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            <title>Comment #1 by apsmith</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 11:47:43 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>I think there's a subtle effect here that you're missing - why are fuel-efficient cars money-losers for American manufacturers? <strong>Because</strong> of CAFE standards. Since the fleet average has to reach a certain level, manufacturers have to under-price the efficient cars to sell enough of them to keep the average up. That means they look like money-losers in all their financial analyses. And the manufacturers get stingy on innovation and marketing for that class, since it looks like they're not making money off them. Until they collapse.</p><p>A better system, other than simple fuel taxes which would also do the trick, would be the sort of feebates Amory Lovins (who I'm not generally a fan of) has proposed. This way the manufacturers can directly see higher prices and actual profits on their more fuel efficient cars, while the government shuffles the money from gas guzzler purchases (imposed fees on purchase) to efficient car purchases (rebates). Otherwise manufactures simply have a continuing disincentive on fuel economy, simply because the CAFE standard exists.</p>
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				<p>I think there's a subtle effect here that you're missing - why are fuel-efficient cars money-losers for American manufacturers? <strong>Because</strong> of CAFE standards. Since the fleet average has to reach a certain level, manufacturers have to under-price the efficient cars to sell enough of them to keep the average up. That means they look like money-losers in all their financial analyses. And the manufacturers get stingy on innovation and marketing for that class, since it looks like they're not making money off them. Until they collapse.</p><p>A better system, other than simple fuel taxes which would also do the trick, would be the sort of feebates Amory Lovins (who I'm not generally a fan of) has proposed. This way the manufacturers can directly see higher prices and actual profits on their more fuel efficient cars, while the government shuffles the money from gas guzzler purchases (imposed fees on purchase) to efficient car purchases (rebates). Otherwise manufactures simply have a continuing disincentive on fuel economy, simply because the CAFE standard exists.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Christopher S. Johnson</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 12:40:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>This is all interesting.  But Obama doesn't have the power to unilaterally raise a gas tax.  And Congress is in the middle of finding it's soul.</p><p>This is what he could do -- now.  Lets hope other good ideas written above come about as well.</p>
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				<p>This is all interesting.  But Obama doesn't have the power to unilaterally raise a gas tax.  And Congress is in the middle of finding it's soul.</p><p>This is what he could do -- now.  Lets hope other good ideas written above come about as well.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by sialia</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 13:00:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Better information can also help.&nbsp;Easy steps&nbsp;like improving fuel efficiency from 10 to 20 mpg&nbsp;actually provides&nbsp;more savings than improving from 25 to 50 mpg for the same distance of driving. Think gallons per mile. See: <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080619142118.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080619142118.htm&nbsp;</a></p>
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				<p>Better information can also help.&nbsp;Easy steps&nbsp;like improving fuel efficiency from 10 to 20 mpg&nbsp;actually provides&nbsp;more savings than improving from 25 to 50 mpg for the same distance of driving. Think gallons per mile. See: <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080619142118.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080619142118.htm&nbsp;</a></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Christopher S. Johnson</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 13:06:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>For that INDIVIDUAL and their pocketbook, RELATIVE to what they had before, yes.  But for ALL of us and CO2 pollution, the 50 mpg is still a necessary move for the owner of the 25 mpg vehicle.  </p>
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				<p>For that INDIVIDUAL and their pocketbook, RELATIVE to what they had before, yes.  But for ALL of us and CO2 pollution, the 50 mpg is still a necessary move for the owner of the 25 mpg vehicle.  </p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Noah Pollock</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 16:49:39 -0700</pubDate>
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				Lots of food for thought. It is worth mentioning that fuel consumed is a function of both fuel efficiency and total vehicle miles traveled (vmt). While fuel efficiency has been increasing in the past fifty years, vmt has been increasing faster. (The same, incidentally, applies to the economy - while our emissions/gdp have been decreasing, our total emissions rise because the economy keeps growing). 

In terms of VMT, land use decisions and policies play a huge role. But this is typically left to local governments. 

