<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Pick on the bad guys, not the kinda bad guys who claim to be good.]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Katharine Wroth http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/ Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:31:57 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/1 Credit where credit is due?

Seems to me the Sierra Club -- one of the sponsors of ExxposeExxon and the "shiller" of Ford's new hybrid -- should get DavePoints (TM) for being able to tell the difference.

]]> Credit where credit is due?

Seems to me the Sierra Club -- one of the sponsors of ExxposeExxon and the "shiller" of Ford's new hybrid -- should get DavePoints (TM) for being able to tell the difference.

]]> Comment #2 by Lisa Hymas http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/ Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:15:51 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/2 Agreed ...

with Dave that the Global Exchange/Rainforest Action Network strategy of taking out a full-page ad in the NYT to compare Bill Ford to Dick Cheney and Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah is not likely to prove fruitful.

An amusing bit from said ad [PDF]: It notes that Saudi Arabia is "a dictatorship where women are not allowed to vote or drive." Isn't equating driving with freedom a bit off-message?

And agreed with Katharine that, by Dave's reasoning, the Sierra Club should get credit here.

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with Dave that the Global Exchange/Rainforest Action Network strategy of taking out a full-page ad in the NYT to compare Bill Ford to Dick Cheney and Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah is not likely to prove fruitful.

An amusing bit from said ad [PDF]: It notes that Saudi Arabia is "a dictatorship where women are not allowed to vote or drive." Isn't equating driving with freedom a bit off-message?

And agreed with Katharine that, by Dave's reasoning, the Sierra Club should get credit here.

]]> Comment #3 by City Hippy http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/ Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:31:42 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/3 Positive reinforcement gets results!

I agree and think we could go further and forge a whole new green surge on the basis of positive reinforcement WITH realistic appraisal.

For example...we want green cars. So when a car company etc takes a step in the right direction we should thank them profusely and engage with them as to when their next step in the right direction will be.

When they make a move in the right direction we should only act to encourage more action.

Or we can get negative.

Which one is likely to get more results?

Love breeds love and hate breeds hate

Namaste

City Hippy

City Hippy (http://cityhippy.blogspot.com)

]]> Positive reinforcement gets results!

I agree and think we could go further and forge a whole new green surge on the basis of positive reinforcement WITH realistic appraisal.

For example...we want green cars. So when a car company etc takes a step in the right direction we should thank them profusely and engage with them as to when their next step in the right direction will be.

When they make a move in the right direction we should only act to encourage more action.

Or we can get negative.

Which one is likely to get more results?

Love breeds love and hate breeds hate

Namaste

City Hippy

City Hippy (http://cityhippy.blogspot.com)

]]> Comment #4 by dreadsword http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/ Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:18:50 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/4 World Changing article on secretly green corps

Here's an article on WC about the phenom you're alluding to Dave - companies with green policies like Nike, Levis, and so on, that don't publish those policies or trumpet them in any way.

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/002282.html

http://www.sustainabilityzone.com

]]> World Changing article on secretly green corps

Here's an article on WC about the phenom you're alluding to Dave - companies with green policies like Nike, Levis, and so on, that don't publish those policies or trumpet them in any way.

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/002282.html

http://www.sustainabilityzone.com

]]> Comment #5 by Biodiversivist http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/ Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:46:49 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/5 Evil corporations

I was on the inside of a uh....large aerospace company in Seattle for almost two decades. Many of my peers who hired in with me now hold the reigns of power there. They are for the most part, gregarious, sociable, frat boys who play a mean game of golf. Sound familiar? That could have been a description of Bush before he went on the wagon.

I find the unending conspiracy theories about evil corporations tiresome. If the aformentioned company is typical, then the upper ranks of most corporations are filled non-threatening, sociable, but otherwise unremarkable people who go to work everyday, try to stay awake at meetings, and please their bosses, who eventually take their bosses positions to repeat the cycle. I would replace "Evil" with "marginally competent."

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com

]]> Evil corporations

I was on the inside of a uh....large aerospace company in Seattle for almost two decades. Many of my peers who hired in with me now hold the reigns of power there. They are for the most part, gregarious, sociable, frat boys who play a mean game of golf. Sound familiar? That could have been a description of Bush before he went on the wagon.

I find the unending conspiracy theories about evil corporations tiresome. If the aformentioned company is typical, then the upper ranks of most corporations are filled non-threatening, sociable, but otherwise unremarkable people who go to work everyday, try to stay awake at meetings, and please their bosses, who eventually take their bosses positions to repeat the cycle. I would replace "Evil" with "marginally competent."

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com

]]> Comment #6 by Catharren http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/ Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:47:13 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/6 Ford

Just a quick memory......in 1970 I was stationed at George AFB, CA. While there I met a little old man that invented a carb that got over 125 miles to the gallon, YES, 125 miles to the gallon.  I let him put that carb in my car.  I know it did.  He sold that carb to Ford.  So I still want to know, where is it and why isn't it being used?

(No, need to answer that.)

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Just a quick memory......in 1970 I was stationed at George AFB, CA. While there I met a little old man that invented a carb that got over 125 miles to the gallon, YES, 125 miles to the gallon.  I let him put that carb in my car.  I know it did.  He sold that carb to Ford.  So I still want to know, where is it and why isn't it being used?

(No, need to answer that.)

]]> Comment #7 by jdhlax http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/ Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:21:03 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/7 What Is "Evil"?

Just because those who work in corporations aren't conspiring to destroy the Earth, or people's lives or culutures, doesn't mean the former aren't evil.  I suggest Ward Churchill's excellent essay on 911, calling those who worked in the WTC to little Eichmans.  If you do things that harm the planet or other people just to make a lot of money, I call that evil, even if the harms you do are a byproduct and not your intention.

]]> What Is "Evil"?

Just because those who work in corporations aren't conspiring to destroy the Earth, or people's lives or culutures, doesn't mean the former aren't evil.  I suggest Ward Churchill's excellent essay on 911, calling those who worked in the WTC to little Eichmans.  If you do things that harm the planet or other people just to make a lot of money, I call that evil, even if the harms you do are a byproduct and not your intention.

]]> Comment #8 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/ Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:20:30 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/8 Lessons.

"The lesson for Bill -- or rather, for the Ford board of directors -- is: lower our profile on environmental issues. Don't draw the attention of the greens."

Nope.  The lesson is get with it, start mass producing plugin hybrids.

Until they do, these (monoply)corporations will continue to feel the heat from the environmental movement.

Lipservice does not get the job done.  These folks using their connections within government have been stalling renewable energy transportation for decades.

]]> Lessons.

"The lesson for Bill -- or rather, for the Ford board of directors -- is: lower our profile on environmental issues. Don't draw the attention of the greens."

Nope.  The lesson is get with it, start mass producing plugin hybrids.

Until they do, these (monoply)corporations will continue to feel the heat from the environmental movement.

Lipservice does not get the job done.  These folks using their connections within government have been stalling renewable energy transportation for decades.

]]> Comment #9 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/ Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:44:08 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/evil-not-hypocrisy/9 Evil and evildoing.

You have bush speak on the brain dave.

]]> Evil and evildoing.

You have bush speak on the brain dave.

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