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            <title>Comment #1 by anthony11</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 03:03:51 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>college laundry room vs. your living room</strong></p><p>Why pay and pollute twice for heat and drying when you can just pay and pollute once?</p><p>
Because the questioner is talking about a communal college laundry room, where it is unsafe to leave one's clothes. Who has 6 hours to burn every time something needs to be washed?<br>
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				<p><strong>college laundry room vs. your living room</strong></p><p>Why pay and pollute twice for heat and drying when you can just pay and pollute once?</p><p>
Because the questioner is talking about a communal college laundry room, where it is unsafe to leave one's clothes. Who has 6 hours to burn every time something needs to be washed?<br>
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            <title>Comment #2 by streek23</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:46:43 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Chelsea, is this you?</strong></p><p>Hey, Chelsea,<br>
Is that you?? It's Matt Auerbach from Gunn! Is this your comment? Whether it is or not, great question!<br>
-Matt</br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Chelsea, is this you?</strong></p><p>Hey, Chelsea,<br>
Is that you?? It's Matt Auerbach from Gunn! Is this your comment? Whether it is or not, great question!<br>
-Matt</br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by davismx</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:19:54 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>A $230 drying rack??!!!<p>Did you seriously just recommend a $230 drying rack to a poor college student? &nbsp;I imagine that trying to save money is one of the big reasons that the student wants to move to air drying their clothes. &nbsp;That probably equals what they would pay to do their laundry for an entire school year.<p>
How about something cheap like the <a href="http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/50095091" rel="nofollow">Ikea Frost Rack for $16.99. &nbsp;Small enough that they could probably set it up in their dorm room and forgo the risk of having their clothes stolen out of the laundry room. &nbsp;It folds flat and could be stored easily. &nbsp;Additionally it's cheap enough that if you decided to keep it in the community laundry room you wouldn't freak out if someone stole it. &nbsp;I know there's an Ikea near Claremont.</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>A $230 drying rack??!!!<p>Did you seriously just recommend a $230 drying rack to a poor college student? &nbsp;I imagine that trying to save money is one of the big reasons that the student wants to move to air drying their clothes. &nbsp;That probably equals what they would pay to do their laundry for an entire school year.<p>
How about something cheap like the <a href="http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/50095091" rel="nofollow">Ikea Frost Rack for $16.99. &nbsp;Small enough that they could probably set it up in their dorm room and forgo the risk of having their clothes stolen out of the laundry room. &nbsp;It folds flat and could be stored easily. &nbsp;Additionally it's cheap enough that if you decided to keep it in the community laundry room you wouldn't freak out if someone stole it. &nbsp;I know there's an Ikea near Claremont.</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by ethuiel</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:33:17 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>RE: A $230 drying rack??!!</strong></p><p>If you had read the entire question as well as the article, you would have noticed that the student is looking for something for which her SCHOOL will pay. In that case, 82 feet of drying space for $230 when the school installs, pays, and monitors is not such a bad idea at all. Please don't jump on Umbra's case for a crime she hasn't committed! </p>
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				<p><strong>RE: A $230 drying rack??!!</strong></p><p>If you had read the entire question as well as the article, you would have noticed that the student is looking for something for which her SCHOOL will pay. In that case, 82 feet of drying space for $230 when the school installs, pays, and monitors is not such a bad idea at all. Please don't jump on Umbra's case for a crime she hasn't committed! </p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by ChiefRabbit</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:22:40 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Hang it in your room</strong></p><p>Unless you're willing to spend your Friday night mad money on sweat-shopped/3rd World produced clothing to replace the ones that "walk away" while drying, why not just dry your clothes in your own dorm room? And maybe the college would consider installing the lower cost retractables in all the rooms?</p>
