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            <title>Comment #1 by ce1907</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 05:00:59 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>no navel gazing</strong></p><p>in a knife fight</p><p>
Lov*ey will back with a razor at your throat</p><p>
soon</p><p>
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				<p><strong>no navel gazing</strong></p><p>in a knife fight</p><p>
Lov*ey will back with a razor at your throat</p><p>
soon</p><p>
and again and again and again</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Anna Haynes</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 05:28:18 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>What's the best outcome?  Ask for it.<p>David, in your Politico letter you said "the maneuverings of various industries and interest groups are well worth documenting."<p>
IMO, Politico <strong>owes its public now, on the issue of climate science &amp; consequences; and to atone to their readers, they should bring on someone (Oreskes? Gelbspan? Mooney?) to bring the readers up to speed as to why this disinformation has been occurring - it's not enough just to "erase" those two articles with your letter, they need to move public understanding forward - and the most effective way would be to shed light on the actors and efforts that have generated such public confusion for so long.<br>
(and from what I've seen here in the hinterlands, the public is still clueless about the denial industry.)<p>
My community recently experienced something similar, BTW - a (reformed, he asserted, though it's hard to tell from the <a href="http://dotearthaction.wordpress.com/our-actions/talking-back-to-inactivist-on-call-in-radio/transcript-of-dr-robert-c-balling-jr-call-in-part-i/" rel="nofollow">transcript) denier appeared on a local radio station. &nbsp;And locally too, I'm suggesting that the followup should involve bringing someone on who can not just "undo" the impression this fellow left, but actually move public understanding forward.</a></p></br></strong></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>What's the best outcome?  Ask for it.<p>David, in your Politico letter you said "the maneuverings of various industries and interest groups are well worth documenting."<p>
IMO, Politico <strong>owes its public now, on the issue of climate science &amp; consequences; and to atone to their readers, they should bring on someone (Oreskes? Gelbspan? Mooney?) to bring the readers up to speed as to why this disinformation has been occurring - it's not enough just to "erase" those two articles with your letter, they need to move public understanding forward - and the most effective way would be to shed light on the actors and efforts that have generated such public confusion for so long.<br>
(and from what I've seen here in the hinterlands, the public is still clueless about the denial industry.)<p>
My community recently experienced something similar, BTW - a (reformed, he asserted, though it's hard to tell from the <a href="http://dotearthaction.wordpress.com/our-actions/talking-back-to-inactivist-on-call-in-radio/transcript-of-dr-robert-c-balling-jr-call-in-part-i/" rel="nofollow">transcript) denier appeared on a local radio station. &nbsp;And locally too, I'm suggesting that the followup should involve bringing someone on who can not just "undo" the impression this fellow left, but actually move public understanding forward.</a></p></br></strong></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Jon Rynn</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 06:35:29 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Hey, Russ</strong></p><p>how about an occassional post or two -- an op-ed-ish kind of thing (Dave too, of course)</p>
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				<p><strong>Hey, Russ</strong></p><p>how about an occassional post or two -- an op-ed-ish kind of thing (Dave too, of course)</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by naught101</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:22:31 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Evolution?<p>having undergone peer review of a scope and intensity beyond any other scientific theory in memory<br>
Maybe. Evolution would be a contender.<p>
Mistake in the first sentence in the last paragraph:<br>
The deniers and <strong>they interests they're fronting for will be back.

<p>check out <a href="http://www.envirowiki.info" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"> <a href="http://www.envirowiki.info" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.envirowiki.info, the knowledge database for environmentalists and activists.</a></a></p></strong></br></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Evolution?<p>having undergone peer review of a scope and intensity beyond any other scientific theory in memory<br>
Maybe. Evolution would be a contender.<p>
Mistake in the first sentence in the last paragraph:<br>
The deniers and <strong>they interests they're fronting for will be back.

