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            <title>Comment #1 by Laurence Aurbach</title>
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				<p><strong>science fiction and climate change<p>The original PBS TV dramatization of Lathe of Heaven was very good too. It's been a long time since I read the book and I don't remember if LeGuin specifically mentioned the CO2 mechanism. The 1969 James Blish story "We All Die Naked" is said to be the first to put the greenhouse effect in a fictional setting.<p>
Ecological catastrophe has been a theme in science fiction for more than a century, and traces its roots back to ancient works like Gilgamesh and the Bible. Victorian writers imagined the destruction of London from poisonous coal smoke, as in Robert Barr's <a href="http://www.online-literature.com/robert-barr/face-and-the-mask/7/" rel="nofollow">The Doom of London. <p>
Through the first half of the twentieth century the most common fictional manmade global disasters were caused by war and weapons, and the movie The Day the Earth Caught Fire (1961) continues that tradition. With an intelligent script, decent acting and impressive effects considering the shoestring budget, it remains the best movie about global heating (in this case caused by a nuke test).<p>
JG Ballard focused on global climate change in The Drowned World (1962) and The Drought, a.k.a. The Burning World (1964). In the latter, human pollution creates an impermeable layer on the oceans that prevents evaporation and causes a global drought. I seem to recall a Gristmill commenter who frequently promoted that theory.<p>
The <a href="http://www.globalwarmingarchive.com/Timeline.aspx" rel="nofollow">Global Warming Timeline has an interesting collection of newspaper articles going back to the 19th century. It wasn't until the publication of Silent Spring (1962), I think, that these articles changed from passing entertainment about zany scientists to reports about a possible threat that should be taken seriously.<p>
Brian Stableford's essay <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=HO_z5WFKwpoC&amp;pg=PA138&amp;lpg=PA138&amp;dq=ecocatastrophe+ehrlich&amp;source=web&amp;ots=44hEKZ15GR&amp;sig=gzmgvzmDiFv2pFiW4XyDAOltLuU&amp;hl=en#PPA137,M1" rel="nofollow">Science Fiction and Ecology has some very interesting thoughts about the field, its history and its relation to current climate developments.

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				<p><strong>science fiction and climate change<p>The original PBS TV dramatization of Lathe of Heaven was very good too. It's been a long time since I read the book and I don't remember if LeGuin specifically mentioned the CO2 mechanism. The 1969 James Blish story "We All Die Naked" is said to be the first to put the greenhouse effect in a fictional setting.<p>
Ecological catastrophe has been a theme in science fiction for more than a century, and traces its roots back to ancient works like Gilgamesh and the Bible. Victorian writers imagined the destruction of London from poisonous coal smoke, as in Robert Barr's <a href="http://www.online-literature.com/robert-barr/face-and-the-mask/7/" rel="nofollow">The Doom of London. <p>
Through the first half of the twentieth century the most common fictional manmade global disasters were caused by war and weapons, and the movie The Day the Earth Caught Fire (1961) continues that tradition. With an intelligent script, decent acting and impressive effects considering the shoestring budget, it remains the best movie about global heating (in this case caused by a nuke test).<p>
JG Ballard focused on global climate change in The Drowned World (1962) and The Drought, a.k.a. The Burning World (1964). In the latter, human pollution creates an impermeable layer on the oceans that prevents evaporation and causes a global drought. I seem to recall a Gristmill commenter who frequently promoted that theory.<p>
The <a href="http://www.globalwarmingarchive.com/Timeline.aspx" rel="nofollow">Global Warming Timeline has an interesting collection of newspaper articles going back to the 19th century. It wasn't until the publication of Silent Spring (1962), I think, that these articles changed from passing entertainment about zany scientists to reports about a possible threat that should be taken seriously.<p>
Brian Stableford's essay <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=HO_z5WFKwpoC&amp;pg=PA138&amp;lpg=PA138&amp;dq=ecocatastrophe+ehrlich&amp;source=web&amp;ots=44hEKZ15GR&amp;sig=gzmgvzmDiFv2pFiW4XyDAOltLuU&amp;hl=en#PPA137,M1" rel="nofollow">Science Fiction and Ecology has some very interesting thoughts about the field, its history and its relation to current climate developments.

