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            <title>Comment #1 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:17:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>He Should Have Taken The Bet<p><br>
Crypto-Malthusians ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-malthusian" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-malthusian ) are already asking every one of us to gamble hundreds of dollars: our tax money.<p>
There have already been commissions, reports and soon their will be regulatory agencies and regulations based on the absolute believe of CMs in forecasts of temperature and its consequences.<p>
Quite frankly...I think we're all forced into the role of losers on this.

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				<p><strong>He Should Have Taken The Bet<p><br>
Crypto-Malthusians ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-malthusian" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-malthusian ) are already asking every one of us to gamble hundreds of dollars: our tax money.<p>
There have already been commissions, reports and soon their will be regulatory agencies and regulations based on the absolute believe of CMs in forecasts of temperature and its consequences.<p>
Quite frankly...I think we're all forced into the role of losers on this.

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            <title>Comment #2 by GonzoDon</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:18:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The Revolution Will Not be Cable Televised</strong></p><p>Don't worry your pretty little head, jabailo. &nbsp;As long as the U.S. election system requires gazillions of dollars in fund-raising from corporate special interests before a candidate to have even a prayer of a chance of getting elected, something tells me that there will be lots of talk and very, very little action on this issue in my lifetime.</p><p>
Now, I get to rail about my pet peeve: a heliocentric universe! &nbsp;Why do scientists insist that the Earth revolves around the sun?! &nbsp;They just try to squash any counter-viewpoints. &nbsp;The "fact" that the Earth revolves around the sun is in fact only a theory. &nbsp;Therefore I am insisting that my local school district give equal time to the theory that the universe revolves around planet Earth in our local science classes.</p>
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				<p><strong>The Revolution Will Not be Cable Televised</strong></p><p>Don't worry your pretty little head, jabailo. &nbsp;As long as the U.S. election system requires gazillions of dollars in fund-raising from corporate special interests before a candidate to have even a prayer of a chance of getting elected, something tells me that there will be lots of talk and very, very little action on this issue in my lifetime.</p><p>
Now, I get to rail about my pet peeve: a heliocentric universe! &nbsp;Why do scientists insist that the Earth revolves around the sun?! &nbsp;They just try to squash any counter-viewpoints. &nbsp;The "fact" that the Earth revolves around the sun is in fact only a theory. &nbsp;Therefore I am insisting that my local school district give equal time to the theory that the universe revolves around planet Earth in our local science classes.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:09:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Go To The Back of The Class<p> The "fact" that the Earth revolves around the sun is in fact only a theory.<p>
Yes, it is a theory...but it's a very good one, one that provides lots of predictive power. &nbsp; You can also develop mathematics for planetary movement as if the earth were fixed and everything revolved around it, but these equations are far less elegant.<p>
In physics, the "frame of reference" is extremely important. &nbsp;That's how Einstein racked up so many points...by showing there is no absolute frame of reference in the universe (at one point physicists thought that the center was an absolute frame of reference).<p>
As far as this thing of such-and-such is only a theory. &nbsp; Well, that's not the point. &nbsp; A theory is as good as its predictive power. &nbsp; Its utility is not so much how it explains the past -- that just justifies its development, as how it can predict what will happen based on certain conditions.<p>
So yes, the heliocentric theory is a theory, but it's a very good one, and it gives us some very nice math (Kepler). &nbsp; The geocentric theory can also have utility -- if you're an astrologer, you still look at the celestial sphere rotating in the heavens around a static Earth. &nbsp; <p>
Same with evolution. &nbsp; Yes, "natural section" is a theory, but it has a lot of power for predicting. &nbsp;If you want to through "intelligent design" or "Bible Science" in the ring as theories, you can...you can always do that. &nbsp;The question is who's block is going to get knocked off when it comes time to placing bets and getting the right picks.<br>