<p>check out <a href="http://www.envirowiki.info" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow"> <a href="http://www.envirowiki.info" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.envirowiki.info, the knowledge database for environmentalists and activists.</a></a></p></strong></br></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Anna Haynes</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:30:48 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Also in 11/27 Politico, Glenn Hurowitz<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/16036.html" rel="nofollow">Scientists: Earth is still heating up</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Also in 11/27 Politico, Glenn Hurowitz<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/16036.html" rel="nofollow">Scientists: Earth is still heating up</a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:13:50 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Stop Foot Dragging, Democrats<p><br>
Look, you guys have a Democrat President, a full Democrat Congress that is near (or perhaps even truly) filibuster proof. &nbsp; Al Gore could probably be annointed as a god of State by the current people soon to be in power.<p>
I don't see why you waste your time going after a few people who raised a red flag.<p>
If you want to reduce Co2 emissions -- go ahead. &nbsp;You have the mandate.<p>
It's like why do SNL comedians still make jokes about Sarah Palin?<p>
Reason -- because it's easier to complain than to get things done.<p>
But when you do -- please take all the responsibility...along with the credit. &nbsp; If -- o, if -- you should be wrong.

<p>Texeme.Construct.<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com/viewtopic.php?t=3257&amp;sid=0dc6017d2a03802576037fa13a5ba828" rel="nofollow">Questioner</a></p></p></p></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Stop Foot Dragging, Democrats<p><br>
Look, you guys have a Democrat President, a full Democrat Congress that is near (or perhaps even truly) filibuster proof. &nbsp; Al Gore could probably be annointed as a god of State by the current people soon to be in power.<p>
I don't see why you waste your time going after a few people who raised a red flag.<p>
If you want to reduce Co2 emissions -- go ahead. &nbsp;You have the mandate.<p>
It's like why do SNL comedians still make jokes about Sarah Palin?<p>
Reason -- because it's easier to complain than to get things done.<p>
But when you do -- please take all the responsibility...along with the credit. &nbsp; If -- o, if -- you should be wrong.

<p>Texeme.Construct.<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com/viewtopic.php?t=3257&amp;sid=0dc6017d2a03802576037fa13a5ba828" rel="nofollow">Questioner</a></p></p></p></p></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Bob Wallace</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:38:29 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Checked your calendar jabailo?</strong></p><p>It is not yet January 20, 2009.</p><p>
Your guy is still in the White House. &nbsp;</p><p>
And you guys still have almost an equal vote in the Senate.</p><p>
How about bringing up the "foot dragging" issue again? &nbsp;Say mid-February....</p>
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				<p><strong>Checked your calendar jabailo?</strong></p><p>It is not yet January 20, 2009.</p><p>
Your guy is still in the White House. &nbsp;</p><p>
And you guys still have almost an equal vote in the Senate.</p><p>
How about bringing up the "foot dragging" issue again? &nbsp;Say mid-February....</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:50:08 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Actually Erika was used</strong></p><p>The people who run the site obviously wanted "fair and balanced" reporting in order to gain political "credibility". &nbsp;Erika agreed to provide that. &nbsp;</p><p>
Media that sticks to the facts on GHG climate change is labeled as having a liberal bias. &nbsp;It's just that simple.</p><p>
Senior editors and producers, many of whom are not aware of the facts, hire and promote people like Erika who are willing to ignore facts in the name of political correctness.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin </p></p>
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				<p><strong>Actually Erika was used</strong></p><p>The people who run the site obviously wanted "fair and balanced" reporting in order to gain political "credibility". &nbsp;Erika agreed to provide that. &nbsp;</p><p>
Media that sticks to the facts on GHG climate change is labeled as having a liberal bias. &nbsp;It's just that simple.</p><p>
