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            <title>Comment #1 by redambrosia99</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 01:41:55 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>bah!</strong></p><p>What's a girl to do to get a good light weight water bottle!? &nbsp;Behold the evil little 7 on the bottom of my water bottle! humbug!</p>
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				<p><strong>bah!</strong></p><p>What's a girl to do to get a good light weight water bottle!? &nbsp;Behold the evil little 7 on the bottom of my water bottle! humbug!</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by lostdogcanada</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 01:48:36 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Health Canada and BPA<p>It should be noted that Health Canada has only banned BPA in baby bottles, and even then it stated that it was safe enough for use in the bottles, however it was just too close for comfort. &nbsp;Canada has NOT banned BPA in any other bottles. &nbsp;Here is the link for their responses:<p>
<a href="http://www.chemicalsubstanceschimiques.gc.ca/challenge-defi/bisphenol-a_e.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chemicalsubstanceschimiques.gc.ca/challenge-defi/bisphenol-a_e.html<p>
Also, while Nalgene and Camelbak have discontinued their use of BPA, they have done so NOT because they were unsafe, but because of the massive public panic against them.<p>
Just thought I should clarify a few points that were left out.</p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Health Canada and BPA<p>It should be noted that Health Canada has only banned BPA in baby bottles, and even then it stated that it was safe enough for use in the bottles, however it was just too close for comfort. &nbsp;Canada has NOT banned BPA in any other bottles. &nbsp;Here is the link for their responses:<p>
<a href="http://www.chemicalsubstanceschimiques.gc.ca/challenge-defi/bisphenol-a_e.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chemicalsubstanceschimiques.gc.ca/challenge-defi/bisphenol-a_e.html<p>
Also, while Nalgene and Camelbak have discontinued their use of BPA, they have done so NOT because they were unsafe, but because of the massive public panic against them.<p>
Just thought I should clarify a few points that were left out.</p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 03:45:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Thirst-o-rama!</strong></p><p>There is nothing at all the matter with that model water-drinker's figure, is there.</p>
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				<p><strong>Thirst-o-rama!</strong></p><p>There is nothing at all the matter with that model water-drinker's figure, is there.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by latenac</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 04:05:27 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>canned tomatoes?</strong></p><p>So no canned tomatoes either? I can live without plastic water bottles and canned foods except canned tomatoes and canned red curry paste. Good lord.</p>
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				<p><strong>canned tomatoes?</strong></p><p>So no canned tomatoes either? I can live without plastic water bottles and canned foods except canned tomatoes and canned red curry paste. Good lord.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by 2wheeler</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 04:19:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>stainless steel water bottles</strong></p><p>I decided to get some stainless steel water bottles for each member of my household a couple months ago, after reading about this for a while. The bottle still has a plastic cap but it is durable and washable. &nbsp;I was having trouble getting another bottle clean after a while and thought the metal would be better for that purpose also.</p><p>
As with most other chemicals, the presence of heat (hot liquids, or heated cans) would be likely to release more of the offensive BPA from the plastic into the container's food contents. &nbsp;This article is the first one I've seen to link BPA to canned food liners. &nbsp;I understand that canned food is packaged under heat (pasteurization) and that makes me concerned about leaching of the BPA into the food, be it canned fruit or canned tomatoes or soup concentrate (to name a few in my own pantry).</p><p>
Thanks Umbra. Must seek out frozen foods and invest in better labeling/organizing system for my &nbsp;basement chest freezer.</p>
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				<p><strong>stainless steel water bottles</strong></p><p>I decided to get some stainless steel water bottles for each member of my household a couple months ago, after reading about this for a while. The bottle still has a plastic cap but it is durable and washable. &nbsp;I was having trouble getting another bottle clean after a while and thought the metal would be better for that purpose also.</p><p>
