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            <title>Comment #1 by feonixrift</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:22:20 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Window on a changing world</strong></p><p>I'm saddened that there aren't more homes trying to become at least somewhat heat efficient... &nbsp;It's not <strong>that</strong> expensive to get double pane windows, or put in a lighter color roof the next time that it has to be redone anyway. &nbsp;Without efficiency of that kind, every time it gets hotter the electricity use will shoot up as well, as people try to keep impossibly heat-leaky homes cool.</p>
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				<p><strong>Window on a changing world</strong></p><p>I'm saddened that there aren't more homes trying to become at least somewhat heat efficient... &nbsp;It's not <strong>that</strong> expensive to get double pane windows, or put in a lighter color roof the next time that it has to be redone anyway. &nbsp;Without efficiency of that kind, every time it gets hotter the electricity use will shoot up as well, as people try to keep impossibly heat-leaky homes cool.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by DogsCatsAndStrays</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:37:29 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Five year lag on transportation impact</strong></p><p>Since the transportation fleet has a five year turn-over. &nbsp;It takes some time for high gasoline prices to take hold. &nbsp;</p><p>
With electricity I predict larger increases in per capita consumption as large plasma screen televisions replace more energy efficient CRT's. &nbsp;Also more computers per capita will drive power consumption up.<br>
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				<p><strong>Five year lag on transportation impact</strong></p><p>Since the transportation fleet has a five year turn-over. &nbsp;It takes some time for high gasoline prices to take hold. &nbsp;</p><p>
With electricity I predict larger increases in per capita consumption as large plasma screen televisions replace more energy efficient CRT's. &nbsp;Also more computers per capita will drive power consumption up.<br>
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            <title>Comment #3 by odograph</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 02:47:42 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>LCD</strong></p><p>There are some nice LCD TVs out there with energy star ratings. &nbsp;I try to suggest them as plasma alternatives.</p>
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				<p><strong>LCD</strong></p><p>There are some nice LCD TVs out there with energy star ratings. &nbsp;I try to suggest them as plasma alternatives.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:17:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>5 year fleet turnover?</strong></p><p>I think the authoritative Hirsch report prepared for the US DOE on the prospects for oil availability and prices said that it would take something like 17 years for the fleet to fully incorporate new mileage levels. &nbsp;And that's probably optimistic if gas prices hurt the economy significantly, because the old beater you have is still lots cheaper than the new, high-MPG car that's in great demand ...</p><p>
Where does the 5-year turnover figure come from?

<p>Save the world:  Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>5 year fleet turnover?</strong></p><p>I think the authoritative Hirsch report prepared for the US DOE on the prospects for oil availability and prices said that it would take something like 17 years for the fleet to fully incorporate new mileage levels. &nbsp;And that's probably optimistic if gas prices hurt the economy significantly, because the old beater you have is still lots cheaper than the new, high-MPG car that's in great demand ...</p><p>
Where does the 5-year turnover figure come from?

