fool you will look like by passing on corporate propaganda. </p><p>
The truth about global climate change, corporate deception and the REAL possibility for the extinction of life on Earth, is about to hit the streets, so you had better get well acquainted with the facts if you wish to be taken seriously.</p><p>
The consequences of Global Climate Change are far far far worse than you media guys could ever imagine.</p><p>
omegafour.com</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 13:09:37 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Lol<p>LOL, well what a fool you will look like by passing on corporate propaganda. <p>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at0T7Fi5l_I" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at0T7Fi5l_I<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxjnH-UfZKI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxjnH-UfZKI<br>
<a href="http://www.greyfalcon.net/swindle.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.greyfalcon.net/swindle.png<p>
Speaking of Corporate Propaganda ;D</p></a></br></a></br></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Lol<p>LOL, well what a fool you will look like by passing on corporate propaganda. <p>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at0T7Fi5l_I" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at0T7Fi5l_I<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxjnH-UfZKI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxjnH-UfZKI<br>
<a href="http://www.greyfalcon.net/swindle.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.greyfalcon.net/swindle.png<p>
Speaking of Corporate Propaganda ;D</p></a></br></a></br></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 13:37:46 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Ooh<p>A little conspiratorial, but then again, believable since it's all sourced.<p>
<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=522784499045867811&amp;q=The+Denial+Machine" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=52278449904586781 ...</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Ooh<p>A little conspiratorial, but then again, believable since it's all sourced.<p>
<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=522784499045867811&amp;q=The+Denial+Machine" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=52278449904586781 ...</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Solution King</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:47:31 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Global Warming Solution</strong></p><p>TOO EXPENSIVE.<br>
Not so I have 2 methods one to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by up to 80% in a residential home and save up to 50% of electricity/gas use for heating and cooling this method pays for itself after several years and then goes on to save for many years to come, the second method can capture greenhouse gas emissions and other emissions as well store them for ever and not under ground this method also pays for itself, the big problem is getting the powers that be to contact me, I offered the first method to Wal-Mart for free this corporation would get the word out much quicker than I could so we around the world Wal-Marts customers could save our planet and save money for energy costs, I got the run around after trying for 3 months.<br>
If there is no such thing as Global Warming then how about acid rain and smog I can solve this huge problem for any city in the world, imagine Los Angeles with no smog, I have an innovation for vehicles to reduce consumption of fossil fuels as well.</br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Global Warming Solution</strong></p><p>TOO EXPENSIVE.<br>
Not so I have 2 methods one to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by up to 80% in a residential home and save up to 50% of electricity/gas use for heating and cooling this method pays for itself after several years and then goes on to save for many years to come, the second method can capture greenhouse gas emissions and other emissions as well store them for ever and not under ground this method also pays for itself, the big problem is getting the powers that be to contact me, I offered the first method to Wal-Mart for free this corporation would get the word out much quicker than I could so we around the world Wal-Marts customers could save our planet and save money for energy costs, I got the run around after trying for 3 months.<br>
If there is no such thing as Global Warming then how about acid rain and smog I can solve this huge problem for any city in the world, imagine Los Angeles with no smog, I have an innovation for vehicles to reduce consumption of fossil fuels as well.</br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:55:37 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I'm listening :P</strong></p><p>Not so I have 2 methods one to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by up to 80% in a residential home and save up to 50% of electricity/gas use for heating and cooling this method pays for itself after several years and then goes on to save for many years to come, the second method can capture greenhouse gas emissions and other emissions as well store them for ever and not under ground this method also pays for itself, the big problem is getting the powers that be to contact me, I offered the first method to Wal-Mart for free this corporation would get the word out much quicker than I could so we around the world Wal-Marts customers could save our planet and save money for energy costs, I got the run around after trying for 3 months.</p><p>
Well, you've certainly got my rapt attention.<br>
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Any chance you could share the secrets?<br>