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				<p><strong>Go To The Back of The Class<p> The "fact" that the Earth revolves around the sun is in fact only a theory.<p>
Yes, it is a theory...but it's a very good one, one that provides lots of predictive power. &nbsp; You can also develop mathematics for planetary movement as if the earth were fixed and everything revolved around it, but these equations are far less elegant.<p>
In physics, the "frame of reference" is extremely important. &nbsp;That's how Einstein racked up so many points...by showing there is no absolute frame of reference in the universe (at one point physicists thought that the center was an absolute frame of reference).<p>
As far as this thing of such-and-such is only a theory. &nbsp; Well, that's not the point. &nbsp; A theory is as good as its predictive power. &nbsp; Its utility is not so much how it explains the past -- that just justifies its development, as how it can predict what will happen based on certain conditions.<p>
So yes, the heliocentric theory is a theory, but it's a very good one, and it gives us some very nice math (Kepler). &nbsp; The geocentric theory can also have utility -- if you're an astrologer, you still look at the celestial sphere rotating in the heavens around a static Earth. &nbsp; <p>
Same with evolution. &nbsp; Yes, "natural section" is a theory, but it has a lot of power for predicting. &nbsp;If you want to through "intelligent design" or "Bible Science" in the ring as theories, you can...you can always do that. &nbsp;The question is who's block is going to get knocked off when it comes time to placing bets and getting the right picks.<br>


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            <title>Comment #4 by Nucbuddy</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:08:18 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Short-lived Wikipedia articles<p><b>Jabailo wrote: Crypto-Malthusians ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-malthusian" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-malthusian ) are already asking every one of us to gamble hundreds of dollars: our tax money.<br><p>
Have you read the discussion section of that Wikipedia article?<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Crypto-Malthusian" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Crypto-Malthusian<p>
This guy has been posting on the website grist.org for a while to all of the stories.<p>
An example: <a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/4/10/171745/455" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/4/10/171745/455<p>
First comment, links here.<br>
[...]<br>
I recommend this entry "Cryto-Mathusian" be deleted.<br>
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				<p><strong>Short-lived Wikipedia articles<p><b>Jabailo wrote: Crypto-Malthusians ( <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-malthusian" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-malthusian ) are already asking every one of us to gamble hundreds of dollars: our tax money.<br><p>
Have you read the discussion section of that Wikipedia article?<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Crypto-Malthusian" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Crypto-Malthusian<p>
This guy has been posting on the website grist.org for a while to all of the stories.<p>
An example: <a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/4/10/171745/455" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/4/10/171745/455<p>
First comment, links here.<br>
[...]<br>
I recommend this entry "Cryto-Mathusian" be deleted.<br>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Nucbuddy</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:18:56 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Lorentz's Theory of Special Relativity<p><b>Jabailo wrote: Einstein racked up so many points...by showing there is no absolute frame of reference in the universe<br><p>
Actually, that was Hendrik Lorentz in 1892.<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Lorentz#Electrodynamics_and_.22relativity.22" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Lorentz#Electrodynamics_and_.22relativity.22<br>
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				<p><strong>Lorentz's Theory of Special Relativity<p><b>Jabailo wrote: Einstein racked up so many points...by showing there is no absolute frame of reference in the universe<br><p>
Actually, that was Hendrik Lorentz in 1892.<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Lorentz#Electrodynamics_and_.22relativity.22" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Lorentz#Electrodynamics_and_.22relativity.22<br>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Delay And Deny</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/gambling-on-global-warming/</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:35:31 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The Truth Cannot Be Suppressed<p><br>
Luckily I retained the definition in my own site:<p>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com/viewtopic.php?t=510" rel="nofollow">http://you-read-it-here-first.com/viewtopic.php?t=510<p>
A Crypto-Malthusian is someone in the long line of philosophical-societal thinkers who believe that the artifices of Man will lead to a natural constraint of resources and result in the doom both of Nature and Man.<p>
This line of thinkers includes Malthus himself as well as the Club of Rome, Peak Oilers, Peak Coalers, Anthropogenic Ice Agers and Silent Springers as well as current Anthropogenic Global Warmers.