<p>Save the world:  Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by odograph</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:31:23 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>turnover</strong></p><p>It's complicated. &nbsp;The fleet "turns over" to some extent, but actually the "retirement rate" (around 4.5%) is lower than the purchase rate. &nbsp;The fleet grows. &nbsp;But it is also true that the newest cars ard driven the most, and the oldest sit more.</p><p>
It's true that cars last longer now.</p><p>
It's true that turnover can accelerate as fuel prices increase. &nbsp;If I recall correctly, the retirement rate went above 10% in the 70s/80s.</p><p>
So, it's a fuzzy area for projection, and probably a bad idea to say that a rate "is" in the sense that "it will continue to be."</p><p>
I'd expect changes, especially if we make the global warming and resource issues sell ;-)</p>
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				<p><strong>turnover</strong></p><p>It's complicated. &nbsp;The fleet "turns over" to some extent, but actually the "retirement rate" (around 4.5%) is lower than the purchase rate. &nbsp;The fleet grows. &nbsp;But it is also true that the newest cars ard driven the most, and the oldest sit more.</p><p>
It's true that cars last longer now.</p><p>
It's true that turnover can accelerate as fuel prices increase. &nbsp;If I recall correctly, the retirement rate went above 10% in the 70s/80s.</p><p>
So, it's a fuzzy area for projection, and probably a bad idea to say that a rate "is" in the sense that "it will continue to be."</p><p>
I'd expect changes, especially if we make the global warming and resource issues sell ;-)</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:07:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Start Salting The Roads<p>Back in the 1980s, my first trip to the West Coast what I noticed was the prevalence of really, really old cars. &nbsp; Back in the Northest -- before rustproofing at least -- it was common that a car which was 4 or 5 years old had completed rusted out it's bottom from all the winter salting.<p>
Maybe salting the roads was part of the auto-ecosystem and should be brought back. &nbsp; Even today, there are horribly old cars farting around I-5, and I remember reading that 1 car in 100 is usually responsible for 90% of the pollution. &nbsp;And that car is usually so old it's grandfathered in under the emissions testing laws (in WA state, if it's twenty years or older, it can be the biggest FartMobile it wants to be).<p>
With technology advancing so fast, this is a case where planned obsolescence would be a good thing. &nbsp; If we can get everyone into a 150 mpg plugin-hybrid like the Chevy Volt -- Hooty The Owl will be whistling Dixie.

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Start Salting The Roads<p>Back in the 1980s, my first trip to the West Coast what I noticed was the prevalence of really, really old cars. &nbsp; Back in the Northest -- before rustproofing at least -- it was common that a car which was 4 or 5 years old had completed rusted out it's bottom from all the winter salting.<p>
Maybe salting the roads was part of the auto-ecosystem and should be brought back. &nbsp; Even today, there are horribly old cars farting around I-5, and I remember reading that 1 car in 100 is usually responsible for 90% of the pollution. &nbsp;And that car is usually so old it's grandfathered in under the emissions testing laws (in WA state, if it's twenty years or older, it can be the biggest FartMobile it wants to be).<p>
With technology advancing so fast, this is a case where planned obsolescence would be a good thing. &nbsp; If we can get everyone into a 150 mpg plugin-hybrid like the Chevy Volt -- Hooty The Owl will be whistling Dixie.

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://you-read-it-here-first.com" rel="nofollow">You Read It Here First</a></br></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by gmunger</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:36:50 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>even sadder</strong></p><p>when you consider how many citizens have no idea about how to open and close shades and windows in response to what happens outdoors.</p><p>
It works like this, and it don't cost a dime:</p><p>
In the summer, close windows and shades in the morning, prior to the onset of solar heating. In the evening, as outdoor temperatures wane, open shades and windows to allow cool air in. Rinse, repeat.</p><p>
In the winter, do the opposite, except just with the shades.</p><p>
Whoa, dude. That's so cool.</p>
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				<p><strong>even sadder</strong></p><p>when you consider how many citizens have no idea about how to open and close shades and windows in response to what happens outdoors.</p><p>
It works like this, and it don't cost a dime:</p><p>
In the summer, close windows and shades in the morning, prior to the onset of solar heating. In the evening, as outdoor temperatures wane, open shades and windows to allow cool air in. Rinse, repeat.</p><p>
In the winter, do the opposite, except just with the shades.</p><p>
Whoa, dude. That's so cool.</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by DogsCatsAndStrays</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:46:55 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>JMG</strong></p><p>It is hard to pin a number on fleet average turnover, trying to apply statistics to a persons decision to buy a new car has uncounted variables.</p><p>
