<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Ship crashes in San Francisco Bay, leaks 58,000 gallons of oil]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by viejonico http://www.grist.org/article/gnarly-sheen/ Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:29:10 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/gnarly-sheen/1 Remember Exxon Valdez?

It is about time somebody does something to make freight vessels clean up their act.

This oil fuel leaks are unacceptable. This type of spill makes headlines because of where it happened. Only God knows what happens in the high seas.

Freighters are also a danger to marine mammals, particularly to whales. Far too many die as a result of collisions.

This needs to stop now!

]]> Remember Exxon Valdez?

It is about time somebody does something to make freight vessels clean up their act.

This oil fuel leaks are unacceptable. This type of spill makes headlines because of where it happened. Only God knows what happens in the high seas.

Freighters are also a danger to marine mammals, particularly to whales. Far too many die as a result of collisions.

This needs to stop now!

]]> Comment #2 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/gnarly-sheen/ Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:47:50 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/gnarly-sheen/2 Interesting to note

Exxon still hasn't paid any damages for the Exxon Valdez spill.

Why? Because they don't want to set a precedent of actually paying for damages.

]]> Interesting to note

Exxon still hasn't paid any damages for the Exxon Valdez spill.

Why? Because they don't want to set a precedent of actually paying for damages.

]]> Comment #3 by Nucbuddy http://www.grist.org/article/gnarly-sheen/ Sun, 11 Nov 2007 01:22:56 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/gnarly-sheen/3 Exxon Valdez damage-payments

GreyFlcn wrote: Exxon still hasn't paid any damages for the Exxon Valdez spill.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill#Litigation

Exxon spent an estimated $2 billion cleaning up the spill, along with a further $1 billion to settle civil and criminal charges related to the case.

Regarding the 1994 Baker vs. Exxon case (same link):

Exxon [...] appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, which on October 29, 2007 has agreed to decide whether Exxon Mobil Corp. should pay the $2.5 billion in punitive damages. The case will likely be heard in the spring of 2008.


]]> Exxon Valdez damage-payments

GreyFlcn wrote: Exxon still hasn't paid any damages for the Exxon Valdez spill.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill#Litigation

Exxon spent an estimated $2 billion cleaning up the spill, along with a further $1 billion to settle civil and criminal charges related to the case.

Regarding the 1994 Baker vs. Exxon case (same link):

Exxon [...] appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, which on October 29, 2007 has agreed to decide whether Exxon Mobil Corp. should pay the $2.5 billion in punitive damages. The case will likely be heard in the spring of 2008.


]]> Comment #4 by Nucbuddy http://www.grist.org/article/gnarly-sheen/ Sun, 11 Nov 2007 06:15:27 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/gnarly-sheen/4 Russian oil tanker breaks in two

In other news:
news.google.com/news?q=Russian+oil+tanker

Five-metre (16-feet) high waves smashed apart a Russian tanker on Sunday, spilling 1300 tonnes of fuel oil into the Black Sea in what a Russian official said was an "environmental disaster."


]]> Russian oil tanker breaks in two

In other news:
news.google.com/news?q=Russian+oil+tanker

Five-metre (16-feet) high waves smashed apart a Russian tanker on Sunday, spilling 1300 tonnes of fuel oil into the Black Sea in what a Russian official said was an "environmental disaster."


]]> Comment #5 by chuck kottke http://www.grist.org/article/gnarly-sheen/ Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:28:32 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/gnarly-sheen/5 Bunkers of biomass would only leave driftwood..

  I was just thinking to myself..  Hmm- what else is risky about petroleum - ship collisions that spill it!  And sure enough, here's another..
  Bunker fuel is heavy stuff - come out near the bottom of the column in the refinery; it takes serious high-compression engines, and pre-heating just to run an engine on it.  
  Now, if that ship were powered by biofuel in its rawest form - lets say fuel pellets made from sawdust or switchgrass; or even just small wood chunks - what would be the worst?  Lots of bits of driftwood?  Hmm.. now there's fuel for thought!

]]> Bunkers of biomass would only leave driftwood..

  I was just thinking to myself..  Hmm- what else is risky about petroleum - ship collisions that spill it!  And sure enough, here's another..
  Bunker fuel is heavy stuff - come out near the bottom of the column in the refinery; it takes serious high-compression engines, and pre-heating just to run an engine on it.  
  Now, if that ship were powered by biofuel in its rawest form - lets say fuel pellets made from sawdust or switchgrass; or even just small wood chunks - what would be the worst?  Lots of bits of driftwood?  Hmm.. now there's fuel for thought!

]]> Comment #6 by chuck kottke http://www.grist.org/article/gnarly-sheen/ Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:35:05 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/gnarly-sheen/6 Hybrid ships

If we're shipping stuff all over the world, and there's a steady breeze some days - why not put out some sails?  I think, unless you're running a tight schedule, this makes good sense - save the energy for low wind days..
  Yes, oil is risky stuff!  If we factor in these ugly externalities, it might not look so cheap..  How do you undo the damage?  No real way - once it's spilled; it's there.  - better to not run the risk, and change sooner!!

]]> Hybrid ships

If we're shipping stuff all over the world, and there's a steady breeze some days - why not put out some sails?  I think, unless you're running a tight schedule, this makes good sense - save the energy for low wind days..
  Yes, oil is risky stuff!  If we factor in these ugly externalities, it might not look so cheap..  How do you undo the damage?  No real way - once it's spilled; it's there.  - better to not run the risk, and change sooner!!

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