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            <title>Comment #1 by Sam Wells</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/goodell-coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race/</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:53:22 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>TXU and Syn Gas</strong></p><p>Can somebody help me out here? &nbsp;There is a law case against TXU down here in Texas - don't worry I'm not trolling here and was rejected for the plaintiffs or the defendants - but the enviros are claiming that synthetic or coal gasification would be the answer, as opposed to burning crushed coal. &nbsp;That preplexed me, as it seemed like that process, which involves cooking coal with - ahem - more coal could actually create MORE emissions. &nbsp;Then I asked about all the solid waste and was kicked out of the Texas shoot out, for which I was very grateful.</p><p>
What say ye?</p><p>
This is something that The Grist should follow because the TX Governor has "fast-tracked" the coal permits, but switching to a different fuel or process would involve completely new permit applications. &nbsp;PLus, Texas Legislature just started it's biennial session. &nbsp;</p><p>
I tried and tried to say the Syn-Gas and CO2 evaluation was wrong, but apparently telling the enviros what to do is sometimes like barking up a tree, even if things are at best questionable. &nbsp;Dang, and here I thought I was a progressive liberal. &nbsp;Combined cycle gas with 2007 BACT and LAER, anyone? &nbsp;/Sammie

<p>Onward through the fog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>TXU and Syn Gas</strong></p><p>Can somebody help me out here? &nbsp;There is a law case against TXU down here in Texas - don't worry I'm not trolling here and was rejected for the plaintiffs or the defendants - but the enviros are claiming that synthetic or coal gasification would be the answer, as opposed to burning crushed coal. &nbsp;That preplexed me, as it seemed like that process, which involves cooking coal with - ahem - more coal could actually create MORE emissions. &nbsp;Then I asked about all the solid waste and was kicked out of the Texas shoot out, for which I was very grateful.</p><p>
What say ye?</p><p>
This is something that The Grist should follow because the TX Governor has "fast-tracked" the coal permits, but switching to a different fuel or process would involve completely new permit applications. &nbsp;PLus, Texas Legislature just started it's biennial session. &nbsp;</p><p>
I tried and tried to say the Syn-Gas and CO2 evaluation was wrong, but apparently telling the enviros what to do is sometimes like barking up a tree, even if things are at best questionable. &nbsp;Dang, and here I thought I was a progressive liberal. &nbsp;Combined cycle gas with 2007 BACT and LAER, anyone? &nbsp;/Sammie

<p>Onward through the fog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by bookerly</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/goodell-coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race/</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 19:05:29 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Coal may be the enemy</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;But when you're starving, you'll sup with the devil and hope your spoon is long enough.</p><p>
patrick</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Coal may be the enemy</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;But when you're starving, you'll sup with the devil and hope your spoon is long enough.</p><p>
patrick</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:07:46 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The best way to derail this nightmare</strong></p><p>&nbsp; Thinking about the push for coal despite the rapidly mounting evidence of climate disruption, I realized last night that the utilities are being motivated in part by two things:</p><p>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1) A desire to secure as many carbon allowances as possible by building as much CO2-producing capacity as possible before that ship sails.</p><p>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2) A belief that regulators and legislatures will respond to carbon caps and limits with stranded cost relief for the utilities.</p><p>
&nbsp; In other words, I think utilities are confident that they can build big coal burners on a no-risk, no-lose basis. &nbsp;Sink a billion or two into coal burners, get a great bump on your rate base, and if anything hampers the operation of the plants, sell the carbon allowances you grabbed by building all that capacity--and then demand that regulators provide stranded cost recovery because they approved construction.</p><p>
&nbsp; I suggest that the best thing that concerned environmentalists can do today is to pressure their legislatures and state regulators to adopt a clear and unambiguous policy, to wit:</p><p>
=&gt; Utilities building coal plants do so at their own risk, and </p><p>
=&gt; There will never be any stranded cost protection or relief provided if (WHEN) they are not allowed to operate or their operation is constrained by carbon caps.</p>
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				<p><strong>The best way to derail this nightmare</strong></p><p>&nbsp; Thinking about the push for coal despite the rapidly mounting evidence of climate disruption, I realized last night that the utilities are being motivated in part by two things:</p><p>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1) A desire to secure as many carbon allowances as possible by building as much CO2-producing capacity as possible before that ship sails.</p><p>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2) A belief that regulators and legislatures will respond to carbon caps and limits with stranded cost relief for the utilities.</p><p>
&nbsp; In other words, I think utilities are confident that they can build big coal burners on a no-risk, no-lose basis. &nbsp;Sink a billion or two into coal burners, get a great bump on your rate base, and if anything hampers the operation of the plants, sell the carbon allowances you grabbed by building all that capacity--and then demand that regulators provide stranded cost recovery because they approved construction.</p><p>
&nbsp; I suggest that the best thing that concerned environmentalists can do today is to pressure their legislatures and state regulators to adopt a clear and unambiguous policy, to wit:</p><p>
=&gt; Utilities building coal plants do so at their own risk, and </p><p>
=&gt; There will never be any stranded cost protection or relief provided if (WHEN) they are not allowed to operate or their operation is constrained by carbon caps.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by wacki</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/goodell-coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:43:17 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>wow....... spin</strong></p><p><b>Texas already dumps more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than any other state in the nation.</b></p><p>
I love the anti-texas sentiment. &nbsp;Lets see Texas is:</p><p>