Senior editors and producers, many of whom are not aware of the facts, hire and promote people like Erika who are willing to ignore facts in the name of political correctness.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin </p></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Whiskerfish</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:49:36 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>This s**t has gone around the world</strong></p><p>Just a quick note: One can't soft-pedal Loveley's nonsense. These articles get circulated all around the world, into places where there are not enough debunkers to counter them.</p><p>
South Africa has the world's fifth-largest coal reserves. There is a HUGE push to hugely expand coal-burning to an extent that would make this country easily the highest per-capita user of coal in the world. </p><p>
I have documented how local 'experts', funded by Exxon-supported entities in the US and using the same talking points, tactics and references as US-based deniers, have influenced the govt to ignore global warming. (We're not talking small-town newspaper punditry -- we're talking people being invited to dinners with govt. ministers to get them to change policy.)</p><p>
The deniers here have had a nearly free ride because there are very few journos who have the background in climate change or the investigative nouse to expose them (my articles stand alone in the wilderness, so to speak). Loveley needs to be shot down, early and loudly, to stop her nonsense spreading.</p><p>
She's only a cub, you say. Tough. The media biz is tough. If I had anything to say to her it would be 'welcome to the world, baby, now pick yourself off the ground and don't screw up like that again. The planet matters more than your feelings.'</p><p>
Cheers</p><p>
Whiskerfish</p>
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				<p><strong>This s**t has gone around the world</strong></p><p>Just a quick note: One can't soft-pedal Loveley's nonsense. These articles get circulated all around the world, into places where there are not enough debunkers to counter them.</p><p>
South Africa has the world's fifth-largest coal reserves. There is a HUGE push to hugely expand coal-burning to an extent that would make this country easily the highest per-capita user of coal in the world. </p><p>
I have documented how local 'experts', funded by Exxon-supported entities in the US and using the same talking points, tactics and references as US-based deniers, have influenced the govt to ignore global warming. (We're not talking small-town newspaper punditry -- we're talking people being invited to dinners with govt. ministers to get them to change policy.)</p><p>
The deniers here have had a nearly free ride because there are very few journos who have the background in climate change or the investigative nouse to expose them (my articles stand alone in the wilderness, so to speak). Loveley needs to be shot down, early and loudly, to stop her nonsense spreading.</p><p>
She's only a cub, you say. Tough. The media biz is tough. If I had anything to say to her it would be 'welcome to the world, baby, now pick yourself off the ground and don't screw up like that again. The planet matters more than your feelings.'</p><p>
Cheers</p><p>
Whiskerfish</p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by Anna Haynes</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:40:23 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Whiskerfish, links please</strong></p><p>&gt; "I have documented how local 'experts'..."</p><p>
Whiskerfish, provide links please.</p><p>
&gt; The planet matters more than your feelings.</p><p>
Amen to this. &nbsp;Too many people have trouble grasping it.</p>
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				<p><strong>Whiskerfish, links please</strong></p><p>&gt; "I have documented how local 'experts'..."</p><p>
Whiskerfish, provide links please.</p><p>
&gt; The planet matters more than your feelings.</p><p>
Amen to this. &nbsp;Too many people have trouble grasping it.</p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:40:45 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Politico still doesn't get it<p>Note the use of the term "climate change advocates" --- now that is a term that should really only apply to the coal lobby. &nbsp;Instead, it's being used the same way that "abortion advocates" is being used to trash people who don't think the government has any business deciding whether a woman must carry a pregnancy to term.<p>
People who advocate for a clear understanding of physical reality aren't "climate change advocates" and deniers and confusionists aren't "skeptics."

