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            <title>Comment #1 by Biodiversivist</title>
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				<p><strong>Count me in<p>I also leave the water running when I brush my teeth.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Count me in<p>I also leave the water running when I brush my teeth.

<p>In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. <a href="http://www.poisondarts.net" rel="nofollow">Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by leewalsh</title>
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				<p><strong>Effectiveness</strong></p><p>A great prioritization of these things can be found in the Union of Concerned Scientists' book on Effective Environmental Choices, oft touted by Umbra Fisk.</p><p>
By Brower and Leon, its full title is The Consumer's Guide to Effective Environmental Choices: Practical Advice from the Union of Concerned Scientists.</p>
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				<p><strong>Effectiveness</strong></p><p>A great prioritization of these things can be found in the Union of Concerned Scientists' book on Effective Environmental Choices, oft touted by Umbra Fisk.</p><p>
By Brower and Leon, its full title is The Consumer's Guide to Effective Environmental Choices: Practical Advice from the Union of Concerned Scientists.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by antidoto</title>
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				<p><strong>&quot;It's all about personal choices&quot;<p>You've put your finger on exactly the attitude that annoys the heck out of me. &nbsp;Our largest environmental decisions are not personal at all but collective, especially those having to do with land use, development, and transportation. &nbsp;You can't individually choose to have your metropolis organize its future growth around effective public transportation, for example.<p>
I wrote about the individual-choice paradigm at great length <a href="http://leftbehinds.blogspot.com/2006/12/anniversary-post-why-i-am-liberal-or.html" rel="nofollow">here, though not with respect to environmental issues.</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>&quot;It's all about personal choices&quot;<p>You've put your finger on exactly the attitude that annoys the heck out of me. &nbsp;Our largest environmental decisions are not personal at all but collective, especially those having to do with land use, development, and transportation. &nbsp;You can't individually choose to have your metropolis organize its future growth around effective public transportation, for example.<p>
I wrote about the individual-choice paradigm at great length <a href="http://leftbehinds.blogspot.com/2006/12/anniversary-post-why-i-am-liberal-or.html" rel="nofollow">here, though not with respect to environmental issues.</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by sm00bs</title>
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				<p><strong>I agree, but...</strong></p><p>As far as this particular choice goes, I agree for the most part. &nbsp;The only thing that bothers me about it is that people need to start somewhere and need to be aware that every choice has its pros and cons. &nbsp;Even though this is small beans, it's a start. &nbsp;Some people are just late bloomers.</p><p>
What about cloth vs. disposable diapers? &nbsp;I'm curious to know what the pros and cons are of each without wondering if there is bias in any of the information.</p>
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				<p><strong>I agree, but...</strong></p><p>As far as this particular choice goes, I agree for the most part. &nbsp;The only thing that bothers me about it is that people need to start somewhere and need to be aware that every choice has its pros and cons. &nbsp;Even though this is small beans, it's a start. &nbsp;Some people are just late bloomers.</p><p>
What about cloth vs. disposable diapers? &nbsp;I'm curious to know what the pros and cons are of each without wondering if there is bias in any of the information.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by amazingdrx</title>
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				<p><strong>Greengranny's Ghandi quote</strong></p><p>"We must be the change we wish to see in the world." -- Mahatma Ghandi </p><p>
I think that bridges the gap created by linear thinking, typified by the paper versus plastic controversy.</p><p>
Change comes from the grassroots up. &nbsp;It's zen. &nbsp;</p><p>
In linear thought mode the battle to save the planet is hopeless. &nbsp;Facing the most powerful corporate/government hegemonic forces ever assembled with a grassroots movement? &nbsp;Clearly impossible.</p><p>
In zen mode it can actually happen. &nbsp;That is if enough of the population gets into that zen mode.</p><p>
Then momentum takes over. &nbsp;But the zen makes you take a bag to the store with you, or shut the water off while brushing your teeth, or mixing the charcoal left over from your campire with your garden soil.</p><p>
None of these actions can beat hegemony. &nbsp;Or can they? &nbsp;</p><p>
If enough people have the basic motivation to do these simple things. &nbsp;It's like the breath of fire. &nbsp;If you work on your breathing every moment you can remember throughout the day, stop holding your breath. &nbsp;Stop the stressfull mode of tension.</p><p>
Eventually the zen breathing mode takes over and your whole consciousness shifts slightly. &nbsp;