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				<p><strong>Hang it in your room</strong></p><p>Unless you're willing to spend your Friday night mad money on sweat-shopped/3rd World produced clothing to replace the ones that "walk away" while drying, why not just dry your clothes in your own dorm room? And maybe the college would consider installing the lower cost retractables in all the rooms?</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by marymaide</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:23:06 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Racks in the rooms vs one for the dorm</strong></p><p>If the college is willing to install communal drying racks, it may well get more line-length for the dollar by designing a sort that fits the space. It would probably be much more difficult to convince them to fork over $20 x n dorm rooms (plus all the maintenance/replacement costs).<br>
One of the maintenance guys might feel inspired by such a project (particularly as it would permanently enter the college folklore &nbsp;as "Joe's stretcher"). &nbsp;</p><p>
Chelsea didn't say the college would "monitor" the drying racks. And therein lies the rub, doesn't it?<br>
Problems ranging from people who forget to take their dry sheets away until the ones on their bed are (more than) ready to be washed, to those who confuse drying lines with boutiques need to be addressed by the users, rather than by spy cameras or laundry-police.</p><p>
What's needed is some sort of social organization among dorm-mates. Maybe just a sign-up list, or a sheet where the person whose laundry is hung up writes her/his name and room number.<br>
If they can do that (and why not: students organize for all sorts of things?), they'll be well on their way to creating a much happier dorm society. &nbsp;</p><p>
And Chelsea, who's already gotten college approval for this project, is well on her way, it seems! (Brava!)</br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Racks in the rooms vs one for the dorm</strong></p><p>If the college is willing to install communal drying racks, it may well get more line-length for the dollar by designing a sort that fits the space. It would probably be much more difficult to convince them to fork over $20 x n dorm rooms (plus all the maintenance/replacement costs).<br>
One of the maintenance guys might feel inspired by such a project (particularly as it would permanently enter the college folklore &nbsp;as "Joe's stretcher"). &nbsp;</p><p>
Chelsea didn't say the college would "monitor" the drying racks. And therein lies the rub, doesn't it?<br>
Problems ranging from people who forget to take their dry sheets away until the ones on their bed are (more than) ready to be washed, to those who confuse drying lines with boutiques need to be addressed by the users, rather than by spy cameras or laundry-police.</p><p>
What's needed is some sort of social organization among dorm-mates. Maybe just a sign-up list, or a sheet where the person whose laundry is hung up writes her/his name and room number.<br>
If they can do that (and why not: students organize for all sorts of things?), they'll be well on their way to creating a much happier dorm society. &nbsp;</p><p>
And Chelsea, who's already gotten college approval for this project, is well on her way, it seems! (Brava!)</br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Amethyst Lynn</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:31:48 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>wooden drying racks</strong></p><p>I was born in '48 and remember having a fold-up wooden rack that was about big enuf for a small load of clothes but washers were smaller back then...I'm also old enuf to have seen wringer washers and even mangle-type dryers that u could press sheets nice and crisp as well as put nice pleats in all ur pants</p><p>
Gee...am I really that OLD...I still FEEL as YOUNG as kids my SON's AGE !!! &nbsp; </p>
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				<p><strong>wooden drying racks</strong></p><p>I was born in '48 and remember having a fold-up wooden rack that was about big enuf for a small load of clothes but washers were smaller back then...I'm also old enuf to have seen wringer washers and even mangle-type dryers that u could press sheets nice and crisp as well as put nice pleats in all ur pants</p><p>
Gee...am I really that OLD...I still FEEL as YOUNG as kids my SON's AGE !!! &nbsp; </p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Amethyst Lynn</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:44:01 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>communal drying racks</strong></p><p>with college dorm use in mind...maybe the RA/dorm parent/college could finance buying several portable racks that could be loaned/signed out to individual students on an 'as needed' basis...that would eliminate the problem with theft or a permanent fixture 'growing legs'...a signup/checkout system would insure knowing the locations of however many racks where acquired...the number available would vary depending on the size of the dorm...the timeframe would have to be reasonably short (like no more than 12-24 hrs to keep the racks 'in motion' and eliminate having to buy a rack for each dorm room...putting retractable racks in each room would be a more expensive route but might be a better option as long as they used 'commercial grade' racks 'cuz we all know how rough college students can be on the fixtures/contents of their dorm rooms !!! &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p>