The best methodology to use for fleet average turnover is fleet half-life, it is probably as good a mathematical model as any. &nbsp; The trick is to try and guess the impact of external factors such as a doubling of gas prices. &nbsp;The five year half life (which I called turnover before) is from the oil industry and is based on gasoline price spike response. &nbsp;Historically the half life has been 8 years.</p>
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				<p><strong>JMG</strong></p><p>It is hard to pin a number on fleet average turnover, trying to apply statistics to a persons decision to buy a new car has uncounted variables.</p><p>
The best methodology to use for fleet average turnover is fleet half-life, it is probably as good a mathematical model as any. &nbsp; The trick is to try and guess the impact of external factors such as a doubling of gas prices. &nbsp;The five year half life (which I called turnover before) is from the oil industry and is based on gasoline price spike response. &nbsp;Historically the half life has been 8 years.</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by gmunger</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:13:58 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>now that's a hoot</strong></p><p>If we can get everyone into a 150 mpg plugin-hybrid like the Chevy Volt -- Hooty The Owl will be whistling Dixie.</p><p>
Who are you? And what have you done with jabaillo?</p>
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				<p><strong>now that's a hoot</strong></p><p>If we can get everyone into a 150 mpg plugin-hybrid like the Chevy Volt -- Hooty The Owl will be whistling Dixie.</p><p>
Who are you? And what have you done with jabaillo?</p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by odograph</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:53:51 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>numbers<p>If anyone is actually hungry for numbers, <a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/rtecs/contents.html" rel="nofollow">the EIA has more than you can shake a stick at. &nbsp;The <a href="http://www.greencarcongress.com/" rel="nofollow">Green Car Congress site also regularly updates sales and retirement numbers.</a></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>numbers<p>If anyone is actually hungry for numbers, <a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/rtecs/contents.html" rel="nofollow">the EIA has more than you can shake a stick at. &nbsp;The <a href="http://www.greencarcongress.com/" rel="nofollow">Green Car Congress site also regularly updates sales and retirement numbers.</a></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by d41295</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:22:09 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>plagarism</strong></p><p>Clark, you plagarized Scorecard. You cut-and-pasted their entire account into your post, without quote marks and without giving them credit.</p><p>
Do you think this is moral?</p>
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				<p><strong>plagarism</strong></p><p>Clark, you plagarized Scorecard. You cut-and-pasted their entire account into your post, without quote marks and without giving them credit.</p><p>
Do you think this is moral?</p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by tico89</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:41:25 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Tenth?</strong></p><p>Correct me if I'm wrong, or have missed something, but why is cutting gas consumption by nearly a tenth...equivalent to each driver taking a one-month holiday from driving each year. With twelve months in a year, shouldn't it be a twelfth?

<p>If I share initials with 'Global Warming', is that a sign?</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Tenth?</strong></p><p>Correct me if I'm wrong, or have missed something, but why is cutting gas consumption by nearly a tenth...equivalent to each driver taking a one-month holiday from driving each year. With twelve months in a year, shouldn't it be a twelfth?

<p>If I share initials with 'Global Warming', is that a sign?</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by Chris Schults</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:01:53 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>fact check</strong></p><p>d41295, if you're going to pollute Gristmill with your toxic comments, at least do a little research. Simply clicking on Clark's user profile reveals that he works for Sightline, the publisher of Scorecard.</p>
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				<p><strong>fact check</strong></p><p>d41295, if you're going to pollute Gristmill with your toxic comments, at least do a little research. Simply clicking on Clark's user profile reveals that he works for Sightline, the publisher of Scorecard.</p>
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            <title>Comment #14 by Ron Steenblik</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:26:37 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Serious accusation: where's the proof?</strong></p><p>D41295: I assume you are accusing Clark of plagiarism (if so, at least get the spelling of the word right), a serious accusation that should not be thrown around lightly. Out of curiosity, I looked at the web site and the report and could not find any text identical to what Clark posted. But I admit mine was only a cursory comparison.</p><p>