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Greengranny's Ghandi quote</strong></p><p>"We must be the change we wish to see in the world." -- Mahatma Ghandi </p><p>
I think that bridges the gap created by linear thinking, typified by the paper versus plastic controversy.</p><p>
Change comes from the grassroots up. &nbsp;It's zen. &nbsp;</p><p>
In linear thought mode the battle to save the planet is hopeless. &nbsp;Facing the most powerful corporate/government hegemonic forces ever assembled with a grassroots movement? &nbsp;Clearly impossible.</p><p>
In zen mode it can actually happen. &nbsp;That is if enough of the population gets into that zen mode.</p><p>
Then momentum takes over. &nbsp;But the zen makes you take a bag to the store with you, or shut the water off while brushing your teeth, or mixing the charcoal left over from your campire with your garden soil.</p><p>
None of these actions can beat hegemony. &nbsp;Or can they? &nbsp;</p><p>
If enough people have the basic motivation to do these simple things. &nbsp;It's like the breath of fire. &nbsp;If you work on your breathing every moment you can remember throughout the day, stop holding your breath. &nbsp;Stop the stressfull mode of tension.</p><p>
Eventually the zen breathing mode takes over and your whole consciousness shifts slightly. &nbsp;

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Ron Steenblik</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 16:27:24 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Neither: carry your own canvas bags</strong></p><p>Nicely put, DR-X. I agree that the change model is not an "either-or" one. Small decisions motivated by environmental impact DO help, if only in raising awareness among the young.</p><p>
Here in France, the choice in recent years has been more "pay for your plastic bag or bring your own." It is not a policy applied by all grocery stores yet, but by enough that it is starting to cut down on that component of waste. My wife and I normally show up to shop with a bunch of canvas bags (from L.L. Bean or Land's End), which actually make shopping easier, because they are much more sturdy than bags made of either flimsy plastic or paper.</p>
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				<p><strong>Neither: carry your own canvas bags</strong></p><p>Nicely put, DR-X. I agree that the change model is not an "either-or" one. Small decisions motivated by environmental impact DO help, if only in raising awareness among the young.</p><p>
Here in France, the choice in recent years has been more "pay for your plastic bag or bring your own." It is not a policy applied by all grocery stores yet, but by enough that it is starting to cut down on that component of waste. My wife and I normally show up to shop with a bunch of canvas bags (from L.L. Bean or Land's End), which actually make shopping easier, because they are much more sturdy than bags made of either flimsy plastic or paper.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 17:41:18 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>oh, saints above!, what agony!</strong></p><p>BioD, thou varlet, I always suspected that thou wast a weasel, and now I know full well, from thine own shameless and miscreant words: thou leavest the water running whilst thou brushest thy teeth!</p><p>
Those pitiful few teeth that still hang from thy cruel jaws, which thou sharpenest every Sabbath with flint-stones, there in thy cave, to such mournful music as maketh the little dogs wail, the children weep and the grandmothers groan: with those very same teeth thou bitest off the heads of chickens, and other unfortunate fowls and small deer that thou hast caught in thy clench, biting close to their hearts, so that the blood and gore rush down over thy beard and over thy belly! &nbsp;O God!</p><p>
Oh, the horror!; the horror!</p><p>
: ( &nbsp;: ( &nbsp;: ( &nbsp;: ( &nbsp;: ( &nbsp;: ( &nbsp;: (</p><p>
I hope at least your toothpaste is something fresh and minty, like Pepsodent.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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				<p><strong>oh, saints above!, what agony!</strong></p><p>BioD, thou varlet, I always suspected that thou wast a weasel, and now I know full well, from thine own shameless and miscreant words: thou leavest the water running whilst thou brushest thy teeth!</p><p>
Those pitiful few teeth that still hang from thy cruel jaws, which thou sharpenest every Sabbath with flint-stones, there in thy cave, to such mournful music as maketh the little dogs wail, the children weep and the grandmothers groan: with those very same teeth thou bitest off the heads of chickens, and other unfortunate fowls and small deer that thou hast caught in thy clench, biting close to their hearts, so that the blood and gore rush down over thy beard and over thy belly! &nbsp;O God!</p><p>
Oh, the horror!; the horror!</p><p>
: ( &nbsp;: ( &nbsp;: ( &nbsp;: ( &nbsp;: ( &nbsp;: ( &nbsp;: (</p><p>
I hope at least your toothpaste is something fresh and minty, like Pepsodent.