For those interested in this topic, at the Institute for Global Sustainability's courses in ecological economics (<a href="http://learn.uvm.edu/igs" rel="nofollow">http://learn.uvm.edu/igs ) students in classes happening on campus and online explore these types of trends in greater detail.</a>
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				Lots of food for thought. It is worth mentioning that fuel consumed is a function of both fuel efficiency and total vehicle miles traveled (vmt). While fuel efficiency has been increasing in the past fifty years, vmt has been increasing faster. (The same, incidentally, applies to the economy - while our emissions/gdp have been decreasing, our total emissions rise because the economy keeps growing). 

In terms of VMT, land use decisions and policies play a huge role. But this is typically left to local governments. 

For those interested in this topic, at the Institute for Global Sustainability's courses in ecological economics (<a href="http://learn.uvm.edu/igs" rel="nofollow">http://learn.uvm.edu/igs ) students in classes happening on campus and online explore these types of trends in greater detail.</a>
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            <title>Comment #6 by apsmith</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 19:18:50 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Though I hasten to add, if you're going to have CAFE-like rules, make them as tight as possible. So kudos to Obama for doing this, and I don't think the arguments in this article make it one bit less right to tighten them up.</p><p>What manufacturers should do, given CAFE, is realize that it constrains them to pair up vehicles, in a sense. They can only sell a (profitable) Hummer if they also sell (at a loss) a Volt, because of how the average fuel economy works between the two. So given that constraint, the profit shouldn't all be allocated to the Hummer in manufacturing accounting, but should be evenly divided between the two cars, because you can't sell the Hummer without the efficient car to meet the average requirements.</p><p>Let's just hope Detroit gets managers and finance folk smart enough to figure this stuff out.</p>
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				<p>Though I hasten to add, if you're going to have CAFE-like rules, make them as tight as possible. So kudos to Obama for doing this, and I don't think the arguments in this article make it one bit less right to tighten them up.</p><p>What manufacturers should do, given CAFE, is realize that it constrains them to pair up vehicles, in a sense. They can only sell a (profitable) Hummer if they also sell (at a loss) a Volt, because of how the average fuel economy works between the two. So given that constraint, the profit shouldn't all be allocated to the Hummer in manufacturing accounting, but should be evenly divided between the two cars, because you can't sell the Hummer without the efficient car to meet the average requirements.</p><p>Let's just hope Detroit gets managers and finance folk smart enough to figure this stuff out.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Royal Enfield</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 21:35:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Obama is a political ninja of a caliber seen only once every couple of generations and his achievement today cannot be understated.&nbsp;</p><p>More efficient cars are an important part of addressing greenhouse gasses from the transportation sector.&nbsp; However; unless we also address land use policies any technological improvements we make in our vehicles will be offset by the amount of miles that these vehicles will travel. Since World War II, we have become increasingly dependent on the automobile and, as a result, land is being consumed for development at a rate almost three times faster than population growth, causing carbon emissions to rise while reducing the amount of forested land available for carbon absorption. In order to address this issue, we must change our approach to land use and encourage smart growth principals incorporating higher density mixed-use development, an interconnected street network, and a variety of transportation options including mass transit, biking and walking. Where such development tools are used, people tend to drive 20% to 40% less.&nbsp; Such local level policies employed in tandem with federal actions will prove to be effective.</p>
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				<p>Obama is a political ninja of a caliber seen only once every couple of generations and his achievement today cannot be understated.&nbsp;</p><p>More efficient cars are an important part of addressing greenhouse gasses from the transportation sector.&nbsp; However; unless we also address land use policies any technological improvements we make in our vehicles will be offset by the amount of miles that these vehicles will travel. Since World War II, we have become increasingly dependent on the automobile and, as a result, land is being consumed for development at a rate almost three times faster than population growth, causing carbon emissions to rise while reducing the amount of forested land available for carbon absorption. In order to address this issue, we must change our approach to land use and encourage smart growth principals incorporating higher density mixed-use development, an interconnected street network, and a variety of transportation options including mass transit, biking and walking. Where such development tools are used, people tend to drive 20% to 40% less.