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            <title>Comment #1 by Geoff Dabelko</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/global-warming-and-natural-disasters/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:57:42 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Environment vs development<p>Steve Malloy of <a href="JunkScience.com" rel="nofollow">junkscience.com expresses <a href="http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20050105-083002-5490r.htm" rel="nofollow">similar outrage about environmentalists linking climate change and the tsunamis. &nbsp;He claims insurance company Munich Re is making similar links although doesn't tell you where or how.<p>
But the latter parts of Malloy's column speak to Dave's comments about environmentalists' susceptibility to critique for being single-mindedly focused on climate change. &nbsp;Malloy lambasts environmentalists for being anti-development and impeding efforts to address poverty in developing countries. &nbsp;There is the twisted possibility of converging arguments from those who love unfettered growth in the north and those who want to develop to survive in the south. You can begin to see the PR disaster potential with greens portrayed as more concerned about possible sea level rise horrors decades hence while dirty water and mosquitos provide real body counts today (2-3 million per year presently for just the diarrhea types, majority of which are children).<p>
He also cites banning the use of DDT to kill malaria-carrying mosquitos as a further example of environmentalist's missing the forest for the trees. &nbsp;Picking your poison in this equation may actually mean do I die early or do I die later. &nbsp;Perhaps Gristmill contributor Pete Myers, the real environmental health expert, could provide nuance to two bad choices. &nbsp;

<p>Geoff Dabelko</p></p></p></a></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Environment vs development<p>Steve Malloy of <a href="JunkScience.com" rel="nofollow">junkscience.com expresses <a href="http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20050105-083002-5490r.htm" rel="nofollow">similar outrage about environmentalists linking climate change and the tsunamis. &nbsp;He claims insurance company Munich Re is making similar links although doesn't tell you where or how.<p>
But the latter parts of Malloy's column speak to Dave's comments about environmentalists' susceptibility to critique for being single-mindedly focused on climate change. &nbsp;Malloy lambasts environmentalists for being anti-development and impeding efforts to address poverty in developing countries. &nbsp;There is the twisted possibility of converging arguments from those who love unfettered growth in the north and those who want to develop to survive in the south. You can begin to see the PR disaster potential with greens portrayed as more concerned about possible sea level rise horrors decades hence while dirty water and mosquitos provide real body counts today (2-3 million per year presently for just the diarrhea types, majority of which are children).<p>
He also cites banning the use of DDT to kill malaria-carrying mosquitos as a further example of environmentalist's missing the forest for the trees. &nbsp;Picking your poison in this equation may actually mean do I die early or do I die later. &nbsp;Perhaps Gristmill contributor Pete Myers, the real environmental health expert, could provide nuance to two bad choices. &nbsp;

<p>Geoff Dabelko</p></p></p></a></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Paul</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/global-warming-and-natural-disasters/</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:57:55 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Climate Change and Tsunamis</strong></p><p>Subject: Comment on Question for D.Helvarg</p><p>
A reader asked the following:</p><p>
Is there any conceivable connection between atmospheric behavior and </p><p>
tectonic activity? In other words, could changes to the atmosphere </p><p>
trigger mantle events? &nbsp; &nbsp;-- Carole McIntyre, Waynesburg, Penn.</p><p>
Guess what? There IS such a connection that is</p><p>
part of what Jim Lovelock and Lynn Margulis might</p><p>
call a "Gaian feedback mechanism"...</p><p>
I refer to pages 130-131 of the chapter called METABOLOISM AND </p><p>
PLANETARY BIOCHEMISTRY, In 'HEALING GAIA'.</p><p>
"Could Gaia be, even partially, responsible for the plate tectonic </p><p>
movements of the Earth's Crust? The Earth is certainly, it seems, </p><p>
exceptional among the known planets in having such movements. It was </p><p>
the geologist Don Anderson who first speculated that the </p><p>
sedimentation of limestone on the ocean floor, long ago in life's </p><p>
history, could have so altered the chemistry and temperature of the </p><p>
crustal rocks as to make it possible for the machinery of plate </p><p>
movement to begin. The geological event that changed the crustal </p><p>
rocks near the continental margins and made the crust unstable is </p><p>
known as the "basalt-eclogite phase change". The early presence of </p><p>
the microflora of the oceans, and their constant rain of limestone </p><p>
tests to form limestone deposits, thus may have been the trigger that </p><p>
led to the slow swirl of the crustal plates across the globe."</p><p>
Add to that more carbon in the atmosphere, and you create a </p><p>
possibility of faster rate of limestone deposition. Add to that the </p><p>
dynamics of complex, non-linear catastrophic change, and you have the </p><p>
"forbidden knowledge", perhaps, that could lead us to see a very real </p><p>
link between increased atmospheric carbon(climate change), tectonic </p><p>
movements, and thus, tsunami generating events. Just now, both sides </p><p>
are hagggling over who was stupid enough to suggest that climate </p><p>
change had anything to do with the tsunamis. Well, maybe it is not so </p><p>
silly a thought after all! Maybe "The People" have an intuition that </p><p>
is more than just paranoia; it's more like "meta-noia",that is, </p><p>
knowledge that goes beyond our official states of denial, so it gets </p><p>
deflected into rumours of underground nuclear tests. By the way, </p><p>
there ARE deep underground nuclear reactions going on....only, they </p><p>
are part of planetary dynamics: the "inner heat" of the earth's </p><p>
interior is generated partly by radioactivity.</p><p>
&nbsp; So, my point is, the answer is a resounding 'YES!'</p><p>
First Name: Paul

