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            <title>Comment #1 by PermieWriter</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:48:54 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Good for them!<p>It must make things very interesting to educate people about the wonders of local ag with such an example just down the way. What a reminder of the long way we have to go to real sustainability.<p>
Californians are lucky to have the chance to vote for <a href="http://www.humanecalifornia.org/" rel="nofollow">Prop 2 this November, which will curb some of the worst atrocities of the CAFOs in our state. But even if the human farming proposition passes, we still have a long way to go to make factory farms humane in our own state, much less the rest of America and the world.

<p><a href="http://garden2table.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Eat what you grow, grow what you eat</a></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Good for them!<p>It must make things very interesting to educate people about the wonders of local ag with such an example just down the way. What a reminder of the long way we have to go to real sustainability.<p>
Californians are lucky to have the chance to vote for <a href="http://www.humanecalifornia.org/" rel="nofollow">Prop 2 this November, which will curb some of the worst atrocities of the CAFOs in our state. But even if the human farming proposition passes, we still have a long way to go to make factory farms humane in our own state, much less the rest of America and the world.

<p><a href="http://garden2table.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Eat what you grow, grow what you eat</a></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by spaceshaper</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:03:52 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Soylent, anyone?</strong></p><p>"if the human farming proposition passes"</p><p>
Had a twinge when I read permie's typo.

<p>The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Soylent, anyone?</strong></p><p>"if the human farming proposition passes"</p><p>
Had a twinge when I read permie's typo.

<p>The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:46:01 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>different approaches</strong></p><p>Just to be clear, opponents of CAFOs do not all use the same arguments. &nbsp;The anthropocentric arguments highlighted in this post by Ariane Lotti are fine, even excellent, so far as they go. &nbsp;But we promoters of animal rights do not think they get to the heart of the matter, however much we may applaud them (as I for one do).</p><p>
Even if CAFOs caused no environmental damage whatsoever, and smelled like roses, and got their neighbors smilingly to congratulate themselves over and over again that yes, thanks to CAFOs, the quality of their lives has been improving, nevertheless it would still be true that they are evil institutions which ought to be abolished.</p><p>
O SpaSh:<br>
At the Thanksgiving feast, the question is asked at countless tables, "Would you like the thigh or the breast?" &nbsp;In another context, a similar question is asked: "Are you a leg-man or a breast-man?" &nbsp;("Another context" can even mean within the minds of certain anxious greenhorns.) &nbsp;So is it not high time to bring these two kinds of connoisseurship, which are after all so similar, together?</p><p>
Anyway, good for PermieWriter to emphasize the "humane" aspect of voting for Prop 2. &nbsp;PW is no doubt right to foresee that its victory will be just a beginning. &nbsp;Still, that counts for a great deal, at this stage of our moral evolution.</p><p>
As I wrote elsewhere, Californians are fortunate to be able to strike blows for both animal rights and gay rights in November.

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>different approaches</strong></p><p>Just to be clear, opponents of CAFOs do not all use the same arguments. &nbsp;The anthropocentric arguments highlighted in this post by Ariane Lotti are fine, even excellent, so far as they go. &nbsp;But we promoters of animal rights do not think they get to the heart of the matter, however much we may applaud them (as I for one do).</p><p>
Even if CAFOs caused no environmental damage whatsoever, and smelled like roses, and got their neighbors smilingly to congratulate themselves over and over again that yes, thanks to CAFOs, the quality of their lives has been improving, nevertheless it would still be true that they are evil institutions which ought to be abolished.</p><p>
O SpaSh:<br>
At the Thanksgiving feast, the question is asked at countless tables, "Would you like the thigh or the breast?" &nbsp;In another context, a similar question is asked: "Are you a leg-man or a breast-man?" &nbsp;("Another context" can even mean within the minds of certain anxious greenhorns.) &nbsp;So is it not high time to bring these two kinds of connoisseurship, which are after all so similar, together?</p><p>
Anyway, good for PermieWriter to emphasize the "humane" aspect of voting for Prop 2. &nbsp;PW is no doubt right to foresee that its victory will be just a beginning. &nbsp;Still, that counts for a great deal, at this stage of our moral evolution.</p><p>
As I wrote elsewhere, Californians are fortunate to be able to strike blows for both animal rights and gay rights in November.

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by swan</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:04:09 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>What we all must do</strong></p><p>I hope a lot of activists read this story. So many of us have fought the good fight and lost (at least for now) and I keep telling people to just go on and do what you believe is right even in the face of all that is being done wrong. That is bearing witness. People notice. They write about it. They pass it on. The good way lives to fight another day - and in the meantime we get to eat delicious food!

<p>http://goodwordswan.wildflowerstew.com</p></p>
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				<p><strong>What we all must do</strong></p><p>I hope a lot of activists read this story. So many of us have fought the good fight and lost (at least for now) and I keep telling people to just go on and do what you believe is right even in the face of all that is being done wrong. That is bearing witness. People notice. They write about it. They pass it on. The good way lives to fight another day - and in the meantime we get to eat delicious food!

