<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Soros, Goldman Sachs financing destruction of Brazilian forests]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Biodiversivist http://www.grist.org/article/george-soros-vs-the-planet/ Thu, 02 Aug 2007 07:50:53 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/george-soros-vs-the-planet/1 Well,

I can see how Eric's arguments (not that well defended IMHO) in support of biodiesel would also be applicable here:

"...you can't just unbuild it [the biofuel industry], so let's make it as good as it can be until we don't need it anymore b/c we've got a better idea than internal combustion and liquid fuels."

"The outcry about biofuels at Grist sounds odd when there's no concurrent action going on..."

"Until biofuels are outlawed, which looks like a long way away indeed, you can't just wish a massive, and growing, industry away. You can, however, organize to change its practices."

"The entire public now sees biodiesel as a good idea brought to their attention by things like Live Earth."

"Biodiesel is already here, it's being manufactured in enormous facilities, and more are being built all the time. We can't, as a pile of Gristers, stop that."

Thoughts?

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world


]]> Well,

I can see how Eric's arguments (not that well defended IMHO) in support of biodiesel would also be applicable here:

"...you can't just unbuild it [the biofuel industry], so let's make it as good as it can be until we don't need it anymore b/c we've got a better idea than internal combustion and liquid fuels."

"The outcry about biofuels at Grist sounds odd when there's no concurrent action going on..."

"Until biofuels are outlawed, which looks like a long way away indeed, you can't just wish a massive, and growing, industry away. You can, however, organize to change its practices."

"The entire public now sees biodiesel as a good idea brought to their attention by things like Live Earth."

"Biodiesel is already here, it's being manufactured in enormous facilities, and more are being built all the time. We can't, as a pile of Gristers, stop that."

Thoughts?

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world


]]> Comment #2 by Erik Hoffner http://www.grist.org/article/george-soros-vs-the-planet/ Thu, 02 Aug 2007 11:15:02 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/george-soros-vs-the-planet/2 K

Nice. Guess everyone's tired of the topic, Russ.

Or they don't agree with you.

Maybe they see I'm not defending biodiesel as you keep saying. Or not. Whatever the deal, I'm merely advocating more action to make the biodiesel industry as near sustainable as it can possibly be. Which may not be anywhere near enough. But it's time better spent than just throwing bombs.

BTW, my name's spelled with a K.

Erik

The Orion Grassroots Network: 1000+ grassroots groups working for conservation & more

]]> K

Nice. Guess everyone's tired of the topic, Russ.

Or they don't agree with you.

Maybe they see I'm not defending biodiesel as you keep saying. Or not. Whatever the deal, I'm merely advocating more action to make the biodiesel industry as near sustainable as it can possibly be. Which may not be anywhere near enough. But it's time better spent than just throwing bombs.

BTW, my name's spelled with a K.

Erik

The Orion Grassroots Network: 1000+ grassroots groups working for conservation & more

]]> Comment #3 by Biodiversivist http://www.grist.org/article/george-soros-vs-the-planet/ Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:08:02 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/george-soros-vs-the-planet/3 Apologies for mispelling your name, Erik

Just a typo. Extending your arguments in support of the fuel you burn in your car to the fuels about to consume the Cerrado and Amazon seemed appropriate. They are all biofuels made from food crops displacing biodiversity and food. How you can sustainably destroy ecosystems is beyond my comprehension.

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Apologies for mispelling your name, Erik

Just a typo. Extending your arguments in support of the fuel you burn in your car to the fuels about to consume the Cerrado and Amazon seemed appropriate. They are all biofuels made from food crops displacing biodiversity and food. How you can sustainably destroy ecosystems is beyond my comprehension.

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Comment #4 by Biodiversivist http://www.grist.org/article/george-soros-vs-the-planet/ Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:15:03 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/george-soros-vs-the-planet/4 Correction

"How you anyone can sustainably destroy ecosystems is beyond my comprehension."

I didn't want that sentence to be misinterpreted as a personal attack. You may be right and I may be wrong. All we have are our arguments for whatever they are worth.

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world


]]> Correction

"How you anyone can sustainably destroy ecosystems is beyond my comprehension."

I didn't want that sentence to be misinterpreted as a personal attack. You may be right and I may be wrong. All we have are our arguments for whatever they are worth.

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world


]]> Comment #5 by justlou http://www.grist.org/article/george-soros-vs-the-planet/ Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:57:32 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/george-soros-vs-the-planet/5 "sustainably destroy ecosystems"

Yes, this gets to the grist of it.  

We are seeking to maintain the unsustainable by continuing to destroy the sustainable by domesticating wild land.  Another case of big man/small nature paradigm.  This is a hard nut to crack.  

Power down.  

]]> "sustainably destroy ecosystems"

Yes, this gets to the grist of it.  

We are seeking to maintain the unsustainable by continuing to destroy the sustainable by domesticating wild land.  Another case of big man/small nature paradigm.  This is a hard nut to crack.  

Power down.  

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