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            <title>Comment #1 by fotografx</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:21:15 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Carbon Offsets</strong></p><p>It seems the idea of carbon offsets trading if in fact an international set of limits is adopted would be a good way to provide a mechanism to balance resources in an overall positive way to obtain a reduction that would be less of a burden to those least capable of investing in the means to reduce carbon emissions output.</p><p>
But on an individual basis it seems much less productive compared to finding ways to actually reduce one's carbon footprint by adopting ways to use less energy by efficiencies that conserve while providing the same level of living benefits. For instance many Europeans enjoy a standard of living equal to or better than Americans but on average have a carbon footprint half that of Americans. Identifying the differences and why we in American use more carbon based energy would assist greatly in reducing our emissions without any substantive reduction in living standards.</p><p>
David B. Brooks </p>
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				<p><strong>Carbon Offsets</strong></p><p>It seems the idea of carbon offsets trading if in fact an international set of limits is adopted would be a good way to provide a mechanism to balance resources in an overall positive way to obtain a reduction that would be less of a burden to those least capable of investing in the means to reduce carbon emissions output.</p><p>
But on an individual basis it seems much less productive compared to finding ways to actually reduce one's carbon footprint by adopting ways to use less energy by efficiencies that conserve while providing the same level of living benefits. For instance many Europeans enjoy a standard of living equal to or better than Americans but on average have a carbon footprint half that of Americans. Identifying the differences and why we in American use more carbon based energy would assist greatly in reducing our emissions without any substantive reduction in living standards.</p><p>
David B. Brooks </p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by emigre</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:57:22 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>cheat neutral<p>Anyone who thinks carbon offsetting is quite a good idea should visit <a href="http://www.cheatneutral.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cheatneutral.com where they hilariously tear the idea to shreds.<p>
""At Cheatneutral, we believe that we should all try to reduce the amount we cheat on our partners, but we also realise that fidelity isn't always possible..."</p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>cheat neutral<p>Anyone who thinks carbon offsetting is quite a good idea should visit <a href="http://www.cheatneutral.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cheatneutral.com where they hilariously tear the idea to shreds.<p>
""At Cheatneutral, we believe that we should all try to reduce the amount we cheat on our partners, but we also realise that fidelity isn't always possible..."</p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by cnorton</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:52:32 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Carbon Correct!<p>Carbon neutral is an interesting goal - I appreciate the intent but question the execution. As an organization we decided to side step by providing a Carbon Correct option. In the Forest Guardians carbon offset program (<a href="http://fguardians.org/guardians/co2-calculate.asp" rel="nofollow">http://fguardians.org/guardians/co2-calculate.asp), we plant trees to offset carbon emissions (maybe a 1:1 for offset but probably just a good approximation) but more importantly we restore the whole ecosystem. Restoring the ecosystem has three additional benefits The restored ecosystem is 1. a nursery for additional restoration, 2. a show case of what is possible is created on the ground, 3. a healthy ecosystem is a resilient ecosystem that can better withstand inevitable climate changes. With this program we have an immediate effect - carbon reduction, and a long term effect - ability to survive in the face of change.</a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Carbon Correct!<p>Carbon neutral is an interesting goal - I appreciate the intent but question the execution. As an organization we decided to side step by providing a Carbon Correct option. In the Forest Guardians carbon offset program (<a href="http://fguardians.org/guardians/co2-calculate.asp" rel="nofollow">http://fguardians.org/guardians/co2-calculate.asp), we plant trees to offset carbon emissions (maybe a 1:1 for offset but probably just a good approximation) but more importantly we restore the whole ecosystem. Restoring the ecosystem has three additional benefits The restored ecosystem is 1. a nursery for additional restoration, 2. a show case of what is possible is created on the ground, 3. a healthy ecosystem is a resilient ecosystem that can better withstand inevitable climate changes. With this program we have an immediate effect - carbon reduction, and a long term effect - ability to survive in the face of change.</a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by jaiagreen</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:37:19 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>CheatNeutral is silly</strong></p><p>Cheating in a relationship hurts <b>your</b> significant other. In other words, its effects are local. CO2 emissions, on the other hand, only exert their effects globally. Your town doesn't warm up if it emits more carbon dioxide. The CheatNeutral comparison is incorrect and misleading.</p>
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				<p><strong>CheatNeutral is silly</strong></p><p>Cheating in a relationship hurts <b>your</b> significant other. In other words, its effects are local. CO2 emissions, on the other hand, only exert their effects globally. Your town doesn't warm up if it emits more carbon dioxide. The CheatNeutral comparison is incorrect and misleading.</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by freeztar</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:48:12 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Terra Preta</strong></p><p>Imho, the best way for an individual to affect the CO2 balance is to make charcoal out of yard waste. Burning yard waste pollutes the air and composting yard waste releases CO2. By turning yard waste into charcoal, you are locking that Carbon into a form that will not degrade for hundreds of years. So plants suck the CO2 out of the air, and you lock it in the ground. The added benefit is a soil ammendment that is wonderful for plants. Look up Terra Preta for more info.</p>
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				<p><strong>Terra Preta</strong></p><p>Imho, the best way for an individual to affect the CO2 balance is to make charcoal out of yard waste. Burning yard waste pollutes the air and composting yard waste releases CO2. By turning yard waste into charcoal, you are locking that Carbon into a form that will not degrade for hundreds of years. So plants suck the CO2 out of the air, and you lock it in the ground. The added benefit is a soil ammendment that is wonderful for plants. Look up Terra Preta for more info.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by bburtis</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:03:44 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>carbon offsets<p>Carbon offsets are a very real piece of the puzzle we need to complete in order to combat global warming effectively. &nbsp;They are what you can do about whatever carbon you really, really can't get rid of after you've avoided, reduced, fuel-switched, etc.<p>
But David Brooks is right (though the funny people at cheat neutral are wrong) - if you just offset what you are doing without making changes in every area of your life style (down-sizing homes, vehicles, commutes, appliances, etc.) - you are cheating, and you are cheating all of us.<p>
To find out more about which offsets really count, visit <a href="http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/ConsumersGuidetoCarbonOffsets.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/ConsumersGuidetoCarbon ...</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>carbon offsets<p>Carbon offsets are a very real piece of the puzzle we need to complete in order to combat global warming effectively. &nbsp;They are what you can do about whatever carbon you really, really can't get rid of after you've avoided, reduced, fuel-switched, etc.<p>
But David Brooks is right (though the funny people at cheat neutral are wrong) - if you just offset what you are doing without making changes in every area of your life style (down-sizing homes, vehicles, commutes, appliances, etc.) - you are cheating, and you are cheating all of us.<p>
To find out more about which offsets really count, visit <a href="http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/ConsumersGuidetoCarbonOffsets.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/ConsumersGuidetoCarbon ...</a></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by jpoo</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:25:50 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>go local</strong></p><p>I suggest diverting your donation (equal to offset) from an unknown location to a local organization that is working to curb global warming.</p>
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				<p><strong>go local</strong></p><p>I suggest diverting your donation (equal to offset) from an unknown location to a local organization that is working to curb global warming.</p>
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