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            <title>Comment #1 by NonprofitWatch</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/greens-actually-change-someones-mind/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:45:41 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>this-should-also-be-pondered<p><br>
"they want to see free allocations to emitters phased out over time"

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				<p><strong>this-should-also-be-pondered<p><br>
"they want to see free allocations to emitters phased out over time"

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            <title>Comment #2 by David Roberts</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:54:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>That's what USCAP wants</strong></p><p>

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				<p><strong>That's what USCAP wants</strong></p><p>

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            <title>Comment #3 by AndyFrankGO</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:54:34 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Revenue Neutral</strong></p><p>Lower payroll or sales taxes, with maybe a small chunk (~10%-20%) of revenue going to energy/carbon research. &nbsp;Best chance for success in my mind...</p>
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				<p><strong>Revenue Neutral</strong></p><p>Lower payroll or sales taxes, with maybe a small chunk (~10%-20%) of revenue going to energy/carbon research. &nbsp;Best chance for success in my mind...</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Billhook</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:15:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Efficacy has Priority</strong></p><p>David, I think you overlook the probability that<br>
"Senators whose views are going to be important"<br>
will include some who are honestly appalled at the climate predicament we now face,<br>
and who recognize that the Grandfathering of permits wholly undermines the efficacy of "Cap, Allocate &amp; Trade."</p><p>
The means of allocation is plainly crucial to that efficacy, and there must, surely, be senators who see this fact ?</p><p>
That allocation by auction is merely a refined version of grandfathering seems hardly to be considered thus far, even here on Grist, which seems rather pathetic.</p><p>
For example, what price per ton of CO2-permit can Texaco afford, when competing with say the village scale "Shenandoah Coppice Energy Company" ?</p><p>
The alternative, the per capita allocation of tradeable CO2-permits known here as "Tradeable Carbon Quotas," can help to transcend this perverse outcome of permits' auctioning, in that people will, to an extent, favour more sustainable enterprises.</p><p>
Is Grist really too defeatist even to discuss this option seriously ?</p><p>
Regards,</p><p>
Bill</br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Efficacy has Priority</strong></p><p>David, I think you overlook the probability that<br>
"Senators whose views are going to be important"<br>
will include some who are honestly appalled at the climate predicament we now face,<br>
and who recognize that the Grandfathering of permits wholly undermines the efficacy of "Cap, Allocate &amp; Trade."</p><p>
The means of allocation is plainly crucial to that efficacy, and there must, surely, be senators who see this fact ?</p><p>
That allocation by auction is merely a refined version of grandfathering seems hardly to be considered thus far, even here on Grist, which seems rather pathetic.</p><p>
For example, what price per ton of CO2-permit can Texaco afford, when competing with say the village scale "Shenandoah Coppice Energy Company" ?</p><p>
The alternative, the per capita allocation of tradeable CO2-permits known here as "Tradeable Carbon Quotas," can help to transcend this perverse outcome of permits' auctioning, in that people will, to an extent, favour more sustainable enterprises.</p><p>
Is Grist really too defeatist even to discuss this option seriously ?</p><p>
Regards,</p><p>
Bill</br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by NonprofitWatch</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/greens-actually-change-someones-mind/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:20:18 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>re:That's what USCAP wants<p><br>
Well I'd like to think that others aren't game for a phased in auction system<p>
by the way,in case it's not been obvious,I don't hold much regard for the integrity or judgement of the leading enviros backing USCAP.<p>
:)

<p>bernardo issel - <a href="http://www.NonprofitWatch.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.NonprofitWatch.org -
bernardo (at) NonprofitWatch.org
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				<p><strong>re:That's what USCAP wants<p><br>
Well I'd like to think that others aren't game for a phased in auction system<p>
by the way,in case it's not been obvious,I don't hold much regard for the integrity or judgement of the leading enviros backing USCAP.<p>
:)

<p>bernardo issel - <a href="http://www.NonprofitWatch.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.NonprofitWatch.org -
bernardo (at) NonprofitWatch.org
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            <title>Comment #6 by sindark</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/greens-actually-change-someones-mind/</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:30:43 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>How to spend the cash<p>"if they're auctioned, what should be done with the revenue?"<p>
I would say:<p>


Put 3/4 into an independently administered fund that produces near-term emission reductions that would not occur under Business-as-Usual.<p>
Put 1/4 into an adapatation and emergency fund.



<p><a href="http://www.sindark.com" rel="nofollow">a sibilant intake of breath</a></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>How to spend the cash<p>"if they're auctioned, what should be done with the revenue?"<p>
I would say:<p>


Put 3/4 into an independently administered fund that produces near-term emission reductions that would not occur under Business-as-Usual.<p>
Put 1/4 into an adapatation and emergency fund.



<p><a href="http://www.sindark.com" rel="nofollow">a sibilant intake of breath</a></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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