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            <title>Comment #1 by rbsimon</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:45:55 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Gas Tax Holiday Is Stupid</strong></p><p>McCain's idea is ridiculously stupid. </p><p>
I called McCain's office yesterday to tell him so. </p><p>
I talked to a staffer named Robert. </p><p>
Me: is this eighteen cent gas tax holiday -- is he serious? Or is it a<br>
Democrat trap? </p><p>
Robert: Okay, I'll pass along the comment.</p><p>
ME: No, I'm asking a question. Is he seriously proposing this? </p><p>
Robert: I'll have to pass you along to the campaign. He proposed that<br>
as part of his campaign. He has not introduced any legislation. <br>
(he may have said, he's not planning to introduce any legislation). I<br>
can give you the number for the campaign.</p><p>
Me: Oh, so it is just a Democrat trap! I have to say, I'm relieved --<br>
because this is a really stupid idea. I don't know if Senator McCain's<br>
been watching what's actually going on with gas prices, but if you drop<br>
the .18 tax, the price will go up by 30 cents by September -- but<br>
instead of being in the Treasury where we can use it to maintain the<br>
roads and public transit, it will be going directly into the pockets of<br>
the oil companies. We should have raised the tax by two dollars six<br>
years ago.</p><p>
Robert: (pause). Okay ... (frustrated). I'll pass that along.</p><p>
Me: Thanks. Have a great day.</p><p>
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If we had raised the gas tax by one dollar per gallon in October, 2001, we would have </p><p>
1. brought in enough revenues to fund the war in Iraq in cash, rather than putting it on the credit card. </p><p>
OR</p><p>


begun a massive program to transition to the next energy economy. We could have converted every gas station in the country to run hydrogen for $100 billion. </p><p>
that much of a hike, that quickly, would have begun to decrease demand and drive demand for alternatives and efficiency. </p><p>


We're paying twice that extra dollar -- the cost of a gallon of gas has risen by two dollars during the Bush years. Except none of it is going into improving the infrastructure of the nation -- well, 18 cents. And none is going toward the next energy order. </p><p>
It's all going to the oil companies, and they're not using it tp start to move to the next thing, according to thir own execs testifying before Congress. They're using it to build a surplus for their own future lean years, when the oil runs out (which they simultaneously argue is not happening. </p><p>
We are awfully shortsighted. </br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Gas Tax Holiday Is Stupid</strong></p><p>McCain's idea is ridiculously stupid. </p><p>
I called McCain's office yesterday to tell him so. </p><p>
I talked to a staffer named Robert. </p><p>
Me: is this eighteen cent gas tax holiday -- is he serious? Or is it a<br>
Democrat trap? </p><p>
Robert: Okay, I'll pass along the comment.</p><p>
ME: No, I'm asking a question. Is he seriously proposing this? </p><p>
Robert: I'll have to pass you along to the campaign. He proposed that<br>
as part of his campaign. He has not introduced any legislation. <br>
(he may have said, he's not planning to introduce any legislation). I<br>
can give you the number for the campaign.</p><p>
Me: Oh, so it is just a Democrat trap! I have to say, I'm relieved --<br>
because this is a really stupid idea. I don't know if Senator McCain's<br>
been watching what's actually going on with gas prices, but if you drop<br>
the .18 tax, the price will go up by 30 cents by September -- but<br>
instead of being in the Treasury where we can use it to maintain the<br>
roads and public transit, it will be going directly into the pockets of<br>
the oil companies. We should have raised the tax by two dollars six<br>
years ago.</p><p>
Robert: (pause). Okay ... (frustrated). I'll pass that along.</p><p>
Me: Thanks. Have a great day.</p><p>
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If we had raised the gas tax by one dollar per gallon in October, 2001, we would have </p><p>
1. brought in enough revenues to fund the war in Iraq in cash, rather than putting it on the credit card. </p><p>
OR</p><p>


begun a massive program to transition to the next energy economy. We could have converted every gas station in the country to run hydrogen for $100 billion. </p><p>
that much of a hike, that quickly, would have begun to decrease demand and drive demand for alternatives and efficiency. </p><p>


