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            <title>Comment #1 by frankbi</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:23:05 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Taxes on carbon, not energy</strong></p><p>"yeah, it's a tax. We need to raise taxes on energy."</p><p>
Even that isn't quite accurate. Not all energy usage produces carbon emissions (think e.g. solar power and wind power); and the tax is only on carbon.</p><p>
And the support for Obama may be due to the "Obama cult" effect, but this is just my totally wild guess.</p>
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				<p><strong>Taxes on carbon, not energy</strong></p><p>"yeah, it's a tax. We need to raise taxes on energy."</p><p>
Even that isn't quite accurate. Not all energy usage produces carbon emissions (think e.g. solar power and wind power); and the tax is only on carbon.</p><p>
And the support for Obama may be due to the "Obama cult" effect, but this is just my totally wild guess.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by David Roberts</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:52:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>frankbi,</strong></p><p>Solar and wind are collectively less than 2% of U.S. energy use, so at least for the first several years, taxing carbon means taxing energy. I will be a happy man when the meanings diverge. 

<p>grist.org</p></p>
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				<p><strong>frankbi,</strong></p><p>Solar and wind are collectively less than 2% of U.S. energy use, so at least for the first several years, taxing carbon means taxing energy. I will be a happy man when the meanings diverge. 

<p>grist.org</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Jason D Scorse</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:50:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Cap and trade with auctions.....<p>can be close to revenue neutral if the money is then given back to the public from the auctions- but details are not things most people care about.

<p>I teach environmental economics and blog at <a href="http://www.voicesofreason.info" rel="nofollow">http://www.voicesofreason.info.</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Cap and trade with auctions.....<p>can be close to revenue neutral if the money is then given back to the public from the auctions- but details are not things most people care about.

<p>I teach environmental economics and blog at <a href="http://www.voicesofreason.info" rel="nofollow">http://www.voicesofreason.info.</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by amazingdrx</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:58:41 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Subsidy diversion</strong></p><p>"It raises energy prices. That's a tax, right?" </p><p>
Subsidy diversion can raise carbon based energy prices and lower renewable energy prices. &nbsp;The right will call any government regulation of "free" markets that raises costs on industry, that they then pass on to consumers a tax.</p><p>
Think tankers like CEI will always do this. &nbsp;With cap and trade or a tax hike on gasloine for instance, it really is what they say. &nbsp;Costs passed right down the line to those who can least afford it.</p><p>
With subsidy diversion, it is the withdrawal of corporate welfare for titanically profitable multinational energy monopolies, and application of the savings directly to incentives for consumers to invest in renewables and conservation.</p><p>
We can make this political argument work and convince a majority. &nbsp;No way to make it fly with cap and trade or new gas taxes. &nbsp;Giveaways for corporate cronies both. &nbsp;Cap and trade benefits hedge funds. &nbsp;New taxes benefits contractors like KBR and Halliburton.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Subsidy diversion</strong></p><p>"It raises energy prices. That's a tax, right?" </p><p>
Subsidy diversion can raise carbon based energy prices and lower renewable energy prices. &nbsp;The right will call any government regulation of "free" markets that raises costs on industry, that they then pass on to consumers a tax.</p><p>
Think tankers like CEI will always do this. &nbsp;With cap and trade or a tax hike on gasloine for instance, it really is what they say. &nbsp;Costs passed right down the line to those who can least afford it.</p><p>
With subsidy diversion, it is the withdrawal of corporate welfare for titanically profitable multinational energy monopolies, and application of the savings directly to incentives for consumers to invest in renewables and conservation.</p><p>
We can make this political argument work and convince a majority. &nbsp;No way to make it fly with cap and trade or new gas taxes. &nbsp;Giveaways for corporate cronies both. &nbsp;Cap and trade benefits hedge funds. &nbsp;New taxes benefits contractors like KBR and Halliburton.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog</p></p>
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