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				<p><strong>communal drying racks</strong></p><p>with college dorm use in mind...maybe the RA/dorm parent/college could finance buying several portable racks that could be loaned/signed out to individual students on an 'as needed' basis...that would eliminate the problem with theft or a permanent fixture 'growing legs'...a signup/checkout system would insure knowing the locations of however many racks where acquired...the number available would vary depending on the size of the dorm...the timeframe would have to be reasonably short (like no more than 12-24 hrs to keep the racks 'in motion' and eliminate having to buy a rack for each dorm room...putting retractable racks in each room would be a more expensive route but might be a better option as long as they used 'commercial grade' racks 'cuz we all know how rough college students can be on the fixtures/contents of their dorm rooms !!! &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; </p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Zephaniah</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:11:06 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Drying rack - durability</strong></p><p>RE: personal drying racks<br>
Survey started with 2 yard sale treasures, wooden contraptions that left a few stains on white clothes and then cracked and turned into pick up sticks. &nbsp;Replaced with new $40 wooden rack, which cracked on 10th use. Replaced with metal folding rack and retractable clothesline now up to 50 days of service and counting. </p><p>
Low humidity days are on my radar now (cheap thrills are the secret of happiness.) When the air is dry and over 45oF, and I can get the clothes hung early... yeaaaaaa!! &nbsp; <br>
If you live in the lovely, rainy Northwest, not recommended to leave clothes really wet &nbsp;overnight, or to dry more than one or two items inside unless windows are wide open, because mildew needs scant invitation. &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>
Thank you for shrinking your carbon footprint and not your clothes!<br>
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				<p><strong>Drying rack - durability</strong></p><p>RE: personal drying racks<br>
Survey started with 2 yard sale treasures, wooden contraptions that left a few stains on white clothes and then cracked and turned into pick up sticks. &nbsp;Replaced with new $40 wooden rack, which cracked on 10th use. Replaced with metal folding rack and retractable clothesline now up to 50 days of service and counting. </p><p>
Low humidity days are on my radar now (cheap thrills are the secret of happiness.) When the air is dry and over 45oF, and I can get the clothes hung early... yeaaaaaa!! &nbsp; <br>
If you live in the lovely, rainy Northwest, not recommended to leave clothes really wet &nbsp;overnight, or to dry more than one or two items inside unless windows are wide open, because mildew needs scant invitation. &nbsp; &nbsp; </p><p>
Thank you for shrinking your carbon footprint and not your clothes!<br>
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            <title>Comment #10 by dancingwolfgrrl</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:45:16 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Clothespin-free!</strong></p><p>You only really need clothespins for outdoor lines: indoor lines can have things draped over them, just as you would on a rack. &nbsp;Although you can hang more things if you can be bothered with the clothespins, I usually can't be!</p>
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				<p><strong>Clothespin-free!</strong></p><p>You only really need clothespins for outdoor lines: indoor lines can have things draped over them, just as you would on a rack. &nbsp;Although you can hang more things if you can be bothered with the clothespins, I usually can't be!</p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by mbickmore</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:20:49 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>courtesy</strong></p><p>This is a great idea! Years ago I was happy to have access to communal outdoor clotheslines in university family housing. I saved a lot of money using them. However, one thing that aggravated me was that people would often leave their laundry up long after it was dry. Since it takes several hours for laundry to line-dry, this meant that only one batch was dried that day. &nbsp;The efficiency of air-drying is limited to begin with. Inconsiderate use can limit it even further.</p>