As with most other chemicals, the presence of heat (hot liquids, or heated cans) would be likely to release more of the offensive BPA from the plastic into the container's food contents. &nbsp;This article is the first one I've seen to link BPA to canned food liners. &nbsp;I understand that canned food is packaged under heat (pasteurization) and that makes me concerned about leaching of the BPA into the food, be it canned fruit or canned tomatoes or soup concentrate (to name a few in my own pantry).</p><p>
Thanks Umbra. Must seek out frozen foods and invest in better labeling/organizing system for my &nbsp;basement chest freezer.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by marigoldmind</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/flex-and-effects/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 05:14:34 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Eden Cans BPA-free?<p>I have read that Eden uses cans that have the least amount of BPA for tomatoes and none at all for their beans. &nbsp;Here is what they have to say:<br>
Tomatoes -<br>
<a href="http://www.edenfoods.com/faqs/view.php?categories_id=6#faq48" rel="nofollow">http://www.edenfoods.com/faqs/view.php?categories_id=6#fa ...<br>
Beans - <br>
<a href="http://www.edenfoods.com/faqs/view.php?categories_id=5#faq43" rel="nofollow">http://www.edenfoods.com/faqs/view.php?categories_id=5#fa ...<p>
I don't work for Eden, by the way :-) I just like their products.</p></a></br></br></a></br></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Eden Cans BPA-free?<p>I have read that Eden uses cans that have the least amount of BPA for tomatoes and none at all for their beans. &nbsp;Here is what they have to say:<br>
Tomatoes -<br>
<a href="http://www.edenfoods.com/faqs/view.php?categories_id=6#faq48" rel="nofollow">http://www.edenfoods.com/faqs/view.php?categories_id=6#fa ...<br>
Beans - <br>
<a href="http://www.edenfoods.com/faqs/view.php?categories_id=5#faq43" rel="nofollow">http://www.edenfoods.com/faqs/view.php?categories_id=5#fa ...<p>
I don't work for Eden, by the way :-) I just like their products.</p></a></br></br></a></br></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by latenac</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 06:11:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>still has BPAs in it though</strong></p><p>I agree veggies are better fresh or frozen. But there are staple pantry items that are affected by this that you can't get frozen and some you can't get fresh without significantly increasing costs and/or time. Thinking coconut milk, anchovies, canned tomatoes, curry pastes, canned legumes, etc. Given the economy and the already almost elitist issues with local and organic food it's rather cavalier to just say - let them eat fresh or let them eat frozen. Organic food purchases are already dropping precipitously as gas prices go up. If we really want to convert other people to wanting to do what's best for the planet and even our own health the assumption that people aren't living from paycheck to 4 days before the next paycheck is going &nbsp;to have to go.</p>
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				<p><strong>still has BPAs in it though</strong></p><p>I agree veggies are better fresh or frozen. But there are staple pantry items that are affected by this that you can't get frozen and some you can't get fresh without significantly increasing costs and/or time. Thinking coconut milk, anchovies, canned tomatoes, curry pastes, canned legumes, etc. Given the economy and the already almost elitist issues with local and organic food it's rather cavalier to just say - let them eat fresh or let them eat frozen. Organic food purchases are already dropping precipitously as gas prices go up. If we really want to convert other people to wanting to do what's best for the planet and even our own health the assumption that people aren't living from paycheck to 4 days before the next paycheck is going &nbsp;to have to go.</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by acollins</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 09:08:53 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Questions From Snake In The Grass Nuclear Engineer</strong></p><p>Questions for My Environmental Friends (In the<br>
Interests of Coming to a Mutual "Meeting of<br>
Minds"):</p><p>
1) How do we keep several hundred million poor on<br>
this planet from starving, and yet keep taking<br>
more crop land for biofuels or environmental<br>
preserves?</p><p>
2) Can we stop climate change, using strictly<br>
renewables, without nuclear? &nbsp;I.E. I would like<br>
to see numbers on crop land acreage taken out for<br>
solar, wind, etc., &amp; how is this numerically<br>
feasible, without messing up our planetary<br>
food supplies.</p><p>
3) You seem to have strong concerns on nuclear<br>
safety. &nbsp;What are your feelings on the South<br>
African pebble bed modular nuclear reactors<br>
(PBMNR), which are allegedly passively safe?<br>
(I am aware, on the PBMNR, of the concern about<br>
accidental burning of the pebbles, due to acci-<br>
dental exposure to air. &nbsp;This is being worked on,<br>
by R &amp; D on oxide ceramic coated pebbles, such<br>
as magnesium oxide).</p><p>
4) Have you folks considered nuclear waste dis-<br>