The second largest population in the US<br>
A major center for oil production, importation, and refining<br>
A major source of livestock (see the FDA's long shadow)</p><p>


Gee, I wonder why it is #1 for CO2. &nbsp;There are reporters that try to solve problems. &nbsp;And there are reporters that try to make people "hate the other guy".</br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>wow....... spin</strong></p><p><b>Texas already dumps more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere than any other state in the nation.</b></p><p>
I love the anti-texas sentiment. &nbsp;Lets see Texas is:</p><p>


The second largest population in the US<br>
A major center for oil production, importation, and refining<br>
A major source of livestock (see the FDA's long shadow)</p><p>


Gee, I wonder why it is #1 for CO2. &nbsp;There are reporters that try to solve problems. &nbsp;And there are reporters that try to make people "hate the other guy".</br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by jeffgoodell</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/goodell-coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race/</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:25:07 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Texas energy hogs<p>I'm a little late in getting to this, but happy to respond to comments on my Rolling Stone article.<p>
JMG, you nailed it. &nbsp;That is exactly what's going on.<p>
Wacki, I've got nothing against Texas. &nbsp;But the fact is, the state's CO2 emissions are high because Texans are fossil fuel hogs -- and you can't explain it away because of size of state, population, and industry. &nbsp;Check out the DOE chart below -- Texas is number one in coal consumption, number five in per capita energy cosumption, etc. Contrast with CA, another big state, but with half the per capita consumption. &nbsp;<p>
<a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/states/sep_sum/plain_html/rank_use_per_cap.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/states/sep_sum/plain_html/ran...</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Texas energy hogs<p>I'm a little late in getting to this, but happy to respond to comments on my Rolling Stone article.<p>
JMG, you nailed it. &nbsp;That is exactly what's going on.<p>
Wacki, I've got nothing against Texas. &nbsp;But the fact is, the state's CO2 emissions are high because Texans are fossil fuel hogs -- and you can't explain it away because of size of state, population, and industry. &nbsp;Check out the DOE chart below -- Texas is number one in coal consumption, number five in per capita energy cosumption, etc. Contrast with CA, another big state, but with half the per capita consumption. &nbsp;<p>
<a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/states/sep_sum/plain_html/rank_use_per_cap.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/states/sep_sum/plain_html/ran...</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by amazingdrx</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/goodell-coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race/</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 02:06:01 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Number one in wind power</strong></p><p>Too. &nbsp;Texan irony. &nbsp;The utility customers are clamoring for wind because it's cheaper and green, but the back log in wind machine orders is slowing the switch. &nbsp;In steps coal. &nbsp;To fill the gap.</p><p>
Mass production of very large wind machines is a top priority for this energy re-evolution.</p><p>
The position of governor in Texas is strictly ceremonial, it has almost no authority. &nbsp;Yet obama is seem as lacking experrience? &nbsp;The village idiot in chief got zero experience at governance as head cowboy.</p><p>
Another irony. &nbsp;Bush has solar panels and a geothermal heating system at the "ranch".</p><p>
Texas, it's like a whole other country. &nbsp;Or countries. &nbsp;It executes minority prisoners willy-nilly and yet its capitol Austin is a bastion of progressive energy and music.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Number one in wind power</strong></p><p>Too. &nbsp;Texan irony. &nbsp;The utility customers are clamoring for wind because it's cheaper and green, but the back log in wind machine orders is slowing the switch. &nbsp;In steps coal. &nbsp;To fill the gap.</p><p>
Mass production of very large wind machines is a top priority for this energy re-evolution.</p><p>
The position of governor in Texas is strictly ceremonial, it has almost no authority. &nbsp;Yet obama is seem as lacking experrience? &nbsp;The village idiot in chief got zero experience at governance as head cowboy.</p><p>
Another irony. &nbsp;Bush has solar panels and a geothermal heating system at the "ranch".</p><p>
Texas, it's like a whole other country. &nbsp;Or countries. &nbsp;It executes minority prisoners willy-nilly and yet its capitol Austin is a bastion of progressive energy and music.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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