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            <title>Comment #1 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 08:04:42 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>megafauna in America</strong></p><p>God bless Josh, for thinking big. &nbsp;Whether moving certain animals to North America is a good thing for the individual animals may be defensible, but is certainly controversial to those of us interested in animal rights. (I myself am of two minds, or three, or six, or a dozen, on the matter of whether saving species, as opposed to saving individual animals, is just another anthropocentric self-regarding game.) &nbsp;The whole experiment would be a terrific learning experience for all of us. &nbsp;But the animals come first. &nbsp;It sounds remarkably cruel to land African mammals in the Dakotas and expect them to be happy. &nbsp;Bactrian camels might do fine there. &nbsp;But lions, cheetahs, elephants will certainly not.</p>
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				<p><strong>megafauna in America</strong></p><p>God bless Josh, for thinking big. &nbsp;Whether moving certain animals to North America is a good thing for the individual animals may be defensible, but is certainly controversial to those of us interested in animal rights. (I myself am of two minds, or three, or six, or a dozen, on the matter of whether saving species, as opposed to saving individual animals, is just another anthropocentric self-regarding game.) &nbsp;The whole experiment would be a terrific learning experience for all of us. &nbsp;But the animals come first. &nbsp;It sounds remarkably cruel to land African mammals in the Dakotas and expect them to be happy. &nbsp;Bactrian camels might do fine there. &nbsp;But lions, cheetahs, elephants will certainly not.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by jdhlax</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:34:06 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Great Idea ...</strong></p><p>but where will you put those animals? &nbsp;The U.S. is so grossly overpopulated that wherever they used to live isn't there anymore.</p><p>
RE the aminal rightser, you've got to be kidding! &nbsp;Individuals are more important than species?! &nbsp;I know you people can be illogical, but this takes the cake.</p>
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				<p><strong>Great Idea ...</strong></p><p>but where will you put those animals? &nbsp;The U.S. is so grossly overpopulated that wherever they used to live isn't there anymore.</p><p>
RE the aminal rightser, you've got to be kidding! &nbsp;Individuals are more important than species?! &nbsp;I know you people can be illogical, but this takes the cake.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by Mockingbird</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:44:12 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Megafauna in America</strong></p><p>This is a great article by a man with conservation biology ideas and Earth First! sentiments. &nbsp;I love Josh Donlan's idea, I would love to see megafauna from Asia and Africa roaming the plains and forests of the US. &nbsp;But that dream makes me sad because I'd like it so much more than the shopping malls, highways, cars, trucks and suburbs that are currently overpopulating the American landscape -- and it isn't going to happen. &nbsp;It's an idea whose time has gone, very unfortunately. &nbsp;There are too many people in the US, most of them conditioned to be scared of megafauna and ignorant of the importance of biodiversity. &nbsp;</p><p>
When the reality of oil depletion hits, land will be needed to grow food. &nbsp;That could be soon. &nbsp;And then it will be too late and too expensive to bring lions and tigers and elephants, etc,. over from Eurasia and Africa. &nbsp;Maybe after the die off (or die back) of humans, the animals of the Earth (if there are any left) will repopulate North America, but not until then. &nbsp;That is my regretful opinion.</p><p>
I also share concern about the trauma of relocating megafauna from far continents. &nbsp;It's hard enough to successfully do it within North America, as when lynx were relocated from Canada to the Colorado Rockies and most of them starved to death. &nbsp; It wouldn't be fair or kind to the animals -- too risky. &nbsp;Better for humans to grow up and accept what a mess we've made of this planet and humbly become ecoliterate in order to survive global warming and oil depletion. &nbsp;There's no time to lose!</p>
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				<p><strong>Megafauna in America</strong></p><p>This is a great article by a man with conservation biology ideas and Earth First! sentiments. &nbsp;I love Josh Donlan's idea, I would love to see megafauna from Asia and Africa roaming the plains and forests of the US. &nbsp;But that dream makes me sad because I'd like it so much more than the shopping malls, highways, cars, trucks and suburbs that are currently overpopulating the American landscape -- and it isn't going to happen. &nbsp;It's an idea whose time has gone, very unfortunately. &nbsp;There are too many people in the US, most of them conditioned to be scared of megafauna and ignorant of the importance of biodiversity. &nbsp;</p><p>
When the reality of oil depletion hits, land will be needed to grow food. &nbsp;That could be soon. &nbsp;And then it will be too late and too expensive to bring lions and tigers and elephants, etc,. over from Eurasia and Africa. &nbsp;Maybe after the die off (or die back) of humans, the animals of the Earth (if there are any left) will repopulate North America, but not until then. &nbsp;That is my regretful opinion.</p><p>
I also share concern about the trauma of relocating megafauna from far continents. &nbsp;It's hard enough to successfully do it within North America, as when lynx were relocated from Canada to the Colorado Rockies and most of them starved to death. &nbsp; It wouldn't be fair or kind to the animals -- too risky. &nbsp;Better for humans to grow up and accept what a mess we've made of this planet and humbly become ecoliterate in order to survive global warming and oil depletion. &nbsp;There's no time to lose!</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by ceylon</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:22:40 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>re-wilding review<p>Bringing back whatever wildlife and wild places we can could be seen as your damn duty as a human, if not what is good for your soul. I have no interest in hearing about what is possible to do; not if those possibilities are only what we consider after we've taken all we want from this beautiful rock we live on. <br>
There are other things worth living for than deciding where to fit our burst-over-the-beltline population and then feeding them and giving them cars. I'm for this proposal because it's proactive: it shows that there is hope for an upswing, and here is a way act on it(I'm not denying that there are many other ways to get hope up or to be proactive). It's also got evolutionary and ecological sense in it. There is a ton that we can learn from trying it out! <p>
When I heard about this, I looked for the article that had come out in Nature...you can read the PDF here:<p>
<a href="http://www.eeb.cornell.edu/donlan/PDFS/Re-wildingNorthAmerica.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.eeb.cornell.edu/donlan/PDFS/Re-wildingNorthAmerica.pdf<p>
&nbsp;I also heard there is a more in-depth coverage of the science behind the proposal that will be published soon.</p></a></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>re-wilding review<p>Bringing back whatever wildlife and wild places we can could be seen as your damn duty as a human, if not what is good for your soul. I have no interest in hearing about what is possible to do; not if those possibilities are only what we consider after we've taken all we want from this beautiful rock we live on. <br>
There are other things worth living for than deciding where to fit our burst-over-the-beltline population and then feeding them and giving them cars. I'm for this proposal because it's proactive: it shows that there is hope for an upswing, and here is a way act on it(I'm not denying that there are many other ways to get hope up or to be proactive). It's also got evolutionary and ecological sense in it. There is a ton that we can learn from trying it out! <p>
When I heard about this, I looked for the article that had come out in Nature...you can read the PDF here:<p>
<a href="http://www.eeb.cornell.edu/donlan/PDFS/Re-wildingNorthAmerica.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.eeb.cornell.edu/donlan/PDFS/Re-wildingNorthAmerica.pdf<p>
&nbsp;I also heard there is a more in-depth coverage of the science behind the proposal that will be published soon.</p></a></p></p></br></p></strong></p>
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