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            <title>Comment #1 by Tom Philpott</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:56:43 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>But we are doing something!<p>What, you never heard of <a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/9/24/112556/658" rel="nofollow">biofuels? 

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				<p><strong>But we are doing something!<p>What, you never heard of <a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/9/24/112556/658" rel="nofollow">biofuels? 

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            <title>Comment #2 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:29:08 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Madame Velocibovary<p>This is why people should change their lifestyles:<p>
<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2532554.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/articl ...<p>
The emergence of a two-wheeled mating service has been one of several unintended consequences of the runaway success of le V&#233;lib', the sturdy grey bicyclettes that the Mayor of Paris, Bertrand Delano&#235;, unleashed on the streets in mid-July.<p>
"It's the perfect pickup," said Florian, a 23-year-old graduate student who was pedalling on the Boulevard Saint-Germain. "You exchange glances waiting at a light, you help her dock the bike back on to its stand and one thing leads to another."<p>
So far the almost-free bikes, which now number 14,000, have been taken out on five million trips. More than 100,000 Parisians have paid the &#128;29 (&#163;20) for the annual access card despite teething troubles, including brim-full ranks in rush-hour. The scheme has doubled the number of Parisian cyclists and 6,000 more bikes are to enter service by January. 

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://sutext.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">Sutext:</a></br></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Madame Velocibovary<p>This is why people should change their lifestyles:<p>
<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2532554.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/articl ...<p>
The emergence of a two-wheeled mating service has been one of several unintended consequences of the runaway success of le V&#233;lib', the sturdy grey bicyclettes that the Mayor of Paris, Bertrand Delano&#235;, unleashed on the streets in mid-July.<p>
"It's the perfect pickup," said Florian, a 23-year-old graduate student who was pedalling on the Boulevard Saint-Germain. "You exchange glances waiting at a light, you help her dock the bike back on to its stand and one thing leads to another."<p>
So far the almost-free bikes, which now number 14,000, have been taken out on five million trips. More than 100,000 Parisians have paid the &#128;29 (&#163;20) for the annual access card despite teething troubles, including brim-full ranks in rush-hour. The scheme has doubled the number of Parisian cyclists and 6,000 more bikes are to enter service by January. 

<p>John Bailo<br>
<a href="http://sutext.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">Sutext:</a></br></p></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by GreenEngineer</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:12:11 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>graphs<p>Those results look compelling, but I wonder what would have happened if they had asked: Would you be willing to pay &lt;2x the going rate per gallon&gt; for gas to combat climate change? &nbsp;Or pay 10% more taxes? &nbsp;Or drive half as much? &nbsp;(Obviously, these are developed-world-centric questions.) &nbsp;But I suspect that the proportions would have been reversed. &nbsp;Humans have an amazing ability to hold multiple contradictory positions simultaneously.<p>
The <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=483851&amp;in_page_id=1773" rel="nofollow">American Environmental Values Survey (PDF) speaks to some of these contradictions. &nbsp;Worth a read.</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>graphs<p>Those results look compelling, but I wonder what would have happened if they had asked: Would you be willing to pay &lt;2x the going rate per gallon&gt; for gas to combat climate change? &nbsp;Or pay 10% more taxes? &nbsp;Or drive half as much? &nbsp;(Obviously, these are developed-world-centric questions.) &nbsp;But I suspect that the proportions would have been reversed. &nbsp;Humans have an amazing ability to hold multiple contradictory positions simultaneously.<p>
The <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=483851&amp;in_page_id=1773" rel="nofollow">American Environmental Values Survey (PDF) speaks to some of these contradictions. &nbsp;Worth a read.</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by plum</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:20:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Re: India</strong></p><p>India has an awful lot of libertarian Ayn Rand types. Could this explain their low scores? More to the point, what's with Germany &amp; S Korea? And where's Japan?</p>