<p>Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Greta</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 00:25:35 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Oh, good grief, Charlie Brown.  Where to begin.</strong></p><p>Let me guess. The next Ilea report will claim that lazy shoppers who cannot be bothered to return a shopping cart are helping the environment. &nbsp;Because, if they moved their lazy ass*s any more, they would have to eat more, and therefore more soil erosion and deforestation would occur to meet their caloric intake needs.</p><p>
First of all, arguments like these: </p><p>
"And (heresy alert!) the truth is that paper-vs-plastic is an astonishingly low-priority issue."</p><p>
help nothing. &nbsp;Like telling a father of 10 who has just been laid off, 'Hey, it could be worse. You could have cancer.' &nbsp;</p><p>
So, I propose a ban on pointless deflection.</p><p>
Moral of the story: Sadly, most people need to be trained to be responsible. &nbsp;And, training starts with small things and repetition. &nbsp;Once people manage to make a responsible choice about a grocery bag (BYOB) -- something they use frequently -- they can graduate onto bigger things...like turning off the water when they brush. &nbsp;:-)</p><p>
Secondly, we all know that reuse is better than recycle. So, the question really should be plastic-paper-BYOB. And, the checkout people should ask that. If you present it this way, people will be trained to know there is yet a better option.</p><p>
Thirdly, I take issue with that Ilea report. &nbsp;A single paper bag holds way more volume than a plastic bag, if used correctly. &nbsp;The checkout people will put 1 single item in a double plastic bag, and few items in each other bag. Whereas, a paper bag can be packed more efficiently. &nbsp;Here's a tip shopper: Hold your hand under the bottom of the bag. Whee!</p><p>
Moreover, at the end of the day, the shopper could put that brown paper bag in their compost bin, where it will decay quickly. &nbsp;Whereas, a shopper might use that plastic bag as a trashcan liner, but that never diminishes its substance.</p><p>
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I too subscribe to the Ghandi tenet. Maybe things will not change globally in my lifetime, but I feel good about my choices. And, who knows, maybe someone will accidently catch a responsible act and be inspired. &nbsp;And, so on, and so on. (Yep, been using my own bags for years.)<br>


<p>www.NoPunProductions.com ~ AmericaTheGreen.org</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Oh, good grief, Charlie Brown.  Where to begin.</strong></p><p>Let me guess. The next Ilea report will claim that lazy shoppers who cannot be bothered to return a shopping cart are helping the environment. &nbsp;Because, if they moved their lazy ass*s any more, they would have to eat more, and therefore more soil erosion and deforestation would occur to meet their caloric intake needs.</p><p>
First of all, arguments like these: </p><p>
"And (heresy alert!) the truth is that paper-vs-plastic is an astonishingly low-priority issue."</p><p>
help nothing. &nbsp;Like telling a father of 10 who has just been laid off, 'Hey, it could be worse. You could have cancer.' &nbsp;</p><p>
So, I propose a ban on pointless deflection.</p><p>
Moral of the story: Sadly, most people need to be trained to be responsible. &nbsp;And, training starts with small things and repetition. &nbsp;Once people manage to make a responsible choice about a grocery bag (BYOB) -- something they use frequently -- they can graduate onto bigger things...like turning off the water when they brush. &nbsp;:-)</p><p>
Secondly, we all know that reuse is better than recycle. So, the question really should be plastic-paper-BYOB. And, the checkout people should ask that. If you present it this way, people will be trained to know there is yet a better option.</p><p>
Thirdly, I take issue with that Ilea report. &nbsp;A single paper bag holds way more volume than a plastic bag, if used correctly. &nbsp;The checkout people will put 1 single item in a double plastic bag, and few items in each other bag. Whereas, a paper bag can be packed more efficiently. &nbsp;Here's a tip shopper: Hold your hand under the bottom of the bag. Whee!</p><p>
Moreover, at the end of the day, the shopper could put that brown paper bag in their compost bin, where it will decay quickly. &nbsp;Whereas, a shopper might use that plastic bag as a trashcan liner, but that never diminishes its substance.</p><p>
----</p><p>
I too subscribe to the Ghandi tenet. Maybe things will not change globally in my lifetime, but I feel good about my choices. And, who knows, maybe someone will accidently catch a responsible act and be inspired. &nbsp;And, so on, and so on. (Yep, been using my own bags for years.)<br>


<p>www.NoPunProductions.com ~ AmericaTheGreen.org</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by amazingdrx</title>
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				<p><strong>Hehehehey</strong></p><p>Great stuff Canis!