In any case, Clark provides a link to the original site, and he makes it very clear that he is reporting on the work that the Sightline Institute has done, not claiming it as his own.</p><p>
Further, newspapers take press releases verbatim and report them as articles (without quotation marks) all the time, and nobody accuses them of plagiarism.</p>
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				<p><strong>Serious accusation: where's the proof?</strong></p><p>D41295: I assume you are accusing Clark of plagiarism (if so, at least get the spelling of the word right), a serious accusation that should not be thrown around lightly. Out of curiosity, I looked at the web site and the report and could not find any text identical to what Clark posted. But I admit mine was only a cursory comparison.</p><p>
In any case, Clark provides a link to the original site, and he makes it very clear that he is reporting on the work that the Sightline Institute has done, not claiming it as his own.</p><p>
Further, newspapers take press releases verbatim and report them as articles (without quotation marks) all the time, and nobody accuses them of plagiarism.</p>
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            <title>Comment #15 by Ron Steenblik</title>
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				<p><strong>That clinches it</strong></p><p>Thanks, Chris. I missed your comment while I was posting mine.</p>
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				<p><strong>That clinches it</strong></p><p>Thanks, Chris. I missed your comment while I was posting mine.</p>
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            <title>Comment #16 by David Roberts</title>
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				<p><strong>Clark WROTE most of the scorecard</strong></p><p>And everybody, really, for your mental health, ignore the Man of Destiny.

<p>grist.org</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Clark WROTE most of the scorecard</strong></p><p>And everybody, really, for your mental health, ignore the Man of Destiny.

<p>grist.org</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #17 by d41295</title>
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				<p><strong>Clark</strong></p><p>I don't care if Clark wrote most of Scorecard -- he does not own it. He signed his labor over to his master, and as such he must quote and attribute them correctly. Else it is plagarism.</p>
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				<p><strong>Clark</strong></p><p>I don't care if Clark wrote most of Scorecard -- he does not own it. He signed his labor over to his master, and as such he must quote and attribute them correctly. Else it is plagarism.</p>
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            <title>Comment #18 by Nucbuddy</title>
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				<p><strong>Published-materials presented as new ones<p><b>David Roberts wrote: Clark WROTE most of the scorecard<p>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism#Self-plagiarism" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism#Self-plagiarism<p>
<b>Self-plagiarism is the reuse of significant, identical, or nearly identical portions of one's own work without acknowledging that one is doing so or without citing the original work.<br>
[...]<br>
In 1994 John Fogerty for was sued for <b>self plagiarism after leaving Fantasy Records and pursuing a solo career with Warner Brothers. Fantasy still owned the rights to the CCR library and sound. Saul Zaentz, the owner of Fantasy, claimed Fogerty's song "Old Man Down the Road" was a musical copy of the Creedence song "Run Through the Jungle." <b>The court made a landmark decision when it ruled the an artist cannot plagiarize him or herself.<br><p>
<a href="http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/plagiarized" rel="nofollow">m-w.com/dictionary/plagiarized<p>
One entry found for <b>plagiarize.<br>
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present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source<br>
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				<p><strong>Published-materials presented as new ones<p><b>David Roberts wrote: Clark WROTE most of the scorecard<p>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism#Self-plagiarism" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism#Self-plagiarism<p>
<b>Self-plagiarism is the reuse of significant, identical, or nearly identical portions of one's own work without acknowledging that one is doing so or without citing the original work.<br>
[...]<br>
In 1994 John Fogerty for was sued for <b>self plagiarism after leaving Fantasy Records and pursuing a solo career with Warner Brothers. Fantasy still owned the rights to the CCR library and sound. Saul Zaentz, the owner of Fantasy, claimed Fogerty's song "Old Man Down the Road" was a musical copy of the Creedence song "Run Through the Jungle." <b>The court made a landmark decision when it ruled the an artist cannot plagiarize him or herself.<br><p>
<a href="http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/plagiarized" rel="nofollow">m-w.com/dictionary/plagiarized<p>
