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            <title>Comment #1 by johnmcc793</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:56:14 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Environmental Defense Gaff</strong></p><p>Before folks go running off to condemn Senator Clinton, reflect a moment on the following:</p><p>
The Clean Air Act created a sulfur doixide cap-and-trade program to implement an acid rain reducion program back in the mid-90s.</p><p>
Prior to Congress passing that law, Congressman Henry Waxman (as dedicated an environmental legislator as ever there was) introduced a bill to pay for installation of a sulfur dioxide removal scrubber for the 50 largest sulfur dioxide emitting power plants.</p><p>
Environmental Defense argued against it and said 'let the market decide how utility companies will reduce sulfur dioxide by the least expensive means'.</p><p>
Well, the companies have done just that. &nbsp;</p><p>
They quit buying and mining the high sulfur coal of Illinois, Indiana and Kentucky and shifted to &nbsp;the low sulfur coal seams in the high mountains of Appalachia. &nbsp;The US DOE Energy Information Administration Form 423 has the verifiable coal-purchase data to prove that fact. &nbsp;Go see for yourself.</p><p>
When I once asked an Environmental Defense lobbyist how he defends SO2 cap-and-trade in light of mountaintop removal, he said "That was an unintended consequence".</p><p>
So, get the story straight and call back the mob.</p><p>
John McCormick</p>
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				<p><strong>Environmental Defense Gaff</strong></p><p>Before folks go running off to condemn Senator Clinton, reflect a moment on the following:</p><p>
The Clean Air Act created a sulfur doixide cap-and-trade program to implement an acid rain reducion program back in the mid-90s.</p><p>
Prior to Congress passing that law, Congressman Henry Waxman (as dedicated an environmental legislator as ever there was) introduced a bill to pay for installation of a sulfur dioxide removal scrubber for the 50 largest sulfur dioxide emitting power plants.</p><p>
Environmental Defense argued against it and said 'let the market decide how utility companies will reduce sulfur dioxide by the least expensive means'.</p><p>
Well, the companies have done just that. &nbsp;</p><p>
They quit buying and mining the high sulfur coal of Illinois, Indiana and Kentucky and shifted to &nbsp;the low sulfur coal seams in the high mountains of Appalachia. &nbsp;The US DOE Energy Information Administration Form 423 has the verifiable coal-purchase data to prove that fact. &nbsp;Go see for yourself.</p><p>
When I once asked an Environmental Defense lobbyist how he defends SO2 cap-and-trade in light of mountaintop removal, he said "That was an unintended consequence".</p><p>
So, get the story straight and call back the mob.</p><p>
John McCormick</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by caniscandida</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/gaffe-riot/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 05:46:40 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>a triple gaffe, actually</strong></p><p>This is a nice, succinct summary:</p><p>
&lt;&lt;<br>
captainkona at the WhitesCreek Journal: </p><p>
Her answer shows two things very clearly: </p><p>


She has no clue what she's talking about. </p><p>
She will sell the environment to the highest bidders. </p><p>


LOL! This person wants to be the Dem nominee? She sounded like Bush with the incoherent banter.</p><p>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
Just to be clear, what she said revealed either ignorance or insensitivity about two different environmental issues, and one social-justice issue:</p><p>


speaking hopefully about coal, a major enemy of the human race, is not well done;</p><p>
MTR/Valley-Fill is destructive of many regional ecosystems;</p><p>
many people in the Appalachian coal-mining region could use some helpful suggestions, with the promise of a strong helping hand.



<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>a triple gaffe, actually</strong></p><p>This is a nice, succinct summary:</p><p>
&lt;&lt;<br>
captainkona at the WhitesCreek Journal: </p><p>
Her answer shows two things very clearly: </p><p>


She has no clue what she's talking about. </p><p>
She will sell the environment to the highest bidders. </p><p>


LOL! This person wants to be the Dem nominee? She sounded like Bush with the incoherent banter.</p><p>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
Just to be clear, what she said revealed either ignorance or insensitivity about two different environmental issues, and one social-justice issue:</p><p>


speaking hopefully about coal, a major enemy of the human race, is not well done;</p><p>
MTR/Valley-Fill is destructive of many regional ecosystems;</p><p>
many people in the Appalachian coal-mining region could use some helpful suggestions, with the promise of a strong helping hand.



<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by JakobFabian01</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/gaffe-riot/</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 05:29:01 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Mine and Yours</strong></p><p>Removing anything at all from a mine while doing the least possible damage to the Earth's surface is not a labor-saving proposition.</p><p>
But it is a job-creating proposition, assuming that we still do require materials that come from mines. &nbsp;(If you can read this, then you are now using various rare metals that come from mines.) &nbsp;Many hands make careful work and provide the possibility of clean-up. &nbsp;Few hands make slap-dash work and leave behind lasting damage. &nbsp;Using big machines and explosives, we can dramatically speed up the work that a few hands can do. &nbsp;But haste makes waste.</p><p>
It's the "labor-saving" propositions (which are more accurately money-saving schemes for investors, not techniques that make workers' tasks any easier), like mountaintop removal, that kill both jobs AND nature.</p><p>
Similar arguments can be made in regard to the mechanization of timber cutting and the mechanization of fishing on the open seas.</p><p>
We have a right to expect that our elected representatives understand this.</p>
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				<p><strong>Mine and Yours</strong></p><p>Removing anything at all from a mine while doing the least possible damage to the Earth's surface is not a labor-saving proposition.</p><p>
But it is a job-creating proposition, assuming that we still do require materials that come from mines. &nbsp;(If you can read this, then you are now using various rare metals that come from mines.) &nbsp;Many hands make careful work and provide the possibility of clean-up. &nbsp;Few hands make slap-dash work and leave behind lasting damage. &nbsp;Using big machines and explosives, we can dramatically speed up the work that a few hands can do. &nbsp;But haste makes waste.</p><p>
It's the "labor-saving" propositions (which are more accurately money-saving schemes for investors, not techniques that make workers' tasks any easier), like mountaintop removal, that kill both jobs AND nature.</p><p>
Similar arguments can be made in regard to the mechanization of timber cutting and the mechanization of fishing on the open seas.</p><p>
We have a right to expect that our elected representatives understand this.</p>
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