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            <title>Comment #1 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:46:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>And in Seattle ?</strong></p><p><br>
No word on those "Street of Dreams" fires yet...mmm...</br></p>
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				<p><strong>And in Seattle ?</strong></p><p><br>
No word on those "Street of Dreams" fires yet...mmm...</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:42:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>But that was almost 10 years ago (?)</strong></p><p>And yet, the Reuters and AP accounts manage to link that now-ancient university-lab-focused klutzily-tossed bomb to the recent Seattle fire. &nbsp;How, though, realistically?</p><p>
But The Detroit Free Press piece is a literary gem:</p><p>
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"It was an assault on a core value of free and open inquiry at a research university," Simon said. "Once you the chill the academic climate from doing this kind of work, the cost to society is enormous."<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
You tell 'em, Simon. &nbsp;Everything at universities is sweetness and light; no outside interests are involved whatsoever. &nbsp;Simon says!</p><p>
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For eight years, investigators persisted. They traveled across 10 states to unravel the MSU crime, as well as a separate incident a day later in northern Michigan, involving the burning of equipment used for logging.<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
Shot: bloodhounds on leashes in a forest. &nbsp;Cut to: bloodhounds on leashes in a meadow. &nbsp;Cut to: bloodhounds arriving at a motel room. &nbsp;Cut to: bloodhounds on leashes in a swamp. &nbsp;Cut to: bloodhounds lying exhausted by a motel swimming pool.</p><p>
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Mason and Ambrose face four counts of felony arson. They could be sentenced from 7 to 40 years in prison.<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
Oh dear. &nbsp;But if that is what you get for allegedly destroying the foundation of hopes for good relations with developing countries, then how much time should the Bush/Cheney administration be sentenced for?</p><p>
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The indictment describes an almost comic scene at the MSU building, where Mason's hair was accidentally set on fire as Ambrose lit a fuse to a crude gasoline bomb and caused an explosion. Mason cut short her spray-painting slogans with black paint, as the two fled the scene into the cold night, the indictment said.<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
"Into the cold night"! &nbsp;With hair on fire! &nbsp;This writer is hopefully working on bigger, better stuff.</p><p>
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Upon setting fire to the equipment, Fultz spray-painted a flatbed truck with the words, "ELF" and "Go Log in Hell."<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
"Logging in Hell" ought to inspire a Dantesque, Gustave-Dore'-ish, Gary-Larson-ish vision.</p><p>
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FBI agent Andrew Arena, of the agency's Detroit office, led the investigation.<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
Ah yes, Agent Arena. &nbsp;Our hero. &nbsp;Played by Colin Farrell. &nbsp;(Cf. "Minority Report.")</p><p>
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He called the arrests significant in attempts to blunt homegrown terrorism in the United States, especially given the eight years it took to indict.<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
Well, he would say that, wouldn't he. &nbsp;Definitely in the style of Timothy McVeigh and Mohammed Atta.</p><p>
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"We sent a message to these people that time will not deter us," Arena said.<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
Captain Bligh (Trevor Howard) to Mr. Christian (Marlon Brando) in "Mutiny on the Bounty," as Bligh and his few supporters are put off in a boat: "Just remember, Christian, wherever you go, to whatever island you flee, I'll be right behind you, with a rope in my hands!"</p><p>
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In early 2001, Ambrose was charged in Indiana with driving 10-inch nails into trees at a logging site to discourage tree-cutting -- an act attributed to ELF.<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
I thought 9-inch nails was the cool size. &nbsp;But anyway, is that a nice thing to do to trees, even if you want to save them from the chain-saw managers?</p><p>
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Mason told the Free Press in 2003 that she was a chemist who left corporate life to work in an animal hospital.<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
Well, there you are! &nbsp;Lock her up! &nbsp;The animals will do just fine, thank you, without a hair-burnt klutz who pounds nails into trees.</br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>But that was almost 10 years ago (?)</strong></p><p>And yet, the Reuters and AP accounts manage to link that now-ancient university-lab-focused klutzily-tossed bomb to the recent Seattle fire. &nbsp;How, though, realistically?</p><p>
But The Detroit Free Press piece is a literary gem:</p><p>
&lt;&lt;<br>
"It was an assault on a core value of free and open inquiry at a research university," Simon said. "Once you the chill the academic climate from doing this kind of work, the cost to society is enormous."<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
You tell 'em, Simon. &nbsp;Everything at universities is sweetness and light; no outside interests are involved whatsoever. &nbsp;Simon says!</p><p>
&lt;&lt;<br>
For eight years, investigators persisted. They traveled across 10 states to unravel the MSU crime, as well as a separate incident a day later in northern Michigan, involving the burning of equipment used for logging.<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
Shot: bloodhounds on leashes in a forest. &nbsp;Cut to: bloodhounds on leashes in a meadow. &nbsp;Cut to: bloodhounds arriving at a motel room. &nbsp;Cut to: bloodhounds on leashes in a swamp. &nbsp;Cut to: bloodhounds lying exhausted by a motel swimming pool.</p><p>
&lt;&lt;<br>
Mason and Ambrose face four counts of felony arson. They could be sentenced from 7 to 40 years in prison.<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
