<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for A non-technical piece on climate science]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by stevenearlsalmony http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-for-the-plebes/ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:49:38 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-for-the-plebes/1 Dear Joe Romm And James Hansen.....

Do you think the time will ever come when government officials stop employing every ruse under the sun to protect the selfish interests of over-consumers and hoarders, and start by choosing to do the right thing?

Life and human institutions like national economies are utterly dependent upon the Earth for existence; but too many of our leaders view the Earth as some kind of thing to be manipulated, dissipated, and ravaged secondary to their adamant practice of a religion called Endless Economic Growth. This clear and obvious object of their idolatry is the soon to become unsustainable expansion of the leviathan-like, global political economy. What a colossal sham. What a shame. What a shambles for our children to confront.

Always with thanks,

Steve

]]> Dear Joe Romm And James Hansen.....

Do you think the time will ever come when government officials stop employing every ruse under the sun to protect the selfish interests of over-consumers and hoarders, and start by choosing to do the right thing?

Life and human institutions like national economies are utterly dependent upon the Earth for existence; but too many of our leaders view the Earth as some kind of thing to be manipulated, dissipated, and ravaged secondary to their adamant practice of a religion called Endless Economic Growth. This clear and obvious object of their idolatry is the soon to become unsustainable expansion of the leviathan-like, global political economy. What a colossal sham. What a shame. What a shambles for our children to confront.

Always with thanks,

Steve

]]> Comment #2 by LGT http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-for-the-plebes/ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:13:00 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-for-the-plebes/2 Burning Earth

Important Notice ... WARNING!

[First Draft: February 25, 2005]

Unless the global energy consumption is reduced rapidly--by mid 2006--to levels below 60EJ/year (6E+19 joules/year), our studies show that the runaway positive feedback loops that are destroying Earth's ecosystems including ozone holes, global heating, extreme climatic events, toxic pollution, resources depletion, unethical conduct, war, and disease pandemics would reach the point of no return, overwhelm our life support systems and render most of our population centers uninhabitable by as early as 2015, possibly earlier.

Failure to rein back the global energy consumption to the levels below 60 exajoules by June 2006 would render the concept of sustainable management redundant (it seems highly unlikely that post industrial civilization would voluntarily sacrifice its perceived privileges and values in favor of sustaining life on Earth).

http://msrb.wordpress.com/stop-burning-earth/

]]> Burning Earth

Important Notice ... WARNING!

[First Draft: February 25, 2005]

Unless the global energy consumption is reduced rapidly--by mid 2006--to levels below 60EJ/year (6E+19 joules/year), our studies show that the runaway positive feedback loops that are destroying Earth's ecosystems including ozone holes, global heating, extreme climatic events, toxic pollution, resources depletion, unethical conduct, war, and disease pandemics would reach the point of no return, overwhelm our life support systems and render most of our population centers uninhabitable by as early as 2015, possibly earlier.

Failure to rein back the global energy consumption to the levels below 60 exajoules by June 2006 would render the concept of sustainable management redundant (it seems highly unlikely that post industrial civilization would voluntarily sacrifice its perceived privileges and values in favor of sustaining life on Earth).

http://msrb.wordpress.com/stop-burning-earth/

]]> Comment #3 by Pangolin http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-for-the-plebes/ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:39:46 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-for-the-plebes/3 Bail, so what we're sinking...

keep bailing as fast as you can. Many things can happen before we are completely sunk so we might as well try something desperate.

Maybe you are the butterfly that starts the hurricane of GHG emissions reform. Flap some wings and find out.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> Bail, so what we're sinking...

keep bailing as fast as you can. Many things can happen before we are completely sunk so we might as well try something desperate.

Maybe you are the butterfly that starts the hurricane of GHG emissions reform. Flap some wings and find out.

Put the Carbon Back

]]> Comment #4 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-for-the-plebes/ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:30:06 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-for-the-plebes/4 NASA?


How about banning the Shuttle and Space Station?

All that CO2 on "liftoff"...

Texeme.Construct(Participant)



]]> NASA?


How about banning the Shuttle and Space Station?

All that CO2 on "liftoff"...

Texeme.Construct(Participant)



]]> Comment #5 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-for-the-plebes/ Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:47:48 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-for-the-plebes/5 Plebes? How About Them Patricians??!


MIT Study says Bill Gates 10,000 more polluting than Average Joe!!

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/environment/2008/04/even ...

Consider the American lifestyles that the students looked at. One was led by what they dubbed a "Bill Gates approximation". Their supervisor, mechanical engineer Timothy Gutowski, says they didn't approach the real Gates for the project, as the Microsoft co-founder and multibillionaire probably would not "end up looking good". Gutowski was right. According to estimates based on the lifestyle Gates leads, his energy use is 10,000 times the global average.

Texeme.Construct(Participant)



]]> Plebes? How About Them Patricians??!


MIT Study says Bill Gates 10,000 more polluting than Average Joe!!

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/environment/2008/04/even ...

Consider the American lifestyles that the students looked at. One was led by what they dubbed a "Bill Gates approximation". Their supervisor, mechanical engineer Timothy Gutowski, says they didn't approach the real Gates for the project, as the Microsoft co-founder and multibillionaire probably would not "end up looking good". Gutowski was right. According to estimates based on the lifestyle Gates leads, his energy use is 10,000 times the global average.

Texeme.Construct(Participant)



]]> Comment #6 by wmanny http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-for-the-plebes/ Wed, 07 May 2008 04:23:48 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/hansen-for-the-plebes/6 Hansen

I don't see Hansen as the "the nation's top climate scientist".  He may be the loudest, and to his credit he put his money where his mouth was in 1988 with his influential temperature scenarios, but those scenarios have proven to be inaccurate, to say the least.  Hansen still insists we should listen to his latest projections, when the record shows nobody has been able to accurately predict [chaotic] climate change.

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I don't see Hansen as the "the nation's top climate scientist".  He may be the loudest, and to his credit he put his money where his mouth was in 1988 with his influential temperature scenarios, but those scenarios have proven to be inaccurate, to say the least.  Hansen still insists we should listen to his latest projections, when the record shows nobody has been able to accurately predict [chaotic] climate change.

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