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				<p><strong>The Truth Cannot Be Suppressed<p><br>
Luckily I retained the definition in my own site:<p>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com/viewtopic.php?t=510" rel="nofollow">http://you-read-it-here-first.com/viewtopic.php?t=510<p>
A Crypto-Malthusian is someone in the long line of philosophical-societal thinkers who believe that the artifices of Man will lead to a natural constraint of resources and result in the doom both of Nature and Man.<p>
This line of thinkers includes Malthus himself as well as the Club of Rome, Peak Oilers, Peak Coalers, Anthropogenic Ice Agers and Silent Springers as well as current Anthropogenic Global Warmers.

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            <title>Comment #7 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:42:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>References<p><br>
I added these references to the Wikipedia article:<p>
The term is used as a reference to Marx, here:<p>
<a href="http://www.global-samizdat.org/Global-Samizdat/GS1_Towards-A-Strategy-For-Humanity/GS1_Towards-A-Strategy-For-Humanity-v1_7.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.global-samizdat.org/Global-Samizdat/GS1_Toward ...<p>
And is made reference in a religio-political reference here:<p>
<a href="http://www.hermetic.com/bey/millennium/millennium.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hermetic.com/bey/millennium/millennium.html

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				<p><strong>References<p><br>
I added these references to the Wikipedia article:<p>
The term is used as a reference to Marx, here:<p>
<a href="http://www.global-samizdat.org/Global-Samizdat/GS1_Towards-A-Strategy-For-Humanity/GS1_Towards-A-Strategy-For-Humanity-v1_7.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.global-samizdat.org/Global-Samizdat/GS1_Toward ...<p>
And is made reference in a religio-political reference here:<p>
<a href="http://www.hermetic.com/bey/millennium/millennium.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hermetic.com/bey/millennium/millennium.html

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            <title>Comment #8 by Andrew Dessler</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:20:54 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>That's so unfair<p>Have you read the discussion section of that Wikipedia article?<br>
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Crypto-MalthusianIt says there thatfyi. jabailo is a wannabe troll.Frankly, I can't believe they refer to you as a "wannabe troll." &nbsp;That's so unfair --- have they not read your posts? &nbsp;There's no "wannabe" about it. &nbsp;You're an accomplished <a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/1/2/103317/5731" rel="nofollow">troll. &nbsp;</a></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>That's so unfair<p>Have you read the discussion section of that Wikipedia article?<br>
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Crypto-MalthusianIt says there thatfyi. jabailo is a wannabe troll.Frankly, I can't believe they refer to you as a "wannabe troll." &nbsp;That's so unfair --- have they not read your posts? &nbsp;There's no "wannabe" about it. &nbsp;You're an accomplished <a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/1/2/103317/5731" rel="nofollow">troll. &nbsp;</a></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Nucbuddy</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:17:31 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Wikipedia dangers and guidelines<p><b>Jabailo,<p>
Wikipedia editors need to log in when they make edits, or else others can see their IP addresses (which, in turn, can be used to discover personal information) by looking at the requisite article Revision Histories.<p>
These are the Wikipedia guidelines on article creation:<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article<p>
If you feel your article-subject qualifies as appropriate for Wikipedia, on the article Discussion Page you can explain your reasons for that. <br>
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				<p><strong>Wikipedia dangers and guidelines<p><b>Jabailo,<p>
Wikipedia editors need to log in when they make edits, or else others can see their IP addresses (which, in turn, can be used to discover personal information) by looking at the requisite article Revision Histories.<p>
These are the Wikipedia guidelines on article creation:<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article<p>
If you feel your article-subject qualifies as appropriate for Wikipedia, on the article Discussion Page you can explain your reasons for that. <br>
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            <title>Comment #10 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:15:01 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Delete</strong></p><p>The jabbering one. &nbsp;Dualies and all. &nbsp;It is hurting the blog. &nbsp;

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				<p><strong>Delete</strong></p><p>The jabbering one. &nbsp;Dualies and all. &nbsp;It is hurting the blog. &nbsp;

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