Oh dear. &nbsp;But if that is what you get for allegedly destroying the foundation of hopes for good relations with developing countries, then how much time should the Bush/Cheney administration be sentenced for?</p><p>
&lt;&lt;<br>
The indictment describes an almost comic scene at the MSU building, where Mason's hair was accidentally set on fire as Ambrose lit a fuse to a crude gasoline bomb and caused an explosion. Mason cut short her spray-painting slogans with black paint, as the two fled the scene into the cold night, the indictment said.<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
"Into the cold night"! &nbsp;With hair on fire! &nbsp;This writer is hopefully working on bigger, better stuff.</p><p>
&lt;&lt;<br>
Upon setting fire to the equipment, Fultz spray-painted a flatbed truck with the words, "ELF" and "Go Log in Hell."<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
"Logging in Hell" ought to inspire a Dantesque, Gustave-Dore'-ish, Gary-Larson-ish vision.</p><p>
&lt;&lt;<br>
FBI agent Andrew Arena, of the agency's Detroit office, led the investigation.<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
Ah yes, Agent Arena. &nbsp;Our hero. &nbsp;Played by Colin Farrell. &nbsp;(Cf. "Minority Report.")</p><p>
&lt;&lt;<br>
He called the arrests significant in attempts to blunt homegrown terrorism in the United States, especially given the eight years it took to indict.<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
Well, he would say that, wouldn't he. &nbsp;Definitely in the style of Timothy McVeigh and Mohammed Atta.</p><p>
&lt;&lt;<br>
"We sent a message to these people that time will not deter us," Arena said.<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
Captain Bligh (Trevor Howard) to Mr. Christian (Marlon Brando) in "Mutiny on the Bounty," as Bligh and his few supporters are put off in a boat: "Just remember, Christian, wherever you go, to whatever island you flee, I'll be right behind you, with a rope in my hands!"</p><p>
&lt;&lt;<br>
In early 2001, Ambrose was charged in Indiana with driving 10-inch nails into trees at a logging site to discourage tree-cutting -- an act attributed to ELF.<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
I thought 9-inch nails was the cool size. &nbsp;But anyway, is that a nice thing to do to trees, even if you want to save them from the chain-saw managers?</p><p>
&lt;&lt;<br>
Mason told the Free Press in 2003 that she was a chemist who left corporate life to work in an animal hospital.<br>
&gt;&gt;</p><p>
Well, there you are! &nbsp;Lock her up! &nbsp;The animals will do just fine, thank you, without a hair-burnt klutz who pounds nails into trees.</br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by randino</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:04:02 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The accomplishments of the ELF.</strong></p><p>There aren't any! Zip! Zero! Can the ELF point to one development prevented, one road blocked, or one bio-region saved by their activities? No they can't. Reason? Because the ELF is not about saving the earth, it is about fulfilling their own crazed delusions about themselves. There are two types of people you meet in social change movements. Some want to change the world. The others are interested in therapy. </p><p>
So far all ELF has done is get a bunch of its members thrown in prison. Perhaps in their next communique they can describe all the good work they are doing for the earth within the confines of a six by nine cell. It should be a fascinating piece. </p><p>
Randy Cunningham</p>
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				<p><strong>The accomplishments of the ELF.</strong></p><p>There aren't any! Zip! Zero! Can the ELF point to one development prevented, one road blocked, or one bio-region saved by their activities? No they can't. Reason? Because the ELF is not about saving the earth, it is about fulfilling their own crazed delusions about themselves. There are two types of people you meet in social change movements. Some want to change the world. The others are interested in therapy. </p><p>
So far all ELF has done is get a bunch of its members thrown in prison. Perhaps in their next communique they can describe all the good work they are doing for the earth within the confines of a six by nine cell. It should be a fascinating piece. </p><p>
Randy Cunningham</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by naturescene</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 03:34:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>on the bright side</strong></p><p>at least prison inmates have low carbon footprints</p>
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				<p><strong>on the bright side</strong></p><p>at least prison inmates have low carbon footprints</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Wolverine</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 05:42:57 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Canis &amp; Randy</strong></p><p>Spiking trees has prevented some logging. &nbsp;While it only stands to reason that trees don't like being spiked -- it's pretty hard for an animal to know what a plant thinks -- spiking trees is nothing compared to killing them and causes no significant harm. &nbsp;And remember, killing trees also destroys habitat, so it goes beyond the trees.</p><p>
Canis, your post is a good starting place for an comical animated version of the event. &nbsp;Genetic engineering is totally evil and should be stopped by any means necessary, but it doesn't seem that this type of action is effective in any way. &nbsp;Does feel good, though.</p>
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				<p><strong>Canis &amp; Randy</strong></p><p>Spiking trees has prevented some logging. &nbsp;While it only stands to reason that trees don't like being spiked -- it's pretty hard for an animal to know what a plant thinks -- spiking trees is nothing compared to killing them and causes no significant harm. &nbsp;And remember, killing trees also destroys habitat, so it goes beyond the trees.</p><p>
Canis, your post is a good starting place for an comical animated version of the event. &nbsp;Genetic engineering is totally evil and should be stopped by any means necessary, but it doesn't seem that this type of action is effective in any way. &nbsp;Does feel good, though.</p>
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