<p><a href="http://pedshed.net" rel="nofollow">Ped Shed Blog</a></p></a></p></a></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Tasermons Partner</title>
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				<p><strong>Brings back memories...</strong></p><p>...wow, I haven't read Lathe of Heaven in years. &nbsp;Talk 'bout a flashback.</p><p>
The Dark Materials series talks some 'bout global climate change and climate refugees as well (though not so much due to GHGs as it is those trans-dimesional dust particles).</p>
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				<p><strong>Brings back memories...</strong></p><p>...wow, I haven't read Lathe of Heaven in years. &nbsp;Talk 'bout a flashback.</p><p>
The Dark Materials series talks some 'bout global climate change and climate refugees as well (though not so much due to GHGs as it is those trans-dimesional dust particles).</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by caniscandida</title>
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				<p><strong>and for fans of ancient Roman stuff ...</strong></p><p>After I get through the next couple of reading assignments, I am looking forward to reading Le Guin's new novel "Lavinia," apparently a story about the arrival of Aeneas and his Trojan refugees in the Tiber valley, as told by Lavinia, the Latin princess who is the hugely important background presence, but mostly mute, in the latter half of Virgil's epic, the "Aeneid."</p><p>
My husband snatched my copy out of my hands as he prepared to visit his mother in Missouri, a couple of weeks ago. &nbsp;He did not like the Earthsea trilogy much, but he said he liked this book a lot.</p><p>
It is very possible that I read Lathe of Heaven, back in the 1970s. &nbsp;But if I did, I am afraid I do not remember it.</p><p>
I DO remember "The Wizard of Earthsea," vaguely: the inadequate geography, economics and history, which do not hold up in comparison to the creations of J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis; the Jungian psycho-cosmology, which is rather more interesting.</p><p>
And yes indeed, Earthsea has a school (or at least a loose educational system) for boys and girls preparing to become accredited wizards and witches. &nbsp;But there are so many differences between that world and the world (closely parallel to our own) of Harry Potter, and between the tone of that book and of the Harry Potter books, that we should hesitate before suggesting that J.K. Rowling was doing something derivative.</p><p>
As for prescient dystopias with an environmental background, we just saw the 1990 movie "The Handmaid's Tale," with Natasha Richardson, Faye Dunaway, Robert Duvall and Aidan Quinn, based on Margaret Atwood's novel. &nbsp;It is very well done, and very closely tied to current social realities in the US. &nbsp;The basic situation is, following some sort of catastrophe in the US government (my husband tells me that in the novel, Islamic extremists blow up the Capitol, with most of the government inside), a break-away Christian fundamentalist racist militarist republic is struggling both to cleanse itself of violent dissidents, and to deal with the unnatural sterility of most of the women, brought on by some terrible sort of pollution. &nbsp;The "handmaids" are the fertile women, who serve as sex-slaves, more or less, to the men in charge.

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>and for fans of ancient Roman stuff ...</strong></p><p>After I get through the next couple of reading assignments, I am looking forward to reading Le Guin's new novel "Lavinia," apparently a story about the arrival of Aeneas and his Trojan refugees in the Tiber valley, as told by Lavinia, the Latin princess who is the hugely important background presence, but mostly mute, in the latter half of Virgil's epic, the "Aeneid."</p><p>
My husband snatched my copy out of my hands as he prepared to visit his mother in Missouri, a couple of weeks ago. &nbsp;He did not like the Earthsea trilogy much, but he said he liked this book a lot.</p><p>
It is very possible that I read Lathe of Heaven, back in the 1970s. &nbsp;But if I did, I am afraid I do not remember it.</p><p>
I DO remember "The Wizard of Earthsea," vaguely: the inadequate geography, economics and history, which do not hold up in comparison to the creations of J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis; the Jungian psycho-cosmology, which is rather more interesting.</p><p>
And yes indeed, Earthsea has a school (or at least a loose educational system) for boys and girls preparing to become accredited wizards and witches. &nbsp;But there are so many differences between that world and the world (closely parallel to our own) of Harry Potter, and between the tone of that book and of the Harry Potter books, that we should hesitate before suggesting that J.K. Rowling was doing something derivative.</p><p>
As for prescient dystopias with an environmental background, we just saw the 1990 movie "The Handmaid's Tale," with Natasha Richardson, Faye Dunaway, Robert Duvall and Aidan Quinn, based on Margaret Atwood's novel. &nbsp;It is very well done, and very closely tied to current social realities in the US. &nbsp;The basic situation is, following some sort of catastrophe in the US government (my husband tells me that in the novel, Islamic extremists blow up the Capitol, with most of the government inside), a break-away Christian fundamentalist racist militarist republic is struggling both to cleanse itself of violent dissidents, and to deal with the unnatural sterility of most of the women, brought on by some terrible sort of pollution. &nbsp;The "handmaids" are the fertile women, who serve as sex-slaves, more or less, to the men in charge.

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Erik Hoffner</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:47:22 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>CO2<p>Thanks, Laurence, good to learn of "We All Die Naked." <p>
Le Guin does in fact finger CO2 and industrial activity as the cause of the warming in the novel:<p>
"Very little light and air got down to street level; what there was warm and full of fine rain. Rain was an old Portland tradition, but the warmth - 70 degrees in March - was modern, a result of air pollution. Urban and industrial effluvia had not been controlled soon enough to reverse the cumulative trends already at work in the mid twentieth century; it would take several centuries for the CO2 to clear out of the air...New York was going to be one of the larger casualties as the polar ice kept melting and the sea kept rising..."<p>
Erik 