<p>Ideas are a difference that makes a difference.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Climate Change and Tsunamis</strong></p><p>Subject: Comment on Question for D.Helvarg</p><p>
A reader asked the following:</p><p>
Is there any conceivable connection between atmospheric behavior and </p><p>
tectonic activity? In other words, could changes to the atmosphere </p><p>
trigger mantle events? &nbsp; &nbsp;-- Carole McIntyre, Waynesburg, Penn.</p><p>
Guess what? There IS such a connection that is</p><p>
part of what Jim Lovelock and Lynn Margulis might</p><p>
call a "Gaian feedback mechanism"...</p><p>
I refer to pages 130-131 of the chapter called METABOLOISM AND </p><p>
PLANETARY BIOCHEMISTRY, In 'HEALING GAIA'.</p><p>
"Could Gaia be, even partially, responsible for the plate tectonic </p><p>
movements of the Earth's Crust? The Earth is certainly, it seems, </p><p>
exceptional among the known planets in having such movements. It was </p><p>
the geologist Don Anderson who first speculated that the </p><p>
sedimentation of limestone on the ocean floor, long ago in life's </p><p>
history, could have so altered the chemistry and temperature of the </p><p>
crustal rocks as to make it possible for the machinery of plate </p><p>
movement to begin. The geological event that changed the crustal </p><p>
rocks near the continental margins and made the crust unstable is </p><p>
known as the "basalt-eclogite phase change". The early presence of </p><p>
the microflora of the oceans, and their constant rain of limestone </p><p>
tests to form limestone deposits, thus may have been the trigger that </p><p>
led to the slow swirl of the crustal plates across the globe."</p><p>
Add to that more carbon in the atmosphere, and you create a </p><p>
possibility of faster rate of limestone deposition. Add to that the </p><p>
dynamics of complex, non-linear catastrophic change, and you have the </p><p>
"forbidden knowledge", perhaps, that could lead us to see a very real </p><p>
link between increased atmospheric carbon(climate change), tectonic </p><p>
movements, and thus, tsunami generating events. Just now, both sides </p><p>
are hagggling over who was stupid enough to suggest that climate </p><p>
change had anything to do with the tsunamis. Well, maybe it is not so </p><p>
silly a thought after all! Maybe "The People" have an intuition that </p><p>
is more than just paranoia; it's more like "meta-noia",that is, </p><p>
knowledge that goes beyond our official states of denial, so it gets </p><p>
deflected into rumours of underground nuclear tests. By the way, </p><p>
there ARE deep underground nuclear reactions going on....only, they </p><p>
are part of planetary dynamics: the "inner heat" of the earth's </p><p>
interior is generated partly by radioactivity.</p><p>
&nbsp; So, my point is, the answer is a resounding 'YES!'</p><p>
First Name: Paul

<p>Ideas are a difference that makes a difference.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Storm Dragon</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/global-warming-and-natural-disasters/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:24:21 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Environmental Degredation and Natural Disasters</strong></p><p>Personally, I think that we ignore connections between natural disasters and environmental degredation at our peril. (And i'm talking about all kinds of problems here, not just global climate change). &nbsp;Our ecological mis-steps may not necessarily cause a natural disaster, but they can certainly make it worse. &nbsp;The current administration has been promoting "salvage" logging as a way to protect homes from forest fires, &nbsp; but uncontrolled clearcutting in mountainous areas can actually increase the danger of destructive landslides and flooding. All to often, we environmentalists are portrayed as &nbsp;being more concerned with the wellbeing of birds and fish than &nbsp;with that of human beings. &nbsp;We need to point out that things that are harmful to birds, fish, and redwood trees are often not very healthy for us, either. &nbsp;And, when we are told that poor countries can't afford the "luxury" of environmental protection, we need to respond that they can't afford not to protect their environment. &nbsp; </p>
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				<p><strong>Environmental Degredation and Natural Disasters</strong></p><p>Personally, I think that we ignore connections between natural disasters and environmental degredation at our peril. (And i'm talking about all kinds of problems here, not just global climate change). &nbsp;Our ecological mis-steps may not necessarily cause a natural disaster, but they can certainly make it worse. &nbsp;The current administration has been promoting "salvage" logging as a way to protect homes from forest fires, &nbsp; but uncontrolled clearcutting in mountainous areas can actually increase the danger of destructive landslides and flooding. All to often, we environmentalists are portrayed as &nbsp;being more concerned with the wellbeing of birds and fish than &nbsp;with that of human beings. &nbsp;We need to point out that things that are harmful to birds, fish, and redwood trees are often not very healthy for us, either. &nbsp;And, when we are told that poor countries can't afford the "luxury" of environmental protection, we need to respond that they can't afford not to protect their environment. &nbsp; </p>
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