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				<p><strong>Re: India</strong></p><p>India has an awful lot of libertarian Ayn Rand types. Could this explain their low scores? More to the point, what's with Germany &amp; S Korea? And where's Japan?</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by zacaroni</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:44:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Libertarian Ayn Rand Types</strong></p><p>Excuse me, plum, but I am an ardent environmental activist and happen to also be a libertarian, and a [sceptical but open minded] reader of Ayn Rand. &nbsp;I don't like that India's results are written off simply because you think that most of them are the "type" to ignore the issue. &nbsp;And maybe they are. &nbsp;But I am not. &nbsp;</p><p>
Environmentalism and libertarianism are not in opposition to each other, as I see it (though unfortunately, many libertarians disagree, as you seem to). &nbsp;I see environmental justice as a personal health issue as much as I see it as a global issue. &nbsp;Therefore, it is in the best interest of an individual to care about the air that they breath and the water that they drink. &nbsp;As my water could come from as far away as China or India, I should also care about water quality in that place. &nbsp;Perhaps I simply have a broader view of "home" than most libertarians: my home is the Earth, and the Earth is a mess.</p><p>
(All you non-libertarians out there should use this as an example when trying to convince your libertarian friends to be environmentalists!)</p>
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				<p><strong>Libertarian Ayn Rand Types</strong></p><p>Excuse me, plum, but I am an ardent environmental activist and happen to also be a libertarian, and a [sceptical but open minded] reader of Ayn Rand. &nbsp;I don't like that India's results are written off simply because you think that most of them are the "type" to ignore the issue. &nbsp;And maybe they are. &nbsp;But I am not. &nbsp;</p><p>
Environmentalism and libertarianism are not in opposition to each other, as I see it (though unfortunately, many libertarians disagree, as you seem to). &nbsp;I see environmental justice as a personal health issue as much as I see it as a global issue. &nbsp;Therefore, it is in the best interest of an individual to care about the air that they breath and the water that they drink. &nbsp;As my water could come from as far away as China or India, I should also care about water quality in that place. &nbsp;Perhaps I simply have a broader view of "home" than most libertarians: my home is the Earth, and the Earth is a mess.</p><p>
(All you non-libertarians out there should use this as an example when trying to convince your libertarian friends to be environmentalists!)</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by zacaroni</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:34:33 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>on the survey</strong></p><p>I would be curious to explore this survey in depth. &nbsp;I'm concerned about both technicalities and the psychology of the survey.</p><p>
Firstly: I wonder about translations. &nbsp;I have noticed that the three Spanish-speaking countries (not including Spain) have generally the same score. &nbsp;Is this cultural? &nbsp;Or, does it have to do with the Spanish translation of the survey? &nbsp;I think the latter. &nbsp;Note that the industrialized English-speaking countries all have similar numbers.</p><p>
This could possibly explain why Germany (which I believe isn't that unconcerned with global climate change and environmental issues) seemed to be split down the middle: perhaps the word "necessary" or the word "soon" was poorly translated into the German!</p><p>
Furthermore, when it comes to the psychology of a survey, consider how <strong>you</strong> would answer the following questions: </p><p>
"How necessary do you think it is to address climate change?"<br>
"How necessary do you think it is to address human rights?"<br>
"How necessary do you think it is to address world hunger?"</p><p>
Get the idea? &nbsp;Not many people are going to say they are unconcerned with an issue like this. &nbsp;Few people would honestly answer "not very necessary" to the question that was posed, which makes this survey's results predictable.</br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>on the survey</strong></p><p>I would be curious to explore this survey in depth. &nbsp;I'm concerned about both technicalities and the psychology of the survey.</p><p>
Firstly: I wonder about translations. &nbsp;I have noticed that the three Spanish-speaking countries (not including Spain) have generally the same score. &nbsp;Is this cultural? &nbsp;Or, does it have to do with the Spanish translation of the survey? &nbsp;I think the latter. &nbsp;Note that the industrialized English-speaking countries all have similar numbers.</p><p>
This could possibly explain why Germany (which I believe isn't that unconcerned with global climate change and environmental issues) seemed to be split down the middle: perhaps the word "necessary" or the word "soon" was poorly translated into the German!</p><p>
Furthermore, when it comes to the psychology of a survey, consider how <strong>you</strong> would answer the following questions: </p><p>
"How necessary do you think it is to address climate change?"<br>