<p>The <a href="http://is.gd/39gm" rel="nofollow">5% Project

Let's live on the planet as if we intend to stay.</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Politico still doesn't get it<p>Note the use of the term "climate change advocates" --- now that is a term that should really only apply to the coal lobby. &nbsp;Instead, it's being used the same way that "abortion advocates" is being used to trash people who don't think the government has any business deciding whether a woman must carry a pregnancy to term.<p>
People who advocate for a clear understanding of physical reality aren't "climate change advocates" and deniers and confusionists aren't "skeptics."

<p>The <a href="http://is.gd/39gm" rel="nofollow">5% Project

Let's live on the planet as if we intend to stay.</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:58:01 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>On the bright side</strong></p><p>Look who we get to read here. &nbsp;Try to compare Kate's political/enviro reporting to this stuff from politico. &nbsp;You can't.</p><p>
Incomparable! &nbsp;Read it and weep Politico.</p><p>
The execs around here seem to be fully aware of the facts.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin </p></p>
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				<p><strong>On the bright side</strong></p><p>Look who we get to read here. &nbsp;Try to compare Kate's political/enviro reporting to this stuff from politico. &nbsp;You can't.</p><p>
Incomparable! &nbsp;Read it and weep Politico.</p><p>
The execs around here seem to be fully aware of the facts.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin </p></p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by Anna Haynes</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:55:02 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Ah.  Confusionist.</strong></p><p>That's the term we should be using. &nbsp;Thank you JMG.<br>
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				<p><strong>Ah.  Confusionist.</strong></p><p>That's the term we should be using. &nbsp;Thank you JMG.<br>
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            <title>Comment #14 by Whiskerfish</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:20:53 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>URLs: S African denialist articles<p><a href="http://www.noseweek.co.za/article.php?current_article=1394" rel="nofollow">http://www.noseweek.co.za/article.php?current_article=139 ...<p>
and<p>
<a href="http://www.noseweek.co.za/article.php?current_article=1433" rel="nofollow">http://www.noseweek.co.za/article.php?current_article=143 ...<p>
and even<p>
<a href="http://www.noseweek.co.za/article.php?current_article=1362" rel="nofollow">http://www.noseweek.co.za/article.php?current_article=136 ...<p>
Subscription required -- with the exchange rate being what it is, very affordable for US$-earning folk.<p>
Whiskerfish</p></p></a></p></p></a></p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>URLs: S African denialist articles<p><a href="http://www.noseweek.co.za/article.php?current_article=1394" rel="nofollow">http://www.noseweek.co.za/article.php?current_article=139 ...<p>
and<p>
<a href="http://www.noseweek.co.za/article.php?current_article=1433" rel="nofollow">http://www.noseweek.co.za/article.php?current_article=143 ...<p>
and even<p>
<a href="http://www.noseweek.co.za/article.php?current_article=1362" rel="nofollow">http://www.noseweek.co.za/article.php?current_article=136 ...<p>
Subscription required -- with the exchange rate being what it is, very affordable for US$-earning folk.<p>
Whiskerfish</p></p></a></p></p></a></p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #15 by Hamnick</title>
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				<p><strong>Erika doesn't deserve much sympathy</strong></p><p>Oh, wow, I was so incensed by this article that I actually opened an account!</p><p>
Lovely doesn't deserve any sympathy. She's a lousy, lazy reporter. Anyone who has read stories on gloabl warming for at least the last 5 years would know exactly where Inhofe is coming from. &nbsp;The woman can't do a google search? It's the kind of crap I would have written in high school, when I thought it was much more important to generate controversy and make a name for myself than to worry about actual facts. To all the bloggers who went after her, I'd say, "Bring it on!" &nbsp;Maybe she'll learn a lesson before she does any more damage. </p><p>
And despite their mea culpa, Politico has no excuse either.</p>
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				<p><strong>Erika doesn't deserve much sympathy</strong></p><p>Oh, wow, I was so incensed by this article that I actually opened an account!</p><p>
Lovely doesn't deserve any sympathy. She's a lousy, lazy reporter. Anyone who has read stories on gloabl warming for at least the last 5 years would know exactly where Inhofe is coming from. &nbsp;The woman can't do a google search? It's the kind of crap I would have written in high school, when I thought it was much more important to generate controversy and make a name for myself than to worry about actual facts. To all the bloggers who went after her, I'd say, "Bring it on!" &nbsp;Maybe she'll learn a lesson before she does any more damage. </p><p>
And despite their mea culpa, Politico has no excuse either.</p>
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            <title>Comment #16 by Pangolin</title>
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				<p><strong>What? She can't Google?<p>Right up there at the top of she use's phrases like "global cooling theory" and "global cooling science" that have about as much validity as the abiotic oil whackos. There are a number of "global cooling" hypothesis but there is no "theory" in the scientific sense. <p>
This article should have been properly labeled an advertisement and it's sponsors published. There was no reporting there.

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>What? She can't Google?<p>Right up there at the top of she use's phrases like "global cooling theory" and "global cooling science" that have about as much validity as the abiotic oil whackos. There are a number of "global cooling" hypothesis but there is no "theory" in the scientific sense. <p>
This article should have been properly labeled an advertisement and it's sponsors published. There was no reporting there.

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>So?</strong></p><p>Does Grist have any decent push back "primer" on this whole "31,000 scientists" argument?

<p>-David Ahlport</p></p>
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				<p><strong>So?</strong></p><p>Does Grist have any decent push back "primer" on this whole "31,000 scientists" argument?