I happen to love tech solutions :)</br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>I'm listening :P</strong></p><p>Not so I have 2 methods one to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by up to 80% in a residential home and save up to 50% of electricity/gas use for heating and cooling this method pays for itself after several years and then goes on to save for many years to come, the second method can capture greenhouse gas emissions and other emissions as well store them for ever and not under ground this method also pays for itself, the big problem is getting the powers that be to contact me, I offered the first method to Wal-Mart for free this corporation would get the word out much quicker than I could so we around the world Wal-Marts customers could save our planet and save money for energy costs, I got the run around after trying for 3 months.</p><p>
Well, you've certainly got my rapt attention.<br>
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Any chance you could share the secrets?<br>
I happen to love tech solutions :)</br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by Steven T</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:58:43 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>There's a movie in here somewhere...</strong></p><p>"For me, the whole world will be Brazil as nature continues to heat our planet with beneficent global warming -- fun loving, healthy, at the beach, and looking good!" &nbsp;-- Texeme</p><p>
Man, that's a 21st Century version of Dr. Strangelove!</p>
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				<p><strong>There's a movie in here somewhere...</strong></p><p>"For me, the whole world will be Brazil as nature continues to heat our planet with beneficent global warming -- fun loving, healthy, at the beach, and looking good!" &nbsp;-- Texeme</p><p>
Man, that's a 21st Century version of Dr. Strangelove!</p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by dobermanmacleod</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 20:15:41 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Global warming is like cancer</strong></p><p>Don't worry about the "flat-earthers" who deny either global warming is man-made, or claim nothing can be done about it.</p><p>
Global warming is like cancer: the patient will not die in denial. &nbsp;Soon the pain will cut through the denial, and an accurate diagnosis will be sought.</p><p>
On the other hand, delaying an accurate diagnosis and appropriate treatment could cause the disease to go from serious to fatal.</p><p>
What isn't popularly known is the main danger is "runaway global warming." &nbsp;As the earth warms, carbon sinks will become carbon emitters. &nbsp;Particularly, methane hydrate (ice that contains more carbon than all other fossil fuel on earth) will soon start to melt.</p><p>
I urge you to look at how rapidly the CO2 level in the air has risen in the past few years. &nbsp;Scientists can't explain the rapid rise, and in my opinion is evidence that runaway global warming has already started.</p>
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				<p><strong>Global warming is like cancer</strong></p><p>Don't worry about the "flat-earthers" who deny either global warming is man-made, or claim nothing can be done about it.</p><p>
Global warming is like cancer: the patient will not die in denial. &nbsp;Soon the pain will cut through the denial, and an accurate diagnosis will be sought.</p><p>
On the other hand, delaying an accurate diagnosis and appropriate treatment could cause the disease to go from serious to fatal.</p><p>
What isn't popularly known is the main danger is "runaway global warming." &nbsp;As the earth warms, carbon sinks will become carbon emitters. &nbsp;Particularly, methane hydrate (ice that contains more carbon than all other fossil fuel on earth) will soon start to melt.</p><p>
I urge you to look at how rapidly the CO2 level in the air has risen in the past few years. &nbsp;Scientists can't explain the rapid rise, and in my opinion is evidence that runaway global warming has already started.</p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by dannychivers</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:25:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Swindle Response<p>Greyflcn: Good luck with the Youtube "Swindle" response! Really glad that people like yourself are doing this. I was hoping the wretched thing would fade from view after it had disgraced our screens here in the UK, but it seems to have been jerked back into horrible undead life on the interweb.<p>
I put together a cheerfully ranty response to the programme here, which includes various links that might be of use to anyone who's been exposed to the thing:<p>
<a href="http://adaisythroughconcrete.blogspot.com/2007/03/ok-now-im-cross.html" rel="nofollow">http://adaisythroughconcrete.blogspot.com/2007/03/ok-now- ...<p>
Good luck!<p>
Danny</p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Swindle Response<p>Greyflcn: Good luck with the Youtube "Swindle" response! Really glad that people like yourself are doing this. I was hoping the wretched thing would fade from view after it had disgraced our screens here in the UK, but it seems to have been jerked back into horrible undead life on the interweb.<p>
I put together a cheerfully ranty response to the programme here, which includes various links that might be of use to anyone who's been exposed to the thing:<p>
<a href="http://adaisythroughconcrete.blogspot.com/2007/03/ok-now-im-cross.html" rel="nofollow">http://adaisythroughconcrete.blogspot.com/2007/03/ok-now- ...<p>
Good luck!<p>
Danny</p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #14 by Nucbuddy</title>
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				<p><strong>What is wrong with artificial selective-pressure?<p><b>Gar Lipow wrote: For at least half a century, there have been proposals for geodesic and inflatable domes miles in diameter, but no one could ever come up with <b>a good enough reason to build one; ignore global warming long enough and we may get one..<p>