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				<p><strong>Hehehehey</strong></p><p>Great stuff Canis!

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            <title>Comment #10 by Jon Rynn</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 01:06:38 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Right on, Antidoto!<p>If you look at the big enviros websites, all you will see concerning global warming are "things you can do", you being the singular you, not the plural. &nbsp;If I may also plug here a little, I went on about this with an article, <a href="http://sandersresearch.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=blogcategory&amp;id=33&amp;Itemid=74" rel="nofollow">"Shop until the planet drops"(free registration). &nbsp;Again, heresy alert, compact fluorescent light bulbs will not save the planet, but public transit might actually make a dent in the problem. &nbsp;By the way, apparently all GE's compact flourescent light bulbs are made in china.</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Right on, Antidoto!<p>If you look at the big enviros websites, all you will see concerning global warming are "things you can do", you being the singular you, not the plural. &nbsp;If I may also plug here a little, I went on about this with an article, <a href="http://sandersresearch.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=blogcategory&amp;id=33&amp;Itemid=74" rel="nofollow">"Shop until the planet drops"(free registration). &nbsp;Again, heresy alert, compact fluorescent light bulbs will not save the planet, but public transit might actually make a dent in the problem. &nbsp;By the way, apparently all GE's compact flourescent light bulbs are made in china.</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>That's it Greta</strong></p><p>Lead by example. &nbsp;Get your next breath to go smoothly and before you notice every breath smooths out. &nbsp;And you can float through life.</p><p>
Auuummm...

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				<p><strong>That's it Greta</strong></p><p>Lead by example. &nbsp;Get your next breath to go smoothly and before you notice every breath smooths out. &nbsp;And you can float through life.</p><p>
Auuummm...