One entry found for <b>plagiarize.<br>
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present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source<br>
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            <title>Comment #19 by Ron Steenblik</title>
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				<p><strong>This is ridiculous</strong></p><p>As I said:</p><p>
Clark provides a link to the original site, and he makes it very clear that he is reporting on the work that the Sightline Institute has done, not claiming it as his own.</p><p>
And nobody yet on this string has provided any comparisons of text to back up their accusations of plagiarism, even self-plagiarism.</p>
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				<p><strong>This is ridiculous</strong></p><p>As I said:</p><p>
Clark provides a link to the original site, and he makes it very clear that he is reporting on the work that the Sightline Institute has done, not claiming it as his own.</p><p>
And nobody yet on this string has provided any comparisons of text to back up their accusations of plagiarism, even self-plagiarism.</p>
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            <title>Comment #20 by Nucbuddy</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/easing-off-the-gas/</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:48:25 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The post itself appears at multiple websites<p><b>Ron Steenblik wrote: As I said:<p>
Clark provides a link to the original site, and he makes it very clear that he is reporting on the work that the Sightline Institute has done, not claiming it as his own.<p>
What was given attribution was simply this year's Cascadia Scorecard. <b>The verbatim text of the post was not given attribution, and that text is what was copied. In fact, the very sentence that you seem to think is providing proper attribution <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22One+of+the+most+striking+findings+from+this+year%E2%80%99s+Cascadia+Scorecard%22&amp;filter=0" rel="nofollow">appears verbatim, and equally-unattributed, at multiple websites.<p>
Was some of the Cascadia Scorecard copied as well? That question is not relevant at this point, because evidence of plagiarism of the entire text of the post exists regardless.<br>
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<b>Ron Steenblik wrote: nobody yet on this string has provided any comparisons of text to back up their accusations of plagiarism<p>
The text of the post appears verbatim or near-verbatim at multiple websites:<br>
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22To+put+the+recent+declines+in+context%22&amp;filter=0" rel="nofollow">google.com/search?q=%22To+put+the+recent+declines+in+context%22&amp;filter=0<p>
Here is <a href="http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:R9c1InuEXZYJ:seattle.bloggerspub.com/page/2/+%22To+put+the+recent+declines+in+context%22&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=4&amp;gl=us" rel="nofollow">one. Does it look familiar?<p>
It should.<br>
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				<p><strong>The post itself appears at multiple websites<p><b>Ron Steenblik wrote: As I said:<p>
Clark provides a link to the original site, and he makes it very clear that he is reporting on the work that the Sightline Institute has done, not claiming it as his own.<p>
What was given attribution was simply this year's Cascadia Scorecard. <b>The verbatim text of the post was not given attribution, and that text is what was copied. In fact, the very sentence that you seem to think is providing proper attribution <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22One+of+the+most+striking+findings+from+this+year%E2%80%99s+Cascadia+Scorecard%22&amp;filter=0" rel="nofollow">appears verbatim, and equally-unattributed, at multiple websites.<p>
Was some of the Cascadia Scorecard copied as well? That question is not relevant at this point, because evidence of plagiarism of the entire text of the post exists regardless.<br>
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<b>Ron Steenblik wrote: nobody yet on this string has provided any comparisons of text to back up their accusations of plagiarism<p>
The text of the post appears verbatim or near-verbatim at multiple websites:<br>
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22To+put+the+recent+declines+in+context%22&amp;filter=0" rel="nofollow">google.com/search?q=%22To+put+the+recent+declines+in+context%22&amp;filter=0<p>
Here is <a href="http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:R9c1InuEXZYJ:seattle.bloggerspub.com/page/2/+%22To+put+the+recent+declines+in+context%22&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=4&amp;gl=us" rel="nofollow">one. Does it look familiar?<p>
It should.<br>
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            <title>Comment #21 by Ron Steenblik</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/easing-off-the-gas/</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:11:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Different issue<p>What you have shown links to, Nucbuddy, are other appearances of the same post on the web. The one you refer to at the end ("Here is one. Does it look familiar?") is a reposting, which links back to the original at Sightline's <a href="http://www.sightline.org/daily_score" rel="nofollow">own website.<p>
