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            <title>Comment #1 by amc89</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:03:40 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>measure on horse racing in MD</strong></p><p>Let's wish everybody working on protecting farm animal welfare, the environment and rural communities in California good luck with Proposition 2. Hopefully it will be the start of factory farming reforms across North America and we can finally catch up to the standards for farm animals in much of Europe. </p><p>
Another ballot question relating to animal cruelty is Question 2 in Maryland that covers slot machines. It's mainly horse racing industries that are supporting it, as their industry in the state is suffering and they need slots to prop up their "sport." &nbsp;I'm not too fond of gambling, but the main reason I'm against the measure is my opposition to the cruelty inherent in horse racing. &nbsp;The horses experience high rates of injury and when they can't compete any more they're often shipped thousands of miles to Texas or Illinois, the location of the only 3 horse slaughterhouses in the country. Or sometimes they're sent to Canada or Mexico slaughterhouses. &nbsp; </p>
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				<p><strong>measure on horse racing in MD</strong></p><p>Let's wish everybody working on protecting farm animal welfare, the environment and rural communities in California good luck with Proposition 2. Hopefully it will be the start of factory farming reforms across North America and we can finally catch up to the standards for farm animals in much of Europe. </p><p>
Another ballot question relating to animal cruelty is Question 2 in Maryland that covers slot machines. It's mainly horse racing industries that are supporting it, as their industry in the state is suffering and they need slots to prop up their "sport." &nbsp;I'm not too fond of gambling, but the main reason I'm against the measure is my opposition to the cruelty inherent in horse racing. &nbsp;The horses experience high rates of injury and when they can't compete any more they're often shipped thousands of miles to Texas or Illinois, the location of the only 3 horse slaughterhouses in the country. Or sometimes they're sent to Canada or Mexico slaughterhouses. &nbsp; </p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by redambrosia99</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 02:05:35 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>WA I-985</strong></p><p>This initiative was basically put forth by people who want to drive in the carpool lanes all the time. &nbsp;It failed in the legislator so they brought it to us.</p><p>
The problem with it is that it would clog up the carpool lanes most of the time, preventing busses from getting through. &nbsp;Really, that's the best use of those lanes, for buses. &nbsp;They allow them to get to their destinations on time.</p><p>
This is one of those initiatives that plays to people's lazy, greedy sides. &nbsp;Seriously, if you want to drive in those lanes, just a get a passenger. &nbsp;You only need 2 people in a car for it.</p>
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				<p><strong>WA I-985</strong></p><p>This initiative was basically put forth by people who want to drive in the carpool lanes all the time. &nbsp;It failed in the legislator so they brought it to us.</p><p>
The problem with it is that it would clog up the carpool lanes most of the time, preventing busses from getting through. &nbsp;Really, that's the best use of those lanes, for buses. &nbsp;They allow them to get to their destinations on time.</p><p>
This is one of those initiatives that plays to people's lazy, greedy sides. &nbsp;Seriously, if you want to drive in those lanes, just a get a passenger. &nbsp;You only need 2 people in a car for it.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Wolverine</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:36:35 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>CA 7 &amp; San Francisco H</strong></p><p>These initiatives should not be conflated as they were in this blog ("Like Proposition 7," "as with Prop. 7"). &nbsp;Prop 7 is a bad initiative that's opposed by all the enviro good guys, while Prop H in SF is supported by them. &nbsp;The San Francisco Chronicle, Gavin Newsom, and Diane Feinstein are all shills for corporate SF and Pacific Gas &amp; Electric, so of course they oppose Prop H.</p>
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				<p><strong>CA 7 &amp; San Francisco H</strong></p><p>These initiatives should not be conflated as they were in this blog ("Like Proposition 7," "as with Prop. 7"). &nbsp;Prop 7 is a bad initiative that's opposed by all the enviro good guys, while Prop H in SF is supported by them. &nbsp;The San Francisco Chronicle, Gavin Newsom, and Diane Feinstein are all shills for corporate SF and Pacific Gas &amp; Electric, so of course they oppose Prop H.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Backcut</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:45:00 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I Know!!!<p>Let's put together a ballot initiative to eliminate Hetch Hetchy Reservoir (and restore the valley), force San Franciscans to build a desalinization plant and to give up their Sacred Yosemite Water. <p>
Of course, the cost must be passed on to Frisco water users...heh

<p>Scenic pics at <a href="http://Lhfotoware.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://Lhfotoware.blogspot.com</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>I Know!!!<p>Let's put together a ballot initiative to eliminate Hetch Hetchy Reservoir (and restore the valley), force San Franciscans to build a desalinization plant and to give up their Sacred Yosemite Water. <p>
Of course, the cost must be passed on to Frisco water users...heh

<p>Scenic pics at <a href="http://Lhfotoware.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://Lhfotoware.blogspot.com</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by kfong</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:17:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Prop 7<p>A forgotten or perhaps overlooked link regarding Prop. 7.<p>