&nbsp; Such local level policies employed in tandem with federal actions will prove to be effective.</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Dave from Canada</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 12:49:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Two fundamental mistakes:</p><p>1. Confusing the impact of higher mileage with lower gas prices.&nbsp; Yes, both have the impact of putting more dollars in consumers pockets.&nbsp; But lower gas prices result in more driving, while higher mileage cars don't necessarily.&nbsp; When gas prices are higher - as they soon will be, due to both carbon pricing and peak oil - there will be a strong disincentive to drive more.&nbsp; While the marginal cost (cost per extra mile driven) might be the same with higher mileage cars as with lower gas prices, the psychology won't be the same.&nbsp; Motorists are not exactly rational economic actors; when gas prices are high, most of them will drive less, whether their cars are efficient or not.</p><p>2. Cash for clunkers.&nbsp; How can anyone still seriously argue for this?&nbsp; We have known for more than a decade that at least a third of the emissions of any car is embedded in its manufacture.&nbsp; Cash for clunkers is great for automakers, but let's not kid ourselves that it's good for the environment.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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				<p>Two fundamental mistakes:</p><p>1. Confusing the impact of higher mileage with lower gas prices.&nbsp; Yes, both have the impact of putting more dollars in consumers pockets.&nbsp; But lower gas prices result in more driving, while higher mileage cars don't necessarily.&nbsp; When gas prices are higher - as they soon will be, due to both carbon pricing and peak oil - there will be a strong disincentive to drive more.&nbsp; While the marginal cost (cost per extra mile driven) might be the same with higher mileage cars as with lower gas prices, the psychology won't be the same.&nbsp; Motorists are not exactly rational economic actors; when gas prices are high, most of them will drive less, whether their cars are efficient or not.</p><p>2. Cash for clunkers.&nbsp; How can anyone still seriously argue for this?&nbsp; We have known for more than a decade that at least a third of the emissions of any car is embedded in its manufacture.&nbsp; Cash for clunkers is great for automakers, but let's not kid ourselves that it's good for the environment.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by katakanadian</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 13:51:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>It may be politically unworkable but I think we should look at gas rationing, or more precisely cheap gas rationing. Every citizen (0-110 years old) gets a ration card that entitles them to a fixed amount per year of gas at regular price. Then slap a massive gas tax  on anything beyond that. This means that a family of four gets more cheap gas to deal with driving to day care and soccer games while the single executive who wants to live 2 hours away from work gets less cheap gas. Set the ration low enough so that everyone who owns a car is likely to pay the gas tax for at least part of the year which should be shocking enough to get a lot of people switching to bikes, electric vehicles, or living more locally. Those people who are already living the right lifestyles would have cheap gas ration credits unused which they could sell to higher consumers or they could choose to retire those cheap gas credits which would be almost like leaving oil in the ground.</p><p>Better yet, just bring in a honkin' big carbon tax since coal is a much bigger problem than oil.</p>
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				<p>It may be politically unworkable but I think we should look at gas rationing, or more precisely cheap gas rationing. Every citizen (0-110 years old) gets a ration card that entitles them to a fixed amount per year of gas at regular price. Then slap a massive gas tax  on anything beyond that. This means that a family of four gets more cheap gas to deal with driving to day care and soccer games while the single executive who wants to live 2 hours away from work gets less cheap gas. Set the ration low enough so that everyone who owns a car is likely to pay the gas tax for at least part of the year which should be shocking enough to get a lot of people switching to bikes, electric vehicles, or living more locally. Those people who are already living the right lifestyles would have cheap gas ration credits unused which they could sell to higher consumers or they could choose to retire those cheap gas credits which would be almost like leaving oil in the ground.</p><p>Better yet, just bring in a honkin' big carbon tax since coal is a much bigger problem than oil.</p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by splashy</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 10:55:01 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>It seems that it will take a while for the mileage to be raised in vehicles, while the gas prices go up pretty much continually. I remember 26 cents a gallon.</p><p>Therefore, the tendency to drive more miles because your vehicle gets better mileage will be offset by the higher price per gallon, leading to about the same amount of miles driven, at the same total price spent.</p><p>Gas prices rise fairly quickly when they do rise, better mileage in vehicles is a slow process (unless they atually start letting us buy the ones that have been sold in other countries for years now). It all evens out after a while, and I'm thinking that's what they are thinking.</p>