posal in space, or into the sun, via the<br>
Slingatron hypervelocity ground to space launcher?</p><p>
5) Have you considered putting nuclear reactors<br>
in large diameter earth orbit, beaming power<br>
down to earth via microwave, and associated<br>
space waste disposal? &nbsp;This supports putting<br>
industry in space, outside our biosphere, and<br>
addresses mineral extraction from the minerally<br>
rich asteroids, to avoid mineral depletion of<br>
earth resources. &nbsp;These mineral resources are<br>
a million-fold as large as all of the mineral<br>
resources of earth.</p><p>
6) Have you considered uranium / plutonium cycle,<br>
recycling, to extend uranium fuel supplies to<br>
several hundred years, and associated nuclear<br>
proliferation concerns? &nbsp;This is currently<br>
illegal in the US (Jimmy Carter), but the<br>
French have offered to recycle our fuel for free.</p><p>
7) Have you considered uranium / thorium breeders,<br>
with resultant 600 - 2000 year world energy<br>
supplies at 10 times current generation rates?</p><p>
8) Have you considered the proliferation issues,<br>
of every country in the Middle East currently<br>
building, or planning to build, nuclear reactors<br>
either for energy production, or optimized for<br>
plutonium production, as in the case of Iran?</p><p>
9) Have you considered the rapidly developing<br>
technology of accelerator - driven sub-critical<br>
micro (house supply) or mini (small industrial<br>
facility) uranium or thorium nuclear reactors,<br>
which can be currently built by any individual<br>
or small group, without access to "critical<br>
nuclear materials"? &nbsp;Turn off the accelerator,<br>
&amp; presto, the reactor shuts down in milli-<br>
seconds.</p><p>
10) Have you considered accelerator - driven<br>
systems, for 'burning up' long-lived actinides<br>
&amp; fission debris, into short-lived radioactives<br>
or stable isotopes?</p><p>
I.E nuclear technology is in its earliest<br>
infancy...</p><p>
Regards, Art Collins, Retired Nuclear &amp;<br>
Aerospace Engineer</br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Questions From Snake In The Grass Nuclear Engineer</strong></p><p>Questions for My Environmental Friends (In the<br>
Interests of Coming to a Mutual "Meeting of<br>
Minds"):</p><p>
1) How do we keep several hundred million poor on<br>
this planet from starving, and yet keep taking<br>
more crop land for biofuels or environmental<br>
preserves?</p><p>
2) Can we stop climate change, using strictly<br>
renewables, without nuclear? &nbsp;I.E. I would like<br>
to see numbers on crop land acreage taken out for<br>
solar, wind, etc., &amp; how is this numerically<br>
feasible, without messing up our planetary<br>
food supplies.</p><p>
3) You seem to have strong concerns on nuclear<br>
safety. &nbsp;What are your feelings on the South<br>
African pebble bed modular nuclear reactors<br>
(PBMNR), which are allegedly passively safe?<br>
(I am aware, on the PBMNR, of the concern about<br>
accidental burning of the pebbles, due to acci-<br>
dental exposure to air. &nbsp;This is being worked on,<br>
by R &amp; D on oxide ceramic coated pebbles, such<br>
as magnesium oxide).</p><p>
4) Have you folks considered nuclear waste dis-<br>
posal in space, or into the sun, via the<br>
Slingatron hypervelocity ground to space launcher?</p><p>
5) Have you considered putting nuclear reactors<br>
in large diameter earth orbit, beaming power<br>
down to earth via microwave, and associated<br>
space waste disposal? &nbsp;This supports putting<br>
industry in space, outside our biosphere, and<br>
addresses mineral extraction from the minerally<br>
rich asteroids, to avoid mineral depletion of<br>
earth resources. &nbsp;These mineral resources are<br>
a million-fold as large as all of the mineral<br>
resources of earth.</p><p>
6) Have you considered uranium / plutonium cycle,<br>
recycling, to extend uranium fuel supplies to<br>
several hundred years, and associated nuclear<br>
proliferation concerns? &nbsp;This is currently<br>
illegal in the US (Jimmy Carter), but the<br>
French have offered to recycle our fuel for free.</p><p>
7) Have you considered uranium / thorium breeders,<br>
with resultant 600 - 2000 year world energy<br>
supplies at 10 times current generation rates?</p><p>
8) Have you considered the proliferation issues,<br>
of every country in the Middle East currently<br>
building, or planning to build, nuclear reactors<br>
either for energy production, or optimized for<br>
plutonium production, as in the case of Iran?</p><p>
9) Have you considered the rapidly developing<br>
technology of accelerator - driven sub-critical<br>
micro (house supply) or mini (small industrial<br>
facility) uranium or thorium nuclear reactors,<br>
which can be currently built by any individual<br>
or small group, without access to "critical<br>
nuclear materials"? &nbsp;Turn off the accelerator,<br>
&amp; presto, the reactor shuts down in milli-<br>
seconds.</p><p>
10) Have you considered accelerator - driven<br>
systems, for 'burning up' long-lived actinides<br>
&amp; fission debris, into short-lived radioactives<br>
or stable isotopes?</p><p>
I.E nuclear technology is in its earliest<br>