We're paying twice that extra dollar -- the cost of a gallon of gas has risen by two dollars during the Bush years. Except none of it is going into improving the infrastructure of the nation -- well, 18 cents. And none is going toward the next energy order. </p><p>
It's all going to the oil companies, and they're not using it tp start to move to the next thing, according to thir own execs testifying before Congress. They're using it to build a surplus for their own future lean years, when the oil runs out (which they simultaneously argue is not happening. </p><p>
We are awfully shortsighted. </br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Colin Wright</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/dont-celebrate-this-holiday/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:23:53 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>What will gas hunger do to the U.S.?<p>Great article! To make matters worse, the linear rise we currently see with gas prices (about 50c/yr) will likely turn exponential once we fall off the oil plateau (87-90 mbd). When new oil projects coming online in the next few years are added up, it looks net depletion will start winning out by 2011 (Oil Depletion Analysis Centre).<p>
Thus we have about 2 years to put in place a mitigation strategy. Bus Rapid Transit should be put in place along major highways, while we build the rail infrastructure and compactified neighborhoods needed for an electrified transportation network. Companies ought to be thinking of setting up their own minibuses to pick up employees, like Microsoft is already doing.<p>
The ethanol mandates should be dropped asap, a shortsighted and failed strategy to prolong car dependency. Even peaceful <a href="http://earthpolicy.org/Updates/2008/Update72.htm" rel="nofollow">Thailand gives us some indication of our future if we fail to take action:<br>
In the face of rising food prices and spreading hunger, the social order is beginning to break down in some countries. In several provinces in Thailand, for instance, rustlers steal rice by harvesting fields during the night. In response, Thai villagers with distant fields have taken to guarding ripe rice fields at night with loaded shotguns.</br></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>What will gas hunger do to the U.S.?<p>Great article! To make matters worse, the linear rise we currently see with gas prices (about 50c/yr) will likely turn exponential once we fall off the oil plateau (87-90 mbd). When new oil projects coming online in the next few years are added up, it looks net depletion will start winning out by 2011 (Oil Depletion Analysis Centre).<p>
Thus we have about 2 years to put in place a mitigation strategy. Bus Rapid Transit should be put in place along major highways, while we build the rail infrastructure and compactified neighborhoods needed for an electrified transportation network. Companies ought to be thinking of setting up their own minibuses to pick up employees, like Microsoft is already doing.<p>
The ethanol mandates should be dropped asap, a shortsighted and failed strategy to prolong car dependency. Even peaceful <a href="http://earthpolicy.org/Updates/2008/Update72.htm" rel="nofollow">Thailand gives us some indication of our future if we fail to take action:<br>
In the face of rising food prices and spreading hunger, the social order is beginning to break down in some countries. In several provinces in Thailand, for instance, rustlers steal rice by harvesting fields during the night. In response, Thai villagers with distant fields have taken to guarding ripe rice fields at night with loaded shotguns.</br></a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Easterbunny</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:32:29 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>it is shoddy leadership</strong></p><p>So, you construct an argument that high gas prices are not a result of Bush's shoddy leadership, because there's nothing he could have done to prevent it. That's only true if you have an extremely narrow view of the problem - i.e. that it's the prices themselves that are the problem, rather than the difficulties that high gas prices present to the majority of the population.</p><p>
Bush had a clear set of choices over the past 7 years. He could have listened to clear scientific evidence about climate change and peak oil, and diversified the US's energy sources, demanding higher efficiency vehicles, investing in renewables and energy efficiency. Or he could have listened to the greedy, blinkered view of his oil company buddies, and helped line their pockets further.</p><p>
He chose wrong. This is shoddy leadership at its worst.</p>
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				<p><strong>it is shoddy leadership</strong></p><p>So, you construct an argument that high gas prices are not a result of Bush's shoddy leadership, because there's nothing he could have done to prevent it. That's only true if you have an extremely narrow view of the problem - i.e. that it's the prices themselves that are the problem, rather than the difficulties that high gas prices present to the majority of the population.</p><p>
Bush had a clear set of choices over the past 7 years. He could have listened to clear scientific evidence about climate change and peak oil, and diversified the US's energy sources, demanding higher efficiency vehicles, investing in renewables and energy efficiency. Or he could have listened to the greedy, blinkered view of his oil company buddies, and helped line their pockets further.</p><p>
He chose wrong. This is shoddy leadership at its worst.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by matkins</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/dont-celebrate-this-holiday/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:37:32 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>eficient civic heating<p>Hi,<p>
I've just come across your blog and thought you might be interested in this.<p>
Ideasforlife.tv has produced a video about a cutting edge heating system in operation in the UK. &nbsp;The system has been designed in Birmingham and is currently in use in the city centre.<p>
You can check the video out here: &nbsp;<a href="http://www.ideasforlife.tv/watch/259" rel="nofollow">http://www.ideasforlife.tv/watch/259 <br>
</br></a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>eficient civic heating<p>Hi,<p>
I've just come across your blog and thought you might be interested in this.<p>
Ideasforlife.tv has produced a video about a cutting edge heating system in operation in the UK. &nbsp;The system has been designed in Birmingham and is currently in use in the city centre.<p>
You can check the video out here: &nbsp;<a href="http://www.ideasforlife.tv/watch/259" rel="nofollow">http://www.ideasforlife.tv/watch/259 <br>
</br></a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Delay And Deny</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/dont-celebrate-this-holiday/</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:48:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Grist People In Another Dimension</strong></p><p><br>
Does anyone at Grist work for a living in a real job?</p><p>
I imagine all of you in thatch huts in Vermont, rooting for berries and occasionally slipping into the public library to post here.</p><p>
Alternatively, you are trust fund babies living in a condo paid for by your parents in Bellevue...and it's either reading Grist or watching cartoon network until the party starts at 7pm.</p><p>
Either way, giving a poor working stiff a few cents a gallon by cutting the tax isn't really much different from what Cosco or Safeway do when you use their club card. &nbsp; What are the effects of saving 0.3c a gallon? &nbsp; Does CO2 go up? &nbsp; Does "mass transit busways" get stalled? &nbsp;Do people take their 0.3c a gallon and invest it in coal plants.</p><p>
No. &nbsp;But for a little while, it makes Mr. American smile for a second or two while stuck at the pump. </p><p>
That's all.<br>