I suggest you do a google search on any Grist article, and you will see that they are picked up and reposted verbatim on hundreds or even thousands of other sites around the world. Writers cannot be blamed for other sites republishing their stories.<p>
Whether writers themselves should be posting the same, original blogs on multiple web sites is a different question. I have noticed, however, that when David Roberts does, he makes it clear that the original was posted elsewhere. It seems, therefore, that the most Clark can be accused for is not mentioning that this article was also posted on Sightline's "Daily Score" website.</p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Different issue<p>What you have shown links to, Nucbuddy, are other appearances of the same post on the web. The one you refer to at the end ("Here is one. Does it look familiar?") is a reposting, which links back to the original at Sightline's <a href="http://www.sightline.org/daily_score" rel="nofollow">own website.<p>
I suggest you do a google search on any Grist article, and you will see that they are picked up and reposted verbatim on hundreds or even thousands of other sites around the world. Writers cannot be blamed for other sites republishing their stories.<p>
Whether writers themselves should be posting the same, original blogs on multiple web sites is a different question. I have noticed, however, that when David Roberts does, he makes it clear that the original was posted elsewhere. It seems, therefore, that the most Clark can be accused for is not mentioning that this article was also posted on Sightline's "Daily Score" website.</p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #22 by David Roberts</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/easing-off-the-gas/</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:28:00 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Daily Score posts ...</strong></p><p>... are frequently reprinted on Gristmill, by agreement of all the concerned parties.</p><p>
What I want to know, Ron, is why you're engaging these clowns as though they are not clowns.

<p>grist.org</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Daily Score posts ...</strong></p><p>... are frequently reprinted on Gristmill, by agreement of all the concerned parties.</p><p>
What I want to know, Ron, is why you're engaging these clowns as though they are not clowns.

<p>grist.org</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #23 by Ron Steenblik</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/easing-off-the-gas/</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:36:27 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>You're right</strong></p><p>"Don't feed the trolls."</p><p>
But I try to ignore WHO is saying things and respond instead to WHAT they are saying. Plagiarism is a very serious charge, especially levied at a research director.</p><p>
Thanks for setting the record straight.</p>
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				<p><strong>You're right</strong></p><p>"Don't feed the trolls."</p><p>
But I try to ignore WHO is saying things and respond instead to WHAT they are saying. Plagiarism is a very serious charge, especially levied at a research director.</p><p>
Thanks for setting the record straight.</p>
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            <title>Comment #24 by Nucbuddy</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/easing-off-the-gas/</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:10:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Misrepresentation vs. same by agreement<p><b>David Roberts wrote: Daily Score posts [...] are frequently reprinted on Gristmill, by agreement of all the concerned parties.<p>
If mere agreement of all the concerned parties would make unattributed-copying not constitute an instance of plagiarism, then acts of the following types must also not constitute instances of plagiarism:<p>
 self-plagiarism (see <a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/6/14/172332/795/#comment18" rel="nofollow">above post in this thread)<br>
 submission, for academic grading, of an essay or report purchased from a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essay_mill" rel="nofollow">paper-mill<br>
 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_cheating" rel="nofollow">contract cheating<br>
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				<p><strong>Misrepresentation vs. same by agreement<p><b>David Roberts wrote: Daily Score posts [...] are frequently reprinted on Gristmill, by agreement of all the concerned parties.<p>
If mere agreement of all the concerned parties would make unattributed-copying not constitute an instance of plagiarism, then acts of the following types must also not constitute instances of plagiarism:<p>
 self-plagiarism (see <a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/6/14/172332/795/#comment18" rel="nofollow">above post in this thread)<br>
 submission, for academic grading, of an essay or report purchased from a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essay_mill" rel="nofollow">paper-mill<br>
 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_cheating" rel="nofollow">contract cheating<br>
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