infancy...</p><p>
Regards, Art Collins, Retired Nuclear &amp;<br>
Aerospace Engineer</br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by gooseduckstevens</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 04:31:29 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Nalgene still OK!</strong></p><p>The old school Nalgene bottles (cloudy white plastic) that have been used for years in chemistry labs around the world are made of #2 HDPE plastic. &nbsp;They are not as easy to keep clean and not quite as durable, but no BPA and you still have that classic Nalgene design. &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>Nalgene still OK!</strong></p><p>The old school Nalgene bottles (cloudy white plastic) that have been used for years in chemistry labs around the world are made of #2 HDPE plastic. &nbsp;They are not as easy to keep clean and not quite as durable, but no BPA and you still have that classic Nalgene design. &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by ceperron</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 05:48:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Soda cans?</strong></p><p>A good authority (a scientist who studies BPA) told me that it is also used in the lining of soda cans. &nbsp;Does anybody know if this is true? &nbsp;I don't drink soda anyway, but thought it would be interesting to know.</p>
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				<p><strong>Soda cans?</strong></p><p>A good authority (a scientist who studies BPA) told me that it is also used in the lining of soda cans. &nbsp;Does anybody know if this is true? &nbsp;I don't drink soda anyway, but thought it would be interesting to know.</p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by daisyalea</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 07:58:04 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>What now!?!?</strong></p><p>I have read all of Umbra's articles on BPAs... but this article goes even further and now I am totally at a loss. &nbsp;If I can't use plastic food containers, what in the heck am I supposed to take my home-made organic lunch foods to work &amp; school in? &nbsp;I have tried glass containers and wound up with with a 25 lb lunch bag. &nbsp;I can use glass containers at home, but as a full-time employee and full-time student who has to cart 3 meals worth of food around with her all day - what the heck am I supposed to use??? &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>What now!?!?</strong></p><p>I have read all of Umbra's articles on BPAs... but this article goes even further and now I am totally at a loss. &nbsp;If I can't use plastic food containers, what in the heck am I supposed to take my home-made organic lunch foods to work &amp; school in? &nbsp;I have tried glass containers and wound up with with a 25 lb lunch bag. &nbsp;I can use glass containers at home, but as a full-time employee and full-time student who has to cart 3 meals worth of food around with her all day - what the heck am I supposed to use??? &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by gidespeach</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/flex-and-effects/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:47:11 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>NONSENSICAL !</strong></p><p>"In laboratory animals, low-dose exposure to BPA has been linked to cancer, diabetes, fertility problems, and behavior disorders."</p><p>
Why do we continue testing on animals when we don't pay attention to the test results?! </p><p>
Since when do corporations do right just because of public outcry? Nothing wrong with plastic, eh? </p>
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				<p><strong>NONSENSICAL !</strong></p><p>"In laboratory animals, low-dose exposure to BPA has been linked to cancer, diabetes, fertility problems, and behavior disorders."</p><p>
Why do we continue testing on animals when we don't pay attention to the test results?! </p><p>
Since when do corporations do right just because of public outcry? Nothing wrong with plastic, eh? </p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by chadcarson</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/flex-and-effects/</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 02:14:55 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>the anti-tupperware<p>Sigg, the Swiss aluminum bottle maker, also makes some aluminum food containers. Maybe that's the anti-tupperware you're looking.<p>
<a href="http://www.mysigg.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&amp;Category=31" rel="nofollow">http://www.mysigg.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&amp;C ...</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>the anti-tupperware<p>Sigg, the Swiss aluminum bottle maker, also makes some aluminum food containers. Maybe that's the anti-tupperware you're looking.<p>
<a href="http://www.mysigg.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&amp;Category=31" rel="nofollow">http://www.mysigg.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&amp;C ...</a></p></p></strong></p>
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