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				<p><strong>courtesy</strong></p><p>This is a great idea! Years ago I was happy to have access to communal outdoor clotheslines in university family housing. I saved a lot of money using them. However, one thing that aggravated me was that people would often leave their laundry up long after it was dry. Since it takes several hours for laundry to line-dry, this meant that only one batch was dried that day. &nbsp;The efficiency of air-drying is limited to begin with. Inconsiderate use can limit it even further.</p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by ChelseaH</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:08:35 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Pomona's Plans PLUS a new LAUNDRY RACK WEBSITE<p>Hello all! Chelsea writing here. I had no idea people would be so into this idea! In any case, things are coming along nicely here at Pomona. We administered a survey early this spring to gauge what sorts of things students are most interested in, and will be shortly turning a proposal into our "President's Advisory Committee on Sustainability" to fund the installation of some racks. One of the most interesting results from the survey (non-random sample) was that over 80% of the 334 students who completed the survey (not bad, considering out student body is only 1500 students) HAD line dried their clothes at some point in their life.<p>
Indeed many of the issues brought up above are ones that we've struggled with. The possibility of people walking off with clothes is a definite possibility, and some people expressed in the survey that they don't feel comfortable airing their laundry in public. This said, communal laundry racks in the laundry rooms seem to be the most cost-effective solution. Hopefully theft won't be too much of a problem since you have to have a key card to get into laundry rooms, and steeling out of laundry rooms hasn't been too much of a problem in the past. Our plan is to install permanent racks (probably the super durable Austral &nbsp;brand ones) and then also purchase small foldable racks that students can "check out" from the college for the duration of the school year for use in their rooms.<p>
I also wanted to mention a new WIKI WEBSITE ON LAUNDRY RACKS that I just finished creating that I'm REALLY excited about. I used Umbra's response as a launching point for exploring the world of laundry/clothes/washing racks/lines/hoists/airers and found that there was no site, or even a wiki page, that detailed all the options. So, being the project oriented-type that I am, I decided to create a wiki page that I'm positive is THE most comprehensive site on the web about air drying options (I spent about 20 hours scouring the web for products and putting up all the pictures). You can check it out here: <a href="http://www.tiptheplanet.com/index.php?title=Air_dry_washing" rel="nofollow">http://www.tiptheplanet.com/index.php?title=Air_dry_washi ... <p>
Please check out the site, share it with your friends, and add your wisdom to the page, and correct my mistakes!<p>
I'll post again once Pomona's gotten our rack plan finished!<p>
Best,<br>
Chelsea</br></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Pomona's Plans PLUS a new LAUNDRY RACK WEBSITE<p>Hello all! Chelsea writing here. I had no idea people would be so into this idea! In any case, things are coming along nicely here at Pomona. We administered a survey early this spring to gauge what sorts of things students are most interested in, and will be shortly turning a proposal into our "President's Advisory Committee on Sustainability" to fund the installation of some racks. One of the most interesting results from the survey (non-random sample) was that over 80% of the 334 students who completed the survey (not bad, considering out student body is only 1500 students) HAD line dried their clothes at some point in their life.<p>
Indeed many of the issues brought up above are ones that we've struggled with. The possibility of people walking off with clothes is a definite possibility, and some people expressed in the survey that they don't feel comfortable airing their laundry in public. This said, communal laundry racks in the laundry rooms seem to be the most cost-effective solution. Hopefully theft won't be too much of a problem since you have to have a key card to get into laundry rooms, and steeling out of laundry rooms hasn't been too much of a problem in the past. Our plan is to install permanent racks (probably the super durable Austral &nbsp;brand ones) and then also purchase small foldable racks that students can "check out" from the college for the duration of the school year for use in their rooms.<p>
I also wanted to mention a new WIKI WEBSITE ON LAUNDRY RACKS that I just finished creating that I'm REALLY excited about. I used Umbra's response as a launching point for exploring the world of laundry/clothes/washing racks/lines/hoists/airers and found that there was no site, or even a wiki page, that detailed all the options. So, being the project oriented-type that I am, I decided to create a wiki page that I'm positive is THE most comprehensive site on the web about air drying options (I spent about 20 hours scouring the web for products and putting up all the pictures). You can check it out here: <a href="http://www.tiptheplanet.com/index.php?title=Air_dry_washing" rel="nofollow">http://www.tiptheplanet.com/index.php?title=Air_dry_washi ... <p>
Please check out the site, share it with your friends, and add your wisdom to the page, and correct my mistakes!<p>
I'll post again once Pomona's gotten our rack plan finished!<p>
Best,<br>
Chelsea</br></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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