<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Mike Tidwell speaks out in the <em>WaPo</em> against coal]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by JohnMashey http://www.grist.org/article/dominion-powers-dirty-plans-for-virginia/ Mon, 28 Jan 2008 06:45:28 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/dominion-powers-dirty-plans-for-virginia/1 Unsurprising, and oddly, related to CA/EPA

http://www.bcnys.org/whatsnew/2001/1211balance.htm lists the "balance of payments" of states with the Federal Government, i.e., the difference between money paid to the US Government, and money received back.  This was for 2000, so it's a little old, but I suspect the overall structure hasn't changed.

I did a spreadsheet with:
Paid
Received
Difference = paid - Received
% Return = Received/Paid

and sorted by Difference, with a few interesting states:

CA -$63B, 75%  [largest net contributor]
NY -$47B, 72%  [2nd largest]
....
MD +$5B, 112%
....
VA +$13B, 126% [largest net recipient]

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Also interesting is that of the 15 states that made net contributions [CA, NY, IL*, NJ, MI*, CT, MA, MN*, WA, WI*, PA, OR, NH*, DE*, VT}, 9 are with CA in fighting the EPA (* aren't), along with RI, ME, MD, FL, CO, UT, AZ, NM, i.e., 17 states total.

If your take those 17, of the money sent to the Federal Govt that didn't come back $290B), we paid 70%, despite being 46% of the population.

There seems to be a strong correlation between states that worry about energy&climate, and those who don't.  It may well be that being well-subsidized by the rest of us helps a state ignore such issues...

-John Mashey











]]> Unsurprising, and oddly, related to CA/EPA

http://www.bcnys.org/whatsnew/2001/1211balance.htm lists the "balance of payments" of states with the Federal Government, i.e., the difference between money paid to the US Government, and money received back.  This was for 2000, so it's a little old, but I suspect the overall structure hasn't changed.

I did a spreadsheet with:
Paid
Received
Difference = paid - Received
% Return = Received/Paid

and sorted by Difference, with a few interesting states:

CA -$63B, 75%  [largest net contributor]
NY -$47B, 72%  [2nd largest]
....
MD +$5B, 112%
....
VA +$13B, 126% [largest net recipient]

==
Also interesting is that of the 15 states that made net contributions [CA, NY, IL*, NJ, MI*, CT, MA, MN*, WA, WI*, PA, OR, NH*, DE*, VT}, 9 are with CA in fighting the EPA (* aren't), along with RI, ME, MD, FL, CO, UT, AZ, NM, i.e., 17 states total.

If your take those 17, of the money sent to the Federal Govt that didn't come back $290B), we paid 70%, despite being 46% of the population.

There seems to be a strong correlation between states that worry about energy&climate, and those who don't.  It may well be that being well-subsidized by the rest of us helps a state ignore such issues...

-John Mashey











]]> Comment #2 by TheGreenMiles http://www.grist.org/article/dominion-powers-dirty-plans-for-virginia/ Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:09:02 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/dominion-powers-dirty-plans-for-virginia/2 Virginia's coal ship may be sinking ...

...  but we'll be saved when the affordable carbon capture and storage rescue boat arrives! It is on its way, right? Hello? Mayday, mayday!

Join the discussion on global warming, recycling, and organic beer at The Green Miles!

]]> Virginia's coal ship may be sinking ...

...  but we'll be saved when the affordable carbon capture and storage rescue boat arrives! It is on its way, right? Hello? Mayday, mayday!

Join the discussion on global warming, recycling, and organic beer at The Green Miles!