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				<p>It seems that it will take a while for the mileage to be raised in vehicles, while the gas prices go up pretty much continually. I remember 26 cents a gallon.</p><p>Therefore, the tendency to drive more miles because your vehicle gets better mileage will be offset by the higher price per gallon, leading to about the same amount of miles driven, at the same total price spent.</p><p>Gas prices rise fairly quickly when they do rise, better mileage in vehicles is a slow process (unless they atually start letting us buy the ones that have been sold in other countries for years now). It all evens out after a while, and I'm thinking that's what they are thinking.</p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by sameer</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:21:21 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Hi all - One key issue surrounding the discussion of fuel economy is
the initiative that drivers in the U.S. can take on their own to reduce
their gasoline consumption. Obviously, higher fuel economy standards
are a huge factor, but if we could only get drivers to take a few
simple steps, like checking the air pressure in their tires every
month, driving the speed limit, getting regularly scheduled tune ups,
etc., the reduction in gas consumption would be enormous. Drivers would
barely have to bat an eye to become more efficient with their gas use,
and as U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu wrote, &ldquo;Energy efficiency is
not just low-hanging fruit; it is fruit that is lying on the ground&rdquo;.<br /><br />To
that end, I&rsquo;m actually working as a communications intern on the Drive
Smarter Challenge with the Alliance to Save Energy. It is a public
awareness campaign that was launched to encourage drivers to reduce
their gasoline consumption through following a number of easy to do
tips. For instance, each 5 mph you drive over 60 mph is like paying an
additional 24 cents per gallon for gas.<br /><br />Please visit the website at <a href="http://drivesmarterchallenge.org/default.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://drivesmarterchallenge.org... and take the challenge, and ask your friends and family as well.
Knowledge is power, and the more we can get the word out about this,
the better.<p class="user">&mdash; Sameer Ranade, Washington, D.C.</p></a></br></br></br></br></p>
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				<p>Hi all - One key issue surrounding the discussion of fuel economy is
the initiative that drivers in the U.S. can take on their own to reduce
their gasoline consumption. Obviously, higher fuel economy standards
are a huge factor, but if we could only get drivers to take a few
simple steps, like checking the air pressure in their tires every
month, driving the speed limit, getting regularly scheduled tune ups,
etc., the reduction in gas consumption would be enormous. Drivers would
barely have to bat an eye to become more efficient with their gas use,
and as U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu wrote, &ldquo;Energy efficiency is
not just low-hanging fruit; it is fruit that is lying on the ground&rdquo;.<br /><br />To
that end, I&rsquo;m actually working as a communications intern on the Drive
Smarter Challenge with the Alliance to Save Energy. It is a public
awareness campaign that was launched to encourage drivers to reduce
their gasoline consumption through following a number of easy to do
tips. For instance, each 5 mph you drive over 60 mph is like paying an
additional 24 cents per gallon for gas.<br /><br />Please visit the website at <a href="http://drivesmarterchallenge.org/default.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://drivesmarterchallenge.org... and take the challenge, and ask your friends and family as well.
Knowledge is power, and the more we can get the word out about this,
the better.<p class="user">&mdash; Sameer Ranade, Washington, D.C.</p></a></br></br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by drewtiss</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:40:44 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p>Some groups have the initiative to do their part. They modify <a href="http://www.thepartsbin.com/guides/pontiac.html" rel="nofollow">pontiac parts such as fuel injectors of their rides to affect its fuel eco. Most of them owned a 1998 Pontiac Firefly models.</a></p>
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				<p>Some groups have the initiative to do their part. They modify <a href="http://www.thepartsbin.com/guides/pontiac.html" rel="nofollow">pontiac parts such as fuel injectors of their rides to affect its fuel eco. Most of them owned a 1998 Pontiac Firefly models.</a></p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by Marry</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:40:25 -0700</pubDate>
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