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by MarkUK</title>
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				<p><strong>poo</strong></p><p>I tied those nappies that can be laundered. It might work if you have large house, but I have a smallish apartment. It stinks. I'm afraid it is disposables for me...</p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by Pathos</title>
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				<p><strong>Mark and sm00bs</strong></p><p>Don't worry about it. &nbsp;Seriously.</p><p>
There was an article in Daily Grist a few years ago... &nbsp;I'm afraid someone else is going to have to dig it up if you want to read it, because I lack the attention span... &nbsp;But apparently, the British government commissioned an extensive study of the cloth-vs.-plastic diaper issue--they even went so far as to take into account the question of commercial diaper laundry vs. washing your own--and after who knows how many person-hours of work and how many millions of pounds spent, their big conclusion was: &nbsp;It does not matter.</p><p>
The environmental difference between washing cloth diapers vs. throwing away disposable ones is apparently just not that significant. &nbsp;So, yeah. &nbsp;Enjoy your disposable diapers--maybe find some environmentlaly friendly ones, if there are any.</p><p>
And if I can offer a small suggestion, take some of the time and energy you'll save on washing diapers, and instead use it to write to your Congressman/Member of Parliament, and urge them to do more to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. &nbsp;Then you'll really have done some good. &nbsp;:)</p>
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				<p><strong>Mark and sm00bs</strong></p><p>Don't worry about it. &nbsp;Seriously.</p><p>
There was an article in Daily Grist a few years ago... &nbsp;I'm afraid someone else is going to have to dig it up if you want to read it, because I lack the attention span... &nbsp;But apparently, the British government commissioned an extensive study of the cloth-vs.-plastic diaper issue--they even went so far as to take into account the question of commercial diaper laundry vs. washing your own--and after who knows how many person-hours of work and how many millions of pounds spent, their big conclusion was: &nbsp;It does not matter.</p><p>
The environmental difference between washing cloth diapers vs. throwing away disposable ones is apparently just not that significant. &nbsp;So, yeah. &nbsp;Enjoy your disposable diapers--maybe find some environmentlaly friendly ones, if there are any.</p><p>
And if I can offer a small suggestion, take some of the time and energy you'll save on washing diapers, and instead use it to write to your Congressman/Member of Parliament, and urge them to do more to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. &nbsp;Then you'll really have done some good. &nbsp;:)</p>
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            <title>Comment #14 by PBrazelton</title>
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				<p><strong>Poo 2</strong></p><p>There's no real debate over the 'green'-ness of disposable diapers vs. cloth. &nbsp;I'm sure if you think about it for a little while you'd be able to figure out the answer for yourself. &nbsp;As a thought experiment try this: what if you discarded the clothes you were wearing every three hours, every day, for the next several years? &nbsp;Is that better than wearing durable clothes made of cotton? &nbsp;Please show your work.</p><p>
MarkUK: there are ways around icky-poo smells. &nbsp;You can store cloth diapers in airtight (or close, anyway) containers. &nbsp;This container can be any inexpensive plastic container with a lid. &nbsp;We have two, so when one is next to the washing machine you still have a place to put the nappies. &nbsp;You can also store diapers 'wet', which I hear cuts down on odors and detergent. &nbsp;I'm skeptical, but there you go. &nbsp;Anyway, when you wash the diapers you'll be unhappy, but that's just a few hours a week. &nbsp;Or you could use a diaper service, which is really the best of both worlds.</p><p>
There is also the gDiaper. &nbsp;It's a compromise for several reasons, but we've used them on the road and found them acceptable. &nbsp;Check it out.</p><p>
Do research. &nbsp;Be creative. &nbsp;Be rugged and come up with solutions. &nbsp;The alternative is perpetuating the waste of virgin materials and landfill space on a staggering scale.</p>
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				<p><strong>Poo 2</strong></p><p>There's no real debate over the 'green'-ness of disposable diapers vs. cloth. &nbsp;I'm sure if you think about it for a little while you'd be able to figure out the answer for yourself. &nbsp;As a thought experiment try this: what if you discarded the clothes you were wearing every three hours, every day, for the next several years? &nbsp;Is that better than wearing durable clothes made of cotton? &nbsp;Please show your work.</p><p>
MarkUK: there are ways around icky-poo smells. &nbsp;You can store cloth diapers in airtight (or close, anyway) containers. &nbsp;This container can be any inexpensive plastic container with a lid. &nbsp;We have two, so when one is next to the washing machine you still have a place to put the nappies. &nbsp;You can also store diapers 'wet', which I hear cuts down on odors and detergent. &nbsp;I'm skeptical, but there you go. &nbsp;Anyway, when you wash the diapers you'll be unhappy, but that's just a few hours a week. &nbsp;Or you could use a diaper service, which is really the best of both worlds.</p><p>
There is also the gDiaper. &nbsp;It's a compromise for several reasons, but we've used them on the road and found them acceptable. &nbsp;Check it out.</p><p>
Do research. &nbsp;Be creative. &nbsp;Be rugged and come up with solutions. &nbsp;The alternative is perpetuating the waste of virgin materials and landfill space on a staggering scale.</p>
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				<p><strong>*Gasp*</strong></p><p>I'm so disappointed in the biodiversivist.</p>
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				<p><strong>*Gasp*</strong></p><p>I'm so disappointed in the biodiversivist.</p>
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				<p><strong>Yep</strong></p><p>Shocking!! &nbsp;But here is a positive note. &nbsp;Toothpaste is totally unecessary, and that makes the water running totally unecessary. &nbsp;Hehey.</p><p>
Everyone cut it out! &nbsp;My dental hygenist informed me of the uselessness of toothpaste a few months ago, it does nothing for dental health. &nbsp;It's the brushing and flossing that does all the work.

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				<p><strong>Yep</strong></p><p>Shocking!! &nbsp;But here is a positive note. &nbsp;Toothpaste is totally unecessary, and that makes the water running totally unecessary. &nbsp;Hehey.</p><p>
Everyone cut it out! &nbsp;My dental hygenist informed me of the uselessness of toothpaste a few months ago, it does nothing for dental health. &nbsp;It's the brushing and flossing that does all the work.