<p>J. Bailo
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				<p><strong>Grist People In Another Dimension</strong></p><p><br>
Does anyone at Grist work for a living in a real job?</p><p>
I imagine all of you in thatch huts in Vermont, rooting for berries and occasionally slipping into the public library to post here.</p><p>
Alternatively, you are trust fund babies living in a condo paid for by your parents in Bellevue...and it's either reading Grist or watching cartoon network until the party starts at 7pm.</p><p>
Either way, giving a poor working stiff a few cents a gallon by cutting the tax isn't really much different from what Cosco or Safeway do when you use their club card. &nbsp; What are the effects of saving 0.3c a gallon? &nbsp; Does CO2 go up? &nbsp; Does "mass transit busways" get stalled? &nbsp;Do people take their 0.3c a gallon and invest it in coal plants.</p><p>
No. &nbsp;But for a little while, it makes Mr. American smile for a second or two while stuck at the pump. </p><p>
That's all.<br>


<p>J. Bailo
Participant
Texeme.Construct()</p></br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by racc</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:20:02 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Most People Don't Drive</strong></p><p>Most of the people that have every lived have not driving a car. Most people currently alive don't drive and most people that will ever live on the planet will never drive. </p><p>
Its time Mr America gets a grip and start taking responsibility for the future and stop whining about expensive gas.</p>
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				<p><strong>Most People Don't Drive</strong></p><p>Most of the people that have every lived have not driving a car. Most people currently alive don't drive and most people that will ever live on the planet will never drive. </p><p>
Its time Mr America gets a grip and start taking responsibility for the future and stop whining about expensive gas.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by In the belly</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:44:27 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>working for a living?</strong></p><p>I have to wait to post until I get home from my job, rather than use my computer at work for personal use. &nbsp;Yet "someone" suggests that no one who posts at Grist works for a living, while posting in the middle of the day.</p><p>
Just makes me wonder...</p>
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				<p><strong>working for a living?</strong></p><p>I have to wait to post until I get home from my job, rather than use my computer at work for personal use. &nbsp;Yet "someone" suggests that no one who posts at Grist works for a living, while posting in the middle of the day.</p><p>
Just makes me wonder...</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by NiraliSherni</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 01:50:59 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Subsidize EVs instead</strong></p><p>Instead of giving this tax holiday, which will only encourage people to drive gas guzzlers, the government should take a leaf out of the books of other governments such as India and Spain who are planning to subsidize purchase of Electric vehicles.</p>
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				<p><strong>Subsidize EVs instead</strong></p><p>Instead of giving this tax holiday, which will only encourage people to drive gas guzzlers, the government should take a leaf out of the books of other governments such as India and Spain who are planning to subsidize purchase of Electric vehicles.</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by rwelborn</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 05:31:14 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Mr. Time on his hands/hard worker!</strong></p><p>I present to you J. Bailo!</p><p>
WE all want to know what J. Bailo does for a living, besides being the biggest nay-sayer of Grist.org's opinions &nbsp;</p><p>
He obviously is a trust fund baby along with the writers of this website, right? &nbsp;Writers are all rich babies! &nbsp;Who has time to read through everything on this website...EVERYDAY? &nbsp;Why are you a subscriber J?</p><p>
PEOPLE! Keep your minds conservative! &nbsp;The world is just fine, nothing is wrong with any of our leaders and their policies. &nbsp;It's the democrats that want to destroy us and our leisurely american ways!</p><p>
Let's change the laws and let GW run for another 4 years! &nbsp;He is our only hope! &nbsp;Right JB? &nbsp;Everything is just peachy republicans have all the good ideas. &nbsp;It's the democrats that got us where we are today.</p><p>
Nay.</p>
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				<p><strong>Mr. Time on his hands/hard worker!</strong></p><p>I present to you J. Bailo!</p><p>
WE all want to know what J. Bailo does for a living, besides being the biggest nay-sayer of Grist.org's opinions &nbsp;</p><p>
He obviously is a trust fund baby along with the writers of this website, right? &nbsp;Writers are all rich babies! &nbsp;Who has time to read through everything on this website...EVERYDAY? &nbsp;Why are you a subscriber J?</p><p>
PEOPLE! Keep your minds conservative! &nbsp;The world is just fine, nothing is wrong with any of our leaders and their policies. &nbsp;It's the democrats that want to destroy us and our leisurely american ways!</p><p>
Let's change the laws and let GW run for another 4 years! &nbsp;He is our only hope! &nbsp;Right JB? &nbsp;Everything is just peachy republicans have all the good ideas. &nbsp;It's the democrats that got us where we are today.</p><p>
Nay.</p>
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