<a href="http://confusedinsolarcalifornia.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://confusedinsolarcalifornia.blogspot.com<p>
Wolverine,<p>
you have mistaken the enviro bad guys as good guys.<p>
NRDC - founder John Bryson, current CEO of Souther California Edison &nbsp;(talk about utility shill)<p>
Sierra Club - endorses chemical company clorox, for an undisclosed amount of money....what is the cost of selling out anyways?<p>
Ralph Cavanagh - stands up and pushes Enron's "environmental stewardship" &nbsp;oh whoops, Portland Gas and Electric taken over, employees cut, and power sold to California. &nbsp;Oh whoops again, CA energy deregulation with rocket rates. &nbsp;thanks Ralph, thanks Enron.<p>
And other notable connections between good enviros and utility shills:<p>
CA Foundation on the Environment and the Economy <br>
Board of Directors <br>
NRDC, Sheryl Carter - Vice Chairman <br>
Southern California Edison, CEO, Alan Fohrer <br>
Environmental Defense, Thomas Graff <br>
Union of Concerned Scientists, Amy Lynd Luers <br>
PG &amp; E Sr. Vice President, Nancy McFadden <br>
Contributions Received from UtilitiesPG &amp; E - $40,000 (2006) <p>
Alliance to Save Energy <br>
Board of Directors <br>
NRDC President, Frances Beinecke - ASE BOD <br>
Southern California Edison, John Fielder <br>
Pacific Gas &amp; Electric, William T. Morrow <br>
Contributions Received from UtilitiesPG &amp; E - $80,000 (2005 - 2006) <p>
Center for Energy Efficiency and Renewable Technologies <br>
Board of Directors <br>
GE Generation VP of Legislative and Regulatory Affairs (former); MidAmerican Energy Holdings Co. (former), Jonathan M. Weisgall - CEERT Board President. <br>
Sempra/SDG&amp;E (former); Calpine (former); Edison Mission Energy (former), Deborah Reyes - CEERT Board Member. <br>
Enron (former), Robert T. Boyd - CEERT Board Member. <br>
NRDC, Ralph Cavanagh, Board Member. <br>
FPL Energy, Diane Fellman, Board Member <br>
Environmental Defense, Karen Douglas, Board Member <br>
Union of Concerned Scientists, Clifford Chen, Board Member <p>
Know who's not connected to the utilities? &nbsp;Every supporter of Prop. 7.</p></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p></br></br></br></br></br></p></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Prop 7<p>A forgotten or perhaps overlooked link regarding Prop. 7.<p>
<a href="http://confusedinsolarcalifornia.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://confusedinsolarcalifornia.blogspot.com<p>
Wolverine,<p>
you have mistaken the enviro bad guys as good guys.<p>
NRDC - founder John Bryson, current CEO of Souther California Edison &nbsp;(talk about utility shill)<p>
Sierra Club - endorses chemical company clorox, for an undisclosed amount of money....what is the cost of selling out anyways?<p>
Ralph Cavanagh - stands up and pushes Enron's "environmental stewardship" &nbsp;oh whoops, Portland Gas and Electric taken over, employees cut, and power sold to California. &nbsp;Oh whoops again, CA energy deregulation with rocket rates. &nbsp;thanks Ralph, thanks Enron.<p>
And other notable connections between good enviros and utility shills:<p>
CA Foundation on the Environment and the Economy <br>
Board of Directors <br>
NRDC, Sheryl Carter - Vice Chairman <br>
Southern California Edison, CEO, Alan Fohrer <br>
Environmental Defense, Thomas Graff <br>
Union of Concerned Scientists, Amy Lynd Luers <br>
PG &amp; E Sr. Vice President, Nancy McFadden <br>
Contributions Received from UtilitiesPG &amp; E - $40,000 (2006) <p>
Alliance to Save Energy <br>
Board of Directors <br>
NRDC President, Frances Beinecke - ASE BOD <br>
Southern California Edison, John Fielder <br>
Pacific Gas &amp; Electric, William T. Morrow <br>
Contributions Received from UtilitiesPG &amp; E - $80,000 (2005 - 2006) <p>
Center for Energy Efficiency and Renewable Technologies <br>
Board of Directors <br>
GE Generation VP of Legislative and Regulatory Affairs (former); MidAmerican Energy Holdings Co. (former), Jonathan M. Weisgall - CEERT Board President. <br>
Sempra/SDG&amp;E (former); Calpine (former); Edison Mission Energy (former), Deborah Reyes - CEERT Board Member. <br>
Enron (former), Robert T. Boyd - CEERT Board Member. <br>
NRDC, Ralph Cavanagh, Board Member. <br>
FPL Energy, Diane Fellman, Board Member <br>
Environmental Defense, Karen Douglas, Board Member <br>
Union of Concerned Scientists, Clifford Chen, Board Member <p>
Know who's not connected to the utilities? &nbsp;Every supporter of Prop. 7.</p></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p></br></br></br></br></br></p></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by mdwalsh</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:05:18 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Minnesota Clean Water, Land and Legacy Act<p><a href="http://www.yesformn.org/?gclid=CPLh5szg1pYCFSMeDQodrg3i2Q" rel="nofollow">http://www.yesformn.org/?gclid=CPLh5szg1pYCFSMeDQodrg3i2Q ...<p>
This is a constitutional amendment in Minnesota that would pass a 3/8% sales tax that would go towards funding lake and river clean up, state parks, trails, art centers, and a whole bunch of other good things. It is supported by many groups including Ducks Unlimited, Pheasants Forever, the Guthrie Theater and hundreds of other arts and outdoors organizations.<p>
The one problem with this ballot measure: if you don't vote, it counts as a 'no'. Vote Yes for MN!</p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Minnesota Clean Water, Land and Legacy Act<p><a href="http://www.yesformn.org/?gclid=CPLh5szg1pYCFSMeDQodrg3i2Q" rel="nofollow">http://www.yesformn.org/?gclid=CPLh5szg1pYCFSMeDQodrg3i2Q ...<p>
This is a constitutional amendment in Minnesota that would pass a 3/8% sales tax that would go towards funding lake and river clean up, state parks, trails, art centers, and a whole bunch of other good things. It is supported by many groups including Ducks Unlimited, Pheasants Forever, the Guthrie Theater and hundreds of other arts and outdoors organizations.<p>
The one problem with this ballot measure: if you don't vote, it counts as a 'no'. Vote Yes for MN!</p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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