<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Yeah, coal again]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by JohnCaley http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/ Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:41:15 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/1 No Credibility

Sorry, but Dr Hansen should know better.

He has destroyed his credibility.
I suspect he is a Nuclear Power stooge.
omegafour.com

]]> No Credibility

Sorry, but Dr Hansen should know better.

He has destroyed his credibility.
I suspect he is a Nuclear Power stooge.
omegafour.com

]]> Comment #2 by DrColes http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/ Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:12:38 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/2 He is a propagansist

He is a political hack spewing propaganda.

The 100 year old con http://www.InteliOrg.com/archive/FireandIce.pdf on climate change.

In order to be an intelligent reader you must have a basic knowledge.  Please do your own homework, a starting point http://www.InteliOrg.com/

]]> He is a propagansist

He is a political hack spewing propaganda.

The 100 year old con http://www.InteliOrg.com/archive/FireandIce.pdf on climate change.

In order to be an intelligent reader you must have a basic knowledge.  Please do your own homework, a starting point http://www.InteliOrg.com/

]]> Comment #3 by katwink http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/ Fri, 27 Jul 2007 03:24:39 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/3 I beg to differ

And the website you link describes itself nicely in the heading:

"Quackery is now found everywhere."

No rational thinker will throw away reason and logic to be swayed by propaganda of any form. Intelligent readers of science DO have the basic knowledge and have done plenty of homework to inform themselves.

]]> I beg to differ

And the website you link describes itself nicely in the heading:

"Quackery is now found everywhere."

No rational thinker will throw away reason and logic to be swayed by propaganda of any form. Intelligent readers of science DO have the basic knowledge and have done plenty of homework to inform themselves.

]]> Comment #4 by trock http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/ Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:17:25 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/4 propaganda

wow.

Do a little thinking.

Inteliorg has a good article on "Distiquishing Science and Pseudoscience."

Then it uses Pseudoscience to write the article "Fire and Ice."

Do you understand that?  

]]> propaganda

wow.

Do a little thinking.

Inteliorg has a good article on "Distiquishing Science and Pseudoscience."

Then it uses Pseudoscience to write the article "Fire and Ice."

Do you understand that?  

]]> Comment #5 by Bart Anderson http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/ Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:45:27 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/5 Troll alert / coal and peak oil

Weren't we talking about ways to keep the trolls from sabotaging discussions? Looks like the problem is still with us.

What I really wanted to mention is the common ground between the peak oil and climate change movements. The two problems are intimately connected.  Dr. Hansen sums it up: As oil resources peak, coal will determine future CO2 levels. In addition, more expensive oil will make almost all goods more expensive. This includes alternative energy sources and energy-saving technologies.

International tension will increase, as countries become desperate for oil. Populations will resist restrictions on energy.

On the other hand, peak oil will make it impossible to ignore the energy issue. We will be forced to turn to energy efficiency and conservations.  I hope we will become more educated and make better choices.

Bart
Energy Bulletin

]]> Troll alert / coal and peak oil

Weren't we talking about ways to keep the trolls from sabotaging discussions? Looks like the problem is still with us.

What I really wanted to mention is the common ground between the peak oil and climate change movements. The two problems are intimately connected.  Dr. Hansen sums it up: As oil resources peak, coal will determine future CO2 levels. In addition, more expensive oil will make almost all goods more expensive. This includes alternative energy sources and energy-saving technologies.

International tension will increase, as countries become desperate for oil. Populations will resist restrictions on energy.

On the other hand, peak oil will make it impossible to ignore the energy issue. We will be forced to turn to energy efficiency and conservations.  I hope we will become more educated and make better choices.

Bart
Energy Bulletin

]]> Comment #6 by Pangolin http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/ Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:52:12 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/6 Hanson is right.

Maybe our great grandchildren will watch newsclips of coal trains loading in the same classroom unit where I watched holocaust videos. If Hansen is half right in his predictions more humans will die from the effects of climate change than the total human population of the planet not too long ago.

Passenger pigeons once numbered in the billions also as did north atlantic cod.

Ask an Australian how easy it is to survive in a climate change regime. Drought, then flood. As a Californian where the seasons are flood, fire, earthquake and drought I am well aware that we live at the mercy of the environment. I watched a good portion of Oakland burn in a single day and all the kings horses and all the kings men could do nothing. A thick fog put the fire out.

Don't think for a minute that we have mastered this.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> Hanson is right.