Yes. This is called <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22selective+pressure%22" rel="nofollow">selective pressure. Students of evolution-by-selection consider it potentially healthy. A similarly-themed Gristmill comment was posted a few days ago (28 Mar 2007):<br>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/comments/2007/3/26/152849/926/34#34" rel="nofollow">gristmill.grist.org/comments/2007/3/26/152849/926/34#34<p>
A selectionist is dynamic and believes that evolution (which is good) happens faster in times of stress and changing 'environments'.<p>
<b>We propose to increase the speed at which Man changes the environment in order to speed evolution and create new and better species..<p>
<b>Gar Lipow wrote: At any rate, if we intend to do nothing toward prevention, we need to investigate more seriously how to dome over a quarter of the worlds land area.<p>
Done.<br>
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=crenosphere" rel="nofollow">google.com/search?q=crenosphere<p>
By the way, the real-estate potential of the oceans lies virtually untapped.<p>
Regarding other comments in your post:<p>
Why would nutrition-factories have windows?<p>
Why would nutrition production have any more reason than automobile or computer production to take place outside or to depend upon weather conditions?<br>
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				<p><strong>What is wrong with artificial selective-pressure?<p><b>Gar Lipow wrote: For at least half a century, there have been proposals for geodesic and inflatable domes miles in diameter, but no one could ever come up with <b>a good enough reason to build one; ignore global warming long enough and we may get one..<p>
Yes. This is called <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22selective+pressure%22" rel="nofollow">selective pressure. Students of evolution-by-selection consider it potentially healthy. A similarly-themed Gristmill comment was posted a few days ago (28 Mar 2007):<br>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/comments/2007/3/26/152849/926/34#34" rel="nofollow">gristmill.grist.org/comments/2007/3/26/152849/926/34#34<p>
A selectionist is dynamic and believes that evolution (which is good) happens faster in times of stress and changing 'environments'.<p>
<b>We propose to increase the speed at which Man changes the environment in order to speed evolution and create new and better species..<p>
<b>Gar Lipow wrote: At any rate, if we intend to do nothing toward prevention, we need to investigate more seriously how to dome over a quarter of the worlds land area.<p>
Done.<br>
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=crenosphere" rel="nofollow">google.com/search?q=crenosphere<p>
By the way, the real-estate potential of the oceans lies virtually untapped.<p>
Regarding other comments in your post:<p>
Why would nutrition-factories have windows?<p>
Why would nutrition production have any more reason than automobile or computer production to take place outside or to depend upon weather conditions?<br>
</br></p></p></p></p></a></br></p></b></p></b></p></p></a></br></a></p></b></b></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #15 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 01:24:54 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Experimental evidence for the role of ions<p>Experimental evidence for the role of ions in particle nucleation under atmospheric conditions<p>
Henrik Svensmark AFF1, Jens Olaf P. Pedersen AFF1, Nigel D. Marsh AFF1, Martin B. Enghoff AFF1, Ulrik I. Uggerh&#248;j AFF1 AFF2 <p>
AFF1 Centre for Sun-Climate Research, Danish National Space Centre, 2100 Copenhagen, Denmark<br>
AFF2 Institute of Physics and Astronomy, University of Aarhus, 8000 Aarhus, Denmark<p>
Abstract: <br>
Experimental studies of aerosol nucleation in air, containing trace amounts of ozone, sulphur dioxide and water vapour at concentrations relevant for the Earth's atmosphere, are reported. The production of new aerosol particles is found to be proportional to the negative ion density and yields nucleation rates of the order of 0.1-1cm&#8722;3s&#8722;1. This suggests that the ions are active in generating an atmospheric reservoir of small thermodynamically stable clusters, which are important for nucleation processes in the atmosphere and ultimately for cloud formation.<p>
<a href="http://www.journals.royalsoc.ac.uk/link.asp?id=3163g817166673g7" rel="nofollow">http://www.journals.royalsoc.ac.uk/link.asp?id=3163g81716 ...

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				<p><strong>Experimental evidence for the role of ions<p>Experimental evidence for the role of ions in particle nucleation under atmospheric conditions<p>
Henrik Svensmark AFF1, Jens Olaf P. Pedersen AFF1, Nigel D. Marsh AFF1, Martin B. Enghoff AFF1, Ulrik I. Uggerh&#248;j AFF1 AFF2 <p>
AFF1 Centre for Sun-Climate Research, Danish National Space Centre, 2100 Copenhagen, Denmark<br>
AFF2 Institute of Physics and Astronomy, University of Aarhus, 8000 Aarhus, Denmark<p>
Abstract: <br>
Experimental studies of aerosol nucleation in air, containing trace amounts of ozone, sulphur dioxide and water vapour at concentrations relevant for the Earth's atmosphere, are reported. The production of new aerosol particles is found to be proportional to the negative ion density and yields nucleation rates of the order of 0.1-1cm&#8722;3s&#8722;1. This suggests that the ions are active in generating an atmospheric reservoir of small thermodynamically stable clusters, which are important for nucleation processes in the atmosphere and ultimately for cloud formation.<p>
<a href="http://www.journals.royalsoc.ac.uk/link.asp?id=3163g817166673g7" rel="nofollow">http://www.journals.royalsoc.ac.uk/link.asp?id=3163g81716 ...