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				<p><strong>CO2<p>Thanks, Laurence, good to learn of "We All Die Naked." <p>
Le Guin does in fact finger CO2 and industrial activity as the cause of the warming in the novel:<p>
"Very little light and air got down to street level; what there was warm and full of fine rain. Rain was an old Portland tradition, but the warmth - 70 degrees in March - was modern, a result of air pollution. Urban and industrial effluvia had not been controlled soon enough to reverse the cumulative trends already at work in the mid twentieth century; it would take several centuries for the CO2 to clear out of the air...New York was going to be one of the larger casualties as the polar ice kept melting and the sea kept rising..."<p>
Erik 

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            <title>Comment #5 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:56:41 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Well<p>Maybe not literature, but how about this from 1958<br>
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				<p><strong>Well<p>Maybe not literature, but how about this from 1958<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lgzz-L7GFg&amp;eurl=http://www.desmogblog.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lgzz-L7GFg&amp;eurl=http: ...</a></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by LennyM</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 22:37:42 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Make Room! Make Room!</strong></p><p>Harry Harrison's 1966 disturbingly dystopian novel "Make Room! Make Room!" (from which the movie "Soylent Green" was made) was set in a much hotter 1999 New York City. </p><p>
I think that I'm remembering the novel correctly; I'm fairly sure the movie reflected this also.</p>
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				<p><strong>Make Room! Make Room!</strong></p><p>Harry Harrison's 1966 disturbingly dystopian novel "Make Room! Make Room!" (from which the movie "Soylent Green" was made) was set in a much hotter 1999 New York City. </p><p>
I think that I'm remembering the novel correctly; I'm fairly sure the movie reflected this also.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Ron Steenblik</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 23:12:51 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;No Blade of Grass&quot;<p>Not exactly about climate change, <a href="http://www.lostbooks.org/reviews/1999-03-21-1.html" rel="nofollow">No Blade Of Grass, by John Christopher (Copyright 1956), nevertheless was one of the first "ecocalypse" novels of its kind. It was set in a world struggling to cope with mass famine as a virus initially attacks rice and then mutates and kills off other grass species, as well as the animals that feed on them.<p>
The <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066154/" rel="nofollow">1970 film of the book (same title) was pretty bad, but it definitely left an impression on me at the time.

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				<p><strong>&quot;No Blade of Grass&quot;<p>Not exactly about climate change, <a href="http://www.lostbooks.org/reviews/1999-03-21-1.html" rel="nofollow">No Blade Of Grass, by John Christopher (Copyright 1956), nevertheless was one of the first "ecocalypse" novels of its kind. It was set in a world struggling to cope with mass famine as a virus initially attacks rice and then mutates and kills off other grass species, as well as the animals that feed on them.<p>
The <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066154/" rel="nofollow">1970 film of the book (same title) was pretty bad, but it definitely left an impression on me at the time.

<p>These are only my personal opinions.</p></a></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 00:49:41 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Brunner<p>The finest enviro speculative fiction (probably should call it foresight rather than fiction) is John Brunner's Stand on Zanzibar and The Sheep Look Up, both from the late 60s or early 70s. &nbsp;I think about these often as I read the daily papers.

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				<p><strong>Brunner<p>The finest enviro speculative fiction (probably should call it foresight rather than fiction) is John Brunner's Stand on Zanzibar and The Sheep Look Up, both from the late 60s or early 70s. &nbsp;I think about these often as I read the daily papers.

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            <title>Comment #9 by Storm Dragon</title>
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				<p><strong>More on LeGuin</strong></p><p>Those of you who like Ursula K.LeGuin, and would like to try something more utopian than dystopian, might be interested in her novel "Always Coming Home". &nbsp;This book is set in northern California, (the Napa Valley area), in the far distant future. &nbsp;The world has evidently passed through some major changes, (human population is substantially lower, there are no fossil fuels, toxins in the environment have caused lingering problems, and San Francisco appears to have fallen into the ocean), but the climate does not appear to be significantly different than it is today. &nbsp;(Perhaps, by this time, the CO2 levels have declined, and temperatures have become more "normal".)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; With regard to the Earthsea books-as charming as the Harry Potter series may be, the Earthsea books have always seemed to me to belong to a much higher class of literature. &nbsp;I'm not sure it's entirely fair to put them in the same category.

<p>Let the jaguars return!</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>More on LeGuin</strong></p><p>Those of you who like Ursula K.LeGuin, and would like to try something more utopian than dystopian, might be interested in her novel "Always Coming Home". &nbsp;This book is set in northern California, (the Napa Valley area), in the far distant future. &nbsp;The world has evidently passed through some major changes, (human population is substantially lower, there are no fossil fuels, toxins in the environment have caused lingering problems, and San Francisco appears to have fallen into the ocean), but the climate does not appear to be significantly different than it is today. &nbsp;(Perhaps, by this time, the CO2 levels have declined, and temperatures have become more "normal".)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; With regard to the Earthsea books-as charming as the Harry Potter series may be, the Earthsea books have always seemed to me to belong to a much higher class of literature. &nbsp;I'm not sure it's entirely fair to put them in the same category.

<p>Let the jaguars return!</p></br></p>
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