"How necessary do you think it is to address human rights?"<br>
"How necessary do you think it is to address world hunger?"</p><p>
Get the idea? &nbsp;Not many people are going to say they are unconcerned with an issue like this. &nbsp;Few people would honestly answer "not very necessary" to the question that was posed, which makes this survey's results predictable.</br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by trock</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:07:26 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>used to call myself a libertarian</strong></p><p>I would have called myself a libertarian at one time and still look to is as some kind of ideal to strive for. &nbsp; </p><p>
We have 4 trillion dollars in taxes in a 13 trillion dollar economy. &nbsp;If we are going to have taxes, at least have it on something that can do some good for having taxes on it as well as bring in money for government services. &nbsp; &nbsp;Why have taxes on things that just make things cost more without at least doing something good. &nbsp; </p><p>
I also think these numbers of people who think that global warming is a problem and we need to do something is a mile wide, but an inch thick. &nbsp; &nbsp;Not like protecting our country, like people in Iraq feel they are doing, risking their lives and sometimes losing it. &nbsp; &nbsp; I suppose some of the stunts of Greenpeace or Earth Firsters would qualify on that. &nbsp; But how many are willing to work for it, whether letters to the editors, politians or influence public opinion in any way. &nbsp;That's harder.</p>
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				<p><strong>used to call myself a libertarian</strong></p><p>I would have called myself a libertarian at one time and still look to is as some kind of ideal to strive for. &nbsp; </p><p>
We have 4 trillion dollars in taxes in a 13 trillion dollar economy. &nbsp;If we are going to have taxes, at least have it on something that can do some good for having taxes on it as well as bring in money for government services. &nbsp; &nbsp;Why have taxes on things that just make things cost more without at least doing something good. &nbsp; </p><p>
I also think these numbers of people who think that global warming is a problem and we need to do something is a mile wide, but an inch thick. &nbsp; &nbsp;Not like protecting our country, like people in Iraq feel they are doing, risking their lives and sometimes losing it. &nbsp; &nbsp; I suppose some of the stunts of Greenpeace or Earth Firsters would qualify on that. &nbsp; But how many are willing to work for it, whether letters to the editors, politians or influence public opinion in any way. &nbsp;That's harder.</p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by plum</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:12:12 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>On libertarians</strong></p><p>Sorry, zacaroni, if my comment got your goat up. I admit, my attitude to libertarians is influenced in large part by those libertarians I know who are strongly in the climate change denial camp. Nice to see one who not only isn't, but is an ardent environmentalist! (Now, if you could just have a word or two with some of your fellows...)</p><p>
On the India results in the survey, I took a gander at the pdf and noticed that only 48% of Indian respondents said they had heard or read about global warming (no time period asked), so I'm assuming this goes a long way to explaining why only 47% of Indians viewed human activity as a major cause of global warming.</p><p>
Seems like the Indian media still may have a long way to go on this topic.</p>
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				<p><strong>On libertarians</strong></p><p>Sorry, zacaroni, if my comment got your goat up. I admit, my attitude to libertarians is influenced in large part by those libertarians I know who are strongly in the climate change denial camp. Nice to see one who not only isn't, but is an ardent environmentalist! (Now, if you could just have a word or two with some of your fellows...)</p><p>
On the India results in the survey, I took a gander at the pdf and noticed that only 48% of Indian respondents said they had heard or read about global warming (no time period asked), so I'm assuming this goes a long way to explaining why only 47% of Indians viewed human activity as a major cause of global warming.</p><p>
Seems like the Indian media still may have a long way to go on this topic.</p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by socialscientist</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:54:13 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>misdirection<p>Agrofuels and more efficient autos will prolong the life of autosprawl, probably just long enough to doom us.<p>
<a href="http://www.freepublictransit.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.freepublictransit.org</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>misdirection<p>Agrofuels and more efficient autos will prolong the life of autosprawl, probably just long enough to doom us.<p>
<a href="http://www.freepublictransit.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.freepublictransit.org</a></p></p></strong></p>
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