<p>http://goodwordswan.wildflowerstew.com</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by bailsout</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:12:09 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Hogfest</strong></p><p>Jan and Tim's loss (our loss) makes me as sick to my stomach as when I saw the hogfest in Surgis with McCain speaking to the revving crowd. I just want to puke.</p>
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				<p><strong>Hogfest</strong></p><p>Jan and Tim's loss (our loss) makes me as sick to my stomach as when I saw the hogfest in Surgis with McCain speaking to the revving crowd. I just want to puke.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by ScintillatingSkua</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 14:30:23 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Devoted Volunteer of Prop 2 </strong></p><p>The Meat &amp; Milk Industry is loaded with funds and could IMMEDIATELY, if they so choose, LOWER THE PRICE of milk, eggs and meat. They cry poverty and scream higher prices because they need to use fear tactics to convince voters to vote against Prop 2 in Ca. and continue cruel, cheap, poisonous ways of imprisoning farm creatures and negligently poisoning the countryside with animal feces filled with antibiotics. Cows and their innocent, loving calves, sows and their bouncy, pink piglets and chickens with their fluffy, yellow chicks are cruelly separated from each other and imprisoned for their life. These are god's good creatures, put on this earth to enhance our lives, not to be inhumanely imprisoned, doped up, hideously treated throughout their sad and painful lives which culminate with the hoisting by machine to confirm their deepest fear of hanging upside down with hooks in their neck or back or chest, listening in terror, to the anguish of the thousands of family members, being butchered like this every day of every month of every year for the easy profit of the cruel and thieving scum known as the: Meat &amp; Milk Industry. Hanging upside down while alive to await the electro-shock is the cruelest of deaths. This also creates a hormonal effect, flooding the animal with negative fear and pain hormones. This ruins the meat but that is not the main point The public is unaware of these practices and the Factory "prisons" don't speak of the Unspeakable, but I ran a bio-organic sheep farm for 10 years and know the hideousness of the Meat Industry.Their pretty pictures of happy cows is something that ended 60 years ago except on smaller organic and family farms. This is nauseating and must be stopped in the name of ethics, morals and human benevolence and understanding. Greed is not our creed!</p><p>
Prop 2 will take affect in 2015 so HOW THE $#$%^%^ can the factory prisons claim higher prices. They are fear-mongers who want to keep their Cadillacs at the expense of humane treatment of god's beautiful gifts to humanity. What price corruption.<br>
Let me remind you that these practices are ILLEGAL in Europe and have been for as long as I have been in this industry. May Fac/Prison owners come back as pregnant sows on their hideous torture factories.

<p>Bio-Organic Sheep Ranch Farmer who made a fine living caring for her "products" as nature intended.</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>Devoted Volunteer of Prop 2 </strong></p><p>The Meat &amp; Milk Industry is loaded with funds and could IMMEDIATELY, if they so choose, LOWER THE PRICE of milk, eggs and meat. They cry poverty and scream higher prices because they need to use fear tactics to convince voters to vote against Prop 2 in Ca. and continue cruel, cheap, poisonous ways of imprisoning farm creatures and negligently poisoning the countryside with animal feces filled with antibiotics. Cows and their innocent, loving calves, sows and their bouncy, pink piglets and chickens with their fluffy, yellow chicks are cruelly separated from each other and imprisoned for their life. These are god's good creatures, put on this earth to enhance our lives, not to be inhumanely imprisoned, doped up, hideously treated throughout their sad and painful lives which culminate with the hoisting by machine to confirm their deepest fear of hanging upside down with hooks in their neck or back or chest, listening in terror, to the anguish of the thousands of family members, being butchered like this every day of every month of every year for the easy profit of the cruel and thieving scum known as the: Meat &amp; Milk Industry. Hanging upside down while alive to await the electro-shock is the cruelest of deaths. This also creates a hormonal effect, flooding the animal with negative fear and pain hormones. This ruins the meat but that is not the main point The public is unaware of these practices and the Factory "prisons" don't speak of the Unspeakable, but I ran a bio-organic sheep farm for 10 years and know the hideousness of the Meat Industry.Their pretty pictures of happy cows is something that ended 60 years ago except on smaller organic and family farms. This is nauseating and must be stopped in the name of ethics, morals and human benevolence and understanding. Greed is not our creed!</p><p>
Prop 2 will take affect in 2015 so HOW THE $#$%^%^ can the factory prisons claim higher prices. They are fear-mongers who want to keep their Cadillacs at the expense of humane treatment of god's beautiful gifts to humanity. What price corruption.<br>
Let me remind you that these practices are ILLEGAL in Europe and have been for as long as I have been in this industry. May Fac/Prison owners come back as pregnant sows on their hideous torture factories.

<p>Bio-Organic Sheep Ranch Farmer who made a fine living caring for her "products" as nature intended.</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by liz217</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:23:59 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>case name?</strong></p><p>Hi,</p><p>
The case described in this article is a very interesting example of small communities lacking the power to effectively utilize the law as a weapon. I'm interested in using this case in a research paper I'm currently working on- does anybody know the year of the case and the name of the case?</p><p>
Or, does anyone know of any other recent cases dealing with CAFOs and small communities? &nbsp;I'm especially interested in cases in which a small community group failed to win a case against a CAFO.</p><p>
Thanks!</p>
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				<p><strong>case name?</strong></p><p>Hi,</p><p>
The case described in this article is a very interesting example of small communities lacking the power to effectively utilize the law as a weapon. I'm interested in using this case in a research paper I'm currently working on- does anybody know the year of the case and the name of the case?</p><p>
Or, does anyone know of any other recent cases dealing with CAFOs and small communities? &nbsp;I'm especially interested in cases in which a small community group failed to win a case against a CAFO.</p><p>
Thanks!</p>
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