<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for China’s central government faces a choice between democracy and eco-collapse]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by sindark http://www.grist.org/article/green-movements-or-green-paint/ Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:48:25 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/green-movements-or-green-paint/1 Temporary upticks

There is another face to the authoritarian coin. The upcoming Beijing Olympics shows how a government not subject to democratic scrutiny can choose to be very active at curbing pollution. Of course, it is likely to do so in ways that violate the rights of citizens. Also, any improvement to Beijing's air is unlikely to last for long.

a sibilant intake of breath

]]> Temporary upticks

There is another face to the authoritarian coin. The upcoming Beijing Olympics shows how a government not subject to democratic scrutiny can choose to be very active at curbing pollution. Of course, it is likely to do so in ways that violate the rights of citizens. Also, any improvement to Beijing's air is unlikely to last for long.

a sibilant intake of breath

]]> Comment #2 by Jon Rynn http://www.grist.org/article/green-movements-or-green-paint/ Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:07:07 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/green-movements-or-green-paint/2 The olympics...

...seem to be the only time the central government really cares about pollution, and then, only temporarily, as commenters have pointed out.

]]> The olympics...

...seem to be the only time the central government really cares about pollution, and then, only temporarily, as commenters have pointed out.

]]> Comment #3 by Its GEtting Hot in Here http://www.grist.org/article/green-movements-or-green-paint/ Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:51:19 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/green-movements-or-green-paint/3 How can China go Green?

China cannot go green, in other words, without political change. - This is the critical sentence.

We have to look at our role in turning China into an Environmental sacrifice zone for the global economy.

Read our response to this issue:
In China, Global Environmental Injustice Kills Millions.
http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/08/26/in-china-global ...

Also, our vision of how to get there!
The New Development
http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/08/27/the-new-develop ...

Check out dispatches from the youth climate movement: http://www.itsgettinghotinhere.org/





]]> How can China go Green?

China cannot go green, in other words, without political change. - This is the critical sentence.

We have to look at our role in turning China into an Environmental sacrifice zone for the global economy.

Read our response to this issue:
In China, Global Environmental Injustice Kills Millions.
http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/08/26/in-china-global ...

Also, our vision of how to get there!
The New Development
http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/08/27/the-new-develop ...

Check out dispatches from the youth climate movement: http://www.itsgettinghotinhere.org/





]]> Comment #4 by Jon Rynn http://www.grist.org/article/green-movements-or-green-paint/ Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:06:40 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/green-movements-or-green-paint/4 Thanks,

You have a great site, and those links were well worth reading

]]> Thanks,

You have a great site, and those links were well worth reading

]]> Comment #5 by Its GEtting Hot in Here http://www.grist.org/article/green-movements-or-green-paint/ Tue, 28 Aug 2007 04:57:38 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/green-movements-or-green-paint/5 Thanks a lot!

I really appreciate that!

-Richard Graves

Check out dispatches from the youth climate movement: http://www.itsgettinghotinhere.org/

]]> Thanks a lot!

I really appreciate that!

-Richard Graves

Check out dispatches from the youth climate movement: http://www.itsgettinghotinhere.org/

]]> Comment #6 by Colin Wright http://www.grist.org/article/green-movements-or-green-paint/ Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:34:21 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/green-movements-or-green-paint/6 The difficulty of looking in the mirror?

I'd second what Jon said: those are two great essays (with intelligent comments too). I agree that we need to develop new visons of sustainable, community-oriented development that apply both here and in the third world. And that it's hypocritical for a country like ours that hasn't signed on to Kyoto to criticize a country that has. (Not that we shouldn't offer support to emerging democratic voices wherever they arise.)

Do we really want to promote a car(bon)-based, unequal and alienated society to the rest of the developing world? We need to invent new models of sustainability here. Then find ways to support third world development by exporting the advanced technology and knowledge that the developing world needs to bring their peoples out of poverty, sustainably. (Of course, it's a little ironic that we are importing wind turbines from India!)  

It would be good to see some of these "youth voices" regularly blogging at grist, especially since youth have often been at the forefront of change.

]]> The difficulty of looking in the mirror?

I'd second what Jon said: those are two great essays (with intelligent comments too). I agree that we need to develop new visons of sustainable, community-oriented development that apply both here and in the third world. And that it's hypocritical for a country like ours that hasn't signed on to Kyoto to criticize a country that has. (Not that we shouldn't offer support to emerging democratic voices wherever they arise.)

Do we really want to promote a car(bon)-based, unequal and alienated society to the rest of the developing world? We need to invent new models of sustainability here. Then find ways to support third world development by exporting the advanced technology and knowledge that the developing world needs to bring their peoples out of poverty, sustainably. (Of course, it's a little ironic that we are importing wind turbines from India!)  

It would be good to see some of these "youth voices" regularly blogging at grist, especially since youth have often been at the forefront of change.

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