<p>-David Ahlport</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #18 by MentalDeficit</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/fool-me-once1/</link>
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				<p><strong>Eradicate Disinformation, don't Apologize!</strong></p><p>David and Russ: &nbsp;I strongly object to your apologies. &nbsp;Why? &nbsp;Because you have confused courtesy with ethics. &nbsp;If you apologize to Erika Lovley and Politico, then to be consistent, you also owe ExxonMobil many apologies! &nbsp;</p><p>
"Journalistic Ethics" requires a minimal degree of skepticism and fact-checking. &nbsp;David wrote, "Erika Lovley ... is either the most dimwitted, gullible reporter in D.C. or ... um, I can't think of another explanation." &nbsp;The only problem with that characterization is that David missed the other (even more "discourteous") explanation: &nbsp;That Erika Lovley committed journalistic negligence in her embrace of <strong>venality</strong>. &nbsp;</p><p>
Politico's mistake was twofold: &nbsp;(1) Hiring a reporter that incompetent or venal, and (2) Failing to exercise basic editorial oversight responsibility. </p><p>
<strong>DISINFORMATION</strong> is far more damaging than any physical pollutant. &nbsp;Not only does disinfo have a longer "residence time" in the cultural environment, it also can <strong>reproduce</strong> exponentially. &nbsp;What Politico did, was equivalent to re-introducing <strong>smallpox</strong> among the broad population, just when a long and costly vaccination campaign had eradicated it among the broad population (by confining it to Inhofe's Oklahoma and the Saxby Chambliss cesspools of Georgia). </p><p>
Disinformation is a pathogen. &nbsp;The public-health approach to virulent pathogens is to <strong>identify</strong> dangerous carriers, quarantine them to protect the public, and only then, to treat those carriers. &nbsp;</p><p>
So David and Russ -- please get clear about your <strong>own</strong> responsibilities, as human beings and as journalists. &nbsp;The "Emily Post" school of journalistic etiquette would have you write an article titled, "Climate Disinfo Pathogen Escapes Confinement; Threatens all Humanity!" &nbsp;But it would be "discourteous" and "unfair", if you actually <strong>informed</strong> the public about WHO carried this new infection, or WHERE the outbreak occurred. </p><p>
Please wake up and do your job. &nbsp;Or do you think Obama will singlehandedly save us from Disinformation? &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
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				<p><strong>Eradicate Disinformation, don't Apologize!</strong></p><p>David and Russ: &nbsp;I strongly object to your apologies. &nbsp;Why? &nbsp;Because you have confused courtesy with ethics. &nbsp;If you apologize to Erika Lovley and Politico, then to be consistent, you also owe ExxonMobil many apologies! &nbsp;</p><p>
"Journalistic Ethics" requires a minimal degree of skepticism and fact-checking. &nbsp;David wrote, "Erika Lovley ... is either the most dimwitted, gullible reporter in D.C. or ... um, I can't think of another explanation." &nbsp;The only problem with that characterization is that David missed the other (even more "discourteous") explanation: &nbsp;That Erika Lovley committed journalistic negligence in her embrace of <strong>venality</strong>. &nbsp;</p><p>
Politico's mistake was twofold: &nbsp;(1) Hiring a reporter that incompetent or venal, and (2) Failing to exercise basic editorial oversight responsibility. </p><p>
<strong>DISINFORMATION</strong> is far more damaging than any physical pollutant. &nbsp;Not only does disinfo have a longer "residence time" in the cultural environment, it also can <strong>reproduce</strong> exponentially. &nbsp;What Politico did, was equivalent to re-introducing <strong>smallpox</strong> among the broad population, just when a long and costly vaccination campaign had eradicated it among the broad population (by confining it to Inhofe's Oklahoma and the Saxby Chambliss cesspools of Georgia). </p><p>
Disinformation is a pathogen. &nbsp;The public-health approach to virulent pathogens is to <strong>identify</strong> dangerous carriers, quarantine them to protect the public, and only then, to treat those carriers. &nbsp;</p><p>
So David and Russ -- please get clear about your <strong>own</strong> responsibilities, as human beings and as journalists. &nbsp;The "Emily Post" school of journalistic etiquette would have you write an article titled, "Climate Disinfo Pathogen Escapes Confinement; Threatens all Humanity!" &nbsp;But it would be "discourteous" and "unfair", if you actually <strong>informed</strong> the public about WHO carried this new infection, or WHERE the outbreak occurred. </p><p>
Please wake up and do your job. &nbsp;Or do you think Obama will singlehandedly save us from Disinformation? &nbsp; &nbsp;<br>
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