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            <title>Comment #1 by jdhlax</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:33:56 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>High Gas Taxes = Healthy Planet</strong></p><p>Alan Durning is dead wrong that high fuel prices would not change people's driving and buying habits. &nbsp;The problem is that gasoline needs to cost a lot more than $4/gallon. &nbsp;How about $10 or $15? &nbsp;At that price, hardly anyone would live far from their jobs, shopping, or school, and people would look at the mpg ratings before looking at penis envy, er, I mean size &amp; power, when purchasing a car.</p>
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				<p><strong>High Gas Taxes = Healthy Planet</strong></p><p>Alan Durning is dead wrong that high fuel prices would not change people's driving and buying habits. &nbsp;The problem is that gasoline needs to cost a lot more than $4/gallon. &nbsp;How about $10 or $15? &nbsp;At that price, hardly anyone would live far from their jobs, shopping, or school, and people would look at the mpg ratings before looking at penis envy, er, I mean size &amp; power, when purchasing a car.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by birdboy</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/feebates-not-fuel-taxes-are-key/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 03:39:09 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>driving less is even better</strong></p><p>Not sure where the conclusion that higher gas prices will not affect buying decisions comes from, but I disagree. More important that changing buying habits, people would drive a whole lot less. Suddenly, a buck for the bus or 5 bucks for a train sounds attractive, and road construction comes to a screeching halt. Air pollution drops, stress levels from traffic battles makes us healthier and happier, etc, etc. We need both- feebates and much higher gas prices, with the taxes going for public transportation. Think of what we would save in car payments and DOT funding. Why limit progress?

<p>a liberal in redsville</p></p>
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				<p><strong>driving less is even better</strong></p><p>Not sure where the conclusion that higher gas prices will not affect buying decisions comes from, but I disagree. More important that changing buying habits, people would drive a whole lot less. Suddenly, a buck for the bus or 5 bucks for a train sounds attractive, and road construction comes to a screeching halt. Air pollution drops, stress levels from traffic battles makes us healthier and happier, etc, etc. We need both- feebates and much higher gas prices, with the taxes going for public transportation. Think of what we would save in car payments and DOT funding. Why limit progress?

<p>a liberal in redsville</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by hardisun</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/feebates-not-fuel-taxes-are-key/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:29:26 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Where is Friedman living?</strong></p><p>Is this meant as a state initiative or is the point to frame a new set of arguments that can be ignored by the one-party federal government we have now?</p><p>
On the federal level, the way I see it:</p><p>
Chances of any (pro) environmental legistlation in the next 3 years: low</p><p>
Chances of legislation to force Detroit to change fueld economy: very low</p><p>
Chances of legislation to increase gas tax to promote alternative transportation: LOL<br>
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				<p><strong>Where is Friedman living?</strong></p><p>Is this meant as a state initiative or is the point to frame a new set of arguments that can be ignored by the one-party federal government we have now?</p><p>
On the federal level, the way I see it:</p><p>
Chances of any (pro) environmental legistlation in the next 3 years: low</p><p>
Chances of legislation to force Detroit to change fueld economy: very low</p><p>
Chances of legislation to increase gas tax to promote alternative transportation: LOL<br>
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            <title>Comment #4 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:12:05 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I was actually<p>I was actually introduced to feebates recently, at more of a manufacturer level.<p>
Essentially manufacturers compete against each other on fuel effeciency.<p>
And whoever loses gets to pay the winners.<p>
Quite an interesting concept.<p>
<a href="http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_california/california-clean-car-discount.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_california/california-clean-c ...<p>
_<p>
It's basically the reverse of CAFE.<p>
Rather than the mileage being set, and the prices unknown.<p>
You set a price on carbon, and let the manufacturers figure out how best to get there.<p>
The cool part is that it keeps rewarding ultra effecient companies for continued innovation.<p>
_<p>
It breaks the prisoners dilemma of stagnation versus innovation.</p></p></p></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>I was actually<p>I was actually introduced to feebates recently, at more of a manufacturer level.<p>
Essentially manufacturers compete against each other on fuel effeciency.<p>
And whoever loses gets to pay the winners.<p>
Quite an interesting concept.<p>
<a href="http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_california/california-clean-car-discount.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_california/california-clean-c ...<p>
_<p>
It's basically the reverse of CAFE.<p>
Rather than the mileage being set, and the prices unknown.<p>
You set a price on carbon, and let the manufacturers figure out how best to get there.<p>
The cool part is that it keeps rewarding ultra effecient companies for continued innovation.<p>
_<p>
It breaks the prisoners dilemma of stagnation versus innovation.</p></p></p></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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