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				<p><strong>Thanks, Ron, for the Euro perspective</strong></p><p>Fortunately, by addressing and solving enough of our "small" problems, we can hopefully effect a "big" change in our world. I do agree that both paper and plastic bags are poor choices. I, too, prefer to bring my own canvas bags to the grocery store.</p><p>
It's important to look at the reasons for resistance to any issue. It's easy enough to cut down on the use of grocery bags; getting companies to change their packaging, reducing the cost of organics, etc. -- that's harder. We must do what we can.</p>
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				<p><strong>Thanks, Ron, for the Euro perspective</strong></p><p>Fortunately, by addressing and solving enough of our "small" problems, we can hopefully effect a "big" change in our world. I do agree that both paper and plastic bags are poor choices. I, too, prefer to bring my own canvas bags to the grocery store.</p><p>
It's important to look at the reasons for resistance to any issue. It's easy enough to cut down on the use of grocery bags; getting companies to change their packaging, reducing the cost of organics, etc. -- that's harder. We must do what we can.</p>
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				<p><strong>Brass Monkey!<p><br>
Just get an oversized raincoat with lots of pockets and "boost" some savings.

<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
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				<p><strong>Brass Monkey!<p><br>
Just get an oversized raincoat with lots of pockets and "boost" some savings.

<p>John Bailo, The "Denier Guy"<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>All of it, together, today</strong></p><p>Post to follow.</p>
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				<p><strong>Re:  Poo 2</strong></p><p>I agree with PBrazelton about containers for diapers to prevent smell. &nbsp;We use a Diaper Champ and it fits the name well. &nbsp;Since we rarely spend time in the baby's room, we'd be more likely to smell the diapers if the pail didn't work, but we never have unless we've opened it to do laundry. &nbsp;I know many people who use simple lidded trash cans (usually the type with foot pedals) without complaints. &nbsp;Some of these people even live in apartments.</p><p>
Also, gDiapers are incredibly awesome! &nbsp;Our cloth system is actually Gerber DSQ prefolds folded up to fit inside gPants. &nbsp;We were using the flushable inserts while we were out and about but have decided they're neither worth the money nor the hassle since we love cloth so much, but for people who don't like cloth, they're wonderful. &nbsp;There is a learning curve, and every time I try to use a flushable I get frustrated because I don't do it often enough to be a pro (they take a bit of time to insert until several diapers have been filled for practice).</p><p>
I can't think that it wouldn't matter when choosing cloth or disposable diapers. &nbsp;I can't see how that study could be correct (bias, anyone?). &nbsp;Seriously, the resources needed for making all those disposables my baby would wear compared to the resources needed for making the three dozen cloth diapers we have... it's like comparing apples and oranges! &nbsp;Granted, there are resources used in doing the laundry, but my diapers are not taking up space in a landfill for the next however many years. &nbsp;Besides, who really wants all those nasty and stinky (Lord, how I hate the smell of a disposable diaper) chemicals next to baby's skin?</p>
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				<p><strong>Re:  Poo 2</strong></p><p>I agree with PBrazelton about containers for diapers to prevent smell. &nbsp;We use a Diaper Champ and it fits the name well. &nbsp;Since we rarely spend time in the baby's room, we'd be more likely to smell the diapers if the pail didn't work, but we never have unless we've opened it to do laundry. &nbsp;I know many people who use simple lidded trash cans (usually the type with foot pedals) without complaints. &nbsp;Some of these people even live in apartments.</p><p>
Also, gDiapers are incredibly awesome! &nbsp;Our cloth system is actually Gerber DSQ prefolds folded up to fit inside gPants. &nbsp;We were using the flushable inserts while we were out and about but have decided they're neither worth the money nor the hassle since we love cloth so much, but for people who don't like cloth, they're wonderful. &nbsp;There is a learning curve, and every time I try to use a flushable I get frustrated because I don't do it often enough to be a pro (they take a bit of time to insert until several diapers have been filled for practice).</p><p>
I can't think that it wouldn't matter when choosing cloth or disposable diapers. &nbsp;I can't see how that study could be correct (bias, anyone?). &nbsp;Seriously, the resources needed for making all those disposables my baby would wear compared to the resources needed for making the three dozen cloth diapers we have... it's like comparing apples and oranges! &nbsp;Granted, there are resources used in doing the laundry, but my diapers are not taking up space in a landfill for the next however many years. &nbsp;Besides, who really wants all those nasty and stinky (Lord, how I hate the smell of a disposable diaper) chemicals next to baby's skin?</p>
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