Maybe our great grandchildren will watch newsclips of coal trains loading in the same classroom unit where I watched holocaust videos. If Hansen is half right in his predictions more humans will die from the effects of climate change than the total human population of the planet not too long ago.

Passenger pigeons once numbered in the billions also as did north atlantic cod.

Ask an Australian how easy it is to survive in a climate change regime. Drought, then flood. As a Californian where the seasons are flood, fire, earthquake and drought I am well aware that we live at the mercy of the environment. I watched a good portion of Oakland burn in a single day and all the kings horses and all the kings men could do nothing. A thick fog put the fire out.

Don't think for a minute that we have mastered this.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> Comment #7 by Billhook http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/ Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:35:24 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/7 A Moratorium on Coal Power's Growth

While such a moratorium as Dr Hansen proposes must be highly desireable from a US Democrat perspective,
in that it neatly avoids clashing with both the Auto & Oil lobbies' propagandists,
it is also aggressively useful diplomatically in demonizing the poorer developing nations, for whom coal is the only prospect of maintaining the economic growth rates their yuppies demand.

However, demonizing China & India will not halt their rising dependence on coal -

So will a Dem US president commit to hacking US use of oil so as to allow China & India to avoid the building of another 500 coal stations ?

Or is Dr Hansen's proposal just a partisan policy ploy to assist the looming Dem presidential campaign ?

I think that for the sake of his own credibility as a scientist he would be wise to clarify his position on this point.

Regards,

Bill

]]> A Moratorium on Coal Power's Growth

While such a moratorium as Dr Hansen proposes must be highly desireable from a US Democrat perspective,
in that it neatly avoids clashing with both the Auto & Oil lobbies' propagandists,
it is also aggressively useful diplomatically in demonizing the poorer developing nations, for whom coal is the only prospect of maintaining the economic growth rates their yuppies demand.

However, demonizing China & India will not halt their rising dependence on coal -

So will a Dem US president commit to hacking US use of oil so as to allow China & India to avoid the building of another 500 coal stations ?

Or is Dr Hansen's proposal just a partisan policy ploy to assist the looming Dem presidential campaign ?

I think that for the sake of his own credibility as a scientist he would be wise to clarify his position on this point.

Regards,

Bill

]]> Comment #8 by MarkUK http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/ Sat, 28 Jul 2007 01:17:11 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/8 Huh?

Comparing coal trains to trains carrying jews? The word ridiculous doesn't even come close.

Peak oil will be less of an issue than people now think. There are a lot of developing countries currently heavily subsidizing their fuel. They will have to stop doing that. This will cause significant reductions in oil demand. There is plenty of oil around the problem is in daily production levels.

]]> Huh?

Comparing coal trains to trains carrying jews? The word ridiculous doesn't even come close.

Peak oil will be less of an issue than people now think. There are a lot of developing countries currently heavily subsidizing their fuel. They will have to stop doing that. This will cause significant reductions in oil demand. There is plenty of oil around the problem is in daily production levels.

]]> Comment #9 by Whiskerfish http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/ Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:19:45 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/9 where can we get the whole of Hansen's email?

Whiskerfish

]]> where can we get the whole of Hansen's email?

Whiskerfish

]]> Comment #10 by JohnCaley http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/ Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:11:07 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/10 End World Now ! ! !

Want the world to end, quickly ?

Stop using coal.

I wish y'all knew science. Because y'all have no understanding of science I waste my fingers.

omegafour.com

Yes, by all means stop using coal after the world's climate is back under control (after the truth is accepted and acted upon), then use salt for energy production and storage.  No ecological footprint.

But the surest way to bring an end to civilisation, then life on Earth in the very near future is to reduce the heat capacity of the atmosphere.

]]> End World Now ! ! !

Want the world to end, quickly ?

Stop using coal.

I wish y'all knew science. Because y'all have no understanding of science I waste my fingers.

omegafour.com

Yes, by all means stop using coal after the world's climate is back under control (after the truth is accepted and acted upon), then use salt for energy production and storage.  No ecological footprint.

But the surest way to bring an end to civilisation, then life on Earth in the very near future is to reduce the heat capacity of the atmosphere.

]]> Comment #11 by Tenney Naumer http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/ Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:49:05 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-on-trains-of-death/11 Link to the letters

This is a link to the letter and Dr. Hansen's reply:
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/NMAletters_20071121.pdf

]]> Link to the letters

This is a link to the letter and Dr. Hansen's reply:
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/NMAletters_20071121.pdf

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