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            <title>Comment #16 by wiscidea</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:39:43 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Zarkov and Jabailo</strong></p><p>Hello.</p><p>
What's your opinion regarding the latest suggestion that the warmest and wettest region on Earth will -- because of climate change -- be both warmer and wetter than any environment ever encountered by human beings in the past or present?</p><p>
There is no ecosystem on Earth currently adapted to such connditions. There might be mass extinctions without any existing organisms -- plant, fungus, animal -- to fill the newly open niches on half the continent of South America. We have no crops growing under such conditions. Furthermore, it will alter the soil chemistry of the region in novel ways.</p><p>
There might be no organism we can hunt, gather, or grow for food in the region... until evolution has a few hundred thousand years to work on the problem.</p><p>
Your warm and wet world brimming with life might not emerge as quickly as you hope. Are you prepared to write off half of a continent?

<p>Forward!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Zarkov and Jabailo</strong></p><p>Hello.</p><p>
What's your opinion regarding the latest suggestion that the warmest and wettest region on Earth will -- because of climate change -- be both warmer and wetter than any environment ever encountered by human beings in the past or present?</p><p>
There is no ecosystem on Earth currently adapted to such connditions. There might be mass extinctions without any existing organisms -- plant, fungus, animal -- to fill the newly open niches on half the continent of South America. We have no crops growing under such conditions. Furthermore, it will alter the soil chemistry of the region in novel ways.</p><p>
There might be no organism we can hunt, gather, or grow for food in the region... until evolution has a few hundred thousand years to work on the problem.</p><p>
Your warm and wet world brimming with life might not emerge as quickly as you hope. Are you prepared to write off half of a continent?

<p>Forward!</p></p>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 05:16:34 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I'M listening:P</strong></p><p>Dave,<br>
The people I have contacted to tell the methods and innovations I have are Sen J Rockefeller, His brother in law-Dr. Wade Davis (a freind), President Bill Clinton, and The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, I gave up on the Governor of California after months of trying, I tried HRH Prince Charles right a the time he went to the US to get the award hoping to help him out of all the flack he was getting his secretary said he could not do as I ask and this was to tell his government what I have so as the government and I could talk (I don't think he even got the letter as it had other innovations in it that save lives imagine not caring about a ship located in the Thames estuary (SS Richard Montgomery) she has the equivilent of an atomic bomb in here 60 year old corroding hull 27 miles from London located one mile off of Sherrness England in 50 feet of water, one of my innovations van stop the ship from corroding furthur another can solidify the ship so as to pick her up and drop her off in the dark zone, another can seal her forever there are thousands of ship wrecks from the second wolrd war and know one cares about their dangerous cargoes there are 140 oil tankers off of the east coast of the US, there are two camps one says she won't blow up the other says she will and point to the shipwreck in Folkstone England with a huge bomb 4.2 on the rickter scale when she went up since then the British has forbid going anwhere near this ship they just look at it from time to time, one can only try.</br></p>
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				<p><strong>I'M listening:P</strong></p><p>Dave,<br>
The people I have contacted to tell the methods and innovations I have are Sen J Rockefeller, His brother in law-Dr. Wade Davis (a freind), President Bill Clinton, and The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, I gave up on the Governor of California after months of trying, I tried HRH Prince Charles right a the time he went to the US to get the award hoping to help him out of all the flack he was getting his secretary said he could not do as I ask and this was to tell his government what I have so as the government and I could talk (I don't think he even got the letter as it had other innovations in it that save lives imagine not caring about a ship located in the Thames estuary (SS Richard Montgomery) she has the equivilent of an atomic bomb in here 60 year old corroding hull 27 miles from London located one mile off of Sherrness England in 50 feet of water, one of my innovations van stop the ship from corroding furthur another can solidify the ship so as to pick her up and drop her off in the dark zone, another can seal her forever there are thousands of ship wrecks from the second wolrd war and know one cares about their dangerous cargoes there are 140 oil tankers off of the east coast of the US, there are two camps one says she won't blow up the other says she will and point to the shipwreck in Folkstone England with a huge bomb 4.2 on the rickter scale when she went up since then the British has forbid going anwhere near this ship they just look at it from time to time, one can only try.</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #18 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:15:25 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Hrmm</strong></p><p>Lemme guess</p><p>
The first one is installing underground heatpumps in new buildings :O</p>
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				<p><strong>Hrmm</strong></p><p>Lemme guess</p><p>
The first one is installing underground heatpumps in new buildings :O</p>
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            <title>Comment #19 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:18:46 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Lol.<p>Svensmark &amp; Marsh 2001 says cosmic rays is teh cause of all cloud formation!<p>
Cosmic Ray theory has never survived peer review.<br>
<a href="http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/Solar-ClimateLAUTPREPRINT.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Pap ...<p>
The trend data keeps getting disproven.</p></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Lol.<p>Svensmark &amp; Marsh 2001 says cosmic rays is teh cause of all cloud formation!<p>
Cosmic Ray theory has never survived peer review.<br>
<a href="http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/Solar-ClimateLAUTPREPRINT.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Pap ...<p>
The trend data keeps getting disproven.</p></a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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