]]> Comment #3 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/dominion-powers-dirty-plans-for-virginia/ Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:18:04 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/dominion-powers-dirty-plans-for-virginia/3 Heh

Heh, "What boat?"
http://greyfalcon.net/costlycoal2
http://greyfalcon.net/ccs

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Heh, "What boat?"
http://greyfalcon.net/costlycoal2
http://greyfalcon.net/ccs

]]> Comment #4 by JMG http://www.grist.org/article/dominion-powers-dirty-plans-for-virginia/ Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:43:18 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/dominion-powers-dirty-plans-for-virginia/4 Same for DoD

The federal donor list has, since WWII, been essentially the same -- the donor states being those listed, the states feeding at the trough being the ones who send senators and congresscritters up to DC to lambaste government waste and taxes ... while grabbing onto the Pentagon pork barrel with both hands.

Save the world: Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.

]]> Same for DoD

The federal donor list has, since WWII, been essentially the same -- the donor states being those listed, the states feeding at the trough being the ones who send senators and congresscritters up to DC to lambaste government waste and taxes ... while grabbing onto the Pentagon pork barrel with both hands.

Save the world: Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.

]]> Comment #5 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/dominion-powers-dirty-plans-for-virginia/ Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:45:55 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/dominion-powers-dirty-plans-for-virginia/5 Be Careful What You Ask For...

Well, Grist Ecologists, you might be having some nocturnal emissions in the next few nights, because it looks like they're about to put the kibosh on cheap coal and send it sky high like oil:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20602099&sid=a ...

Jan. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Coal rose to a record in Asia and advanced in Europe as floods in Australia and snow storms in China restricted output, spurring utilities to seek new supplies.

Anglo American Plc today said operations have resumed at five South African mines shut Jan. 25 because of power shortages. Coal prices at Australia's Newcastle port, a benchmark for Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, jumped 3.9 percent to a record $93.35 a metric ton in the week ended Jan. 25, according to globalCOAL. European coal advanced to a two-week high.

``It's difficult to see in the next 18 months to two years who would have the capacity to significantly increase supply,'' Graham Chapman, managing director at Richmond, U.K.-based consultant Energy Edge Ltd., said by telephone today.

Viva la Climate Resistance!

]]> Be Careful What You Ask For...

Well, Grist Ecologists, you might be having some nocturnal emissions in the next few nights, because it looks like they're about to put the kibosh on cheap coal and send it sky high like oil:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20602099&sid=a ...

Jan. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Coal rose to a record in Asia and advanced in Europe as floods in Australia and snow storms in China restricted output, spurring utilities to seek new supplies.

Anglo American Plc today said operations have resumed at five South African mines shut Jan. 25 because of power shortages. Coal prices at Australia's Newcastle port, a benchmark for Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, jumped 3.9 percent to a record $93.35 a metric ton in the week ended Jan. 25, according to globalCOAL. European coal advanced to a two-week high.

``It's difficult to see in the next 18 months to two years who would have the capacity to significantly increase supply,'' Graham Chapman, managing director at Richmond, U.K.-based consultant Energy Edge Ltd., said by telephone today.

Viva la Climate Resistance!

]]> Comment #6 by Martha Hagood http://www.grist.org/article/dominion-powers-dirty-plans-for-virginia/ Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:40:13 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/dominion-powers-dirty-plans-for-virginia/6 jabailo's Haiku and nocturnal emissions

Our pet Troll has, for me, been somehow transformed by his contributions to the last couple of threads.  I find myself anticipating his words with pleasure. Welcome, Troll. Sit down and have some nettle tea.

]]> jabailo's Haiku and nocturnal emissions

Our pet Troll has, for me, been somehow transformed by his contributions to the last couple of threads.  I find myself anticipating his words with pleasure. Welcome, Troll. Sit down and have some nettle tea.

]]> Comment #7 by catman http://www.grist.org/article/dominion-powers-dirty-plans-for-virginia/ Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:14:38 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/dominion-powers-dirty-plans-for-virginia/7 When A defends B, attact A, then attack B

Gov. Tim Kaine may support it, but somebody has to put up the money to make it happen.  Put their future in doubt.

]]> When A defends B, attact A, then attack B

Gov. Tim Kaine may support it, but somebody has to put up the money to make it happen.  Put their future in doubt.

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