<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Climate change skeptics fall for hoax paper]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by tidal http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/ Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:22:17 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/1 and about those FBI mind-control implants...

Regarding that rant from the Weather Channel guy, apparently CNN parrotted it on-air sometime this afternoon. To which Mark Hoofnagle responds: Ahhh, that is some fine crankery. I speak as a connoisseur... Why are we listening to this nonsense? CNN might as well broadcast an editorial from a man convinced the FBI put a chip in his brain... I think we've got to break out the tinfoil hats for this guy.

]]> and about those FBI mind-control implants...

Regarding that rant from the Weather Channel guy, apparently CNN parrotted it on-air sometime this afternoon. To which Mark Hoofnagle responds: Ahhh, that is some fine crankery. I speak as a connoisseur... Why are we listening to this nonsense? CNN might as well broadcast an editorial from a man convinced the FBI put a chip in his brain... I think we've got to break out the tinfoil hats for this guy.

]]> Comment #2 by GRLCowan http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/ Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:33:26 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/2 Good one. (nt)

--- G. R. L. Cowan, boron internal combustion fan
How shall cars gain nuclear cachet?
http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/boron_blast.html

]]> Good one. (nt)

--- G. R. L. Cowan, boron internal combustion fan
How shall cars gain nuclear cachet?
http://www.eagle.ca/~gcowan/boron_blast.html

]]> Comment #3 by Steve Bloom http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/ Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:57:27 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/3 The dozens

Whole dozens of scientific papers.  Wow.  I'm somewhere north of 1,000 and feel that I just barely have an amateur grasp of many of the basics.      
 

]]> The dozens

Whole dozens of scientific papers.  Wow.  I'm somewhere north of 1,000 and feel that I just barely have an amateur grasp of many of the basics.      
 

]]> Comment #4 by A Siegel http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/ Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:40:41 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/4 See Steve

that is your problem, you've gone at least two orders of magnitude too far.

If you've only stopped at 10, you'd have much more certainly in life. (Well, of course, even better at one or even never doing any.)  Then you could follow that sage advice, "Don't Worry, Be Happy".

Dave -- nice write-up.  I'll add a link to it at mine (http://energysmart.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/pity-the-fool ... )

Blogging regularly at Energy Smart to Energize America .

]]> See Steve

that is your problem, you've gone at least two orders of magnitude too far.

If you've only stopped at 10, you'd have much more certainly in life. (Well, of course, even better at one or even never doing any.)  Then you could follow that sage advice, "Don't Worry, Be Happy".

Dave -- nice write-up.  I'll add a link to it at mine (http://energysmart.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/pity-the-fool ... )

Blogging regularly at Energy Smart to Energize America .

]]> Comment #5 by amazingdrx http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/ Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:56:51 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/5 Colbert principle

This whole phenomena ought to be named for Colbert.  Satirical hosery of the nut wing.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

]]> Colbert principle

This whole phenomena ought to be named for Colbert.  Satirical hosery of the nut wing.

http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

]]> Comment #6 by trock http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/ Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:05:33 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/6 some took it well

This blogger had a sense of humor and appreciated the Hoax.  It was an interesting read.  The comments at the end seem so very true.

http://www.peerreviewflorida.com/fl/2007/11/the-death-of- ...

But Rush's failure was misreading a memo from someone who screens his stuff and the screener did think it was a hoax.  Although it's funny to catch him on anything, he only misinterpreted a badly written note.  ( as reported)  funny, but not enough of an indictment, he's done much worse.

That meteorology claims to say 'it's all about the science,' then goes on and on about the politics.  What he disagrees with about the science he won't say, he's to busy writing about the politics.  

]]> some took it well

This blogger had a sense of humor and appreciated the Hoax.  It was an interesting read.  The comments at the end seem so very true.

http://www.peerreviewflorida.com/fl/2007/11/the-death-of- ...

But Rush's failure was misreading a memo from someone who screens his stuff and the screener did think it was a hoax.  Although it's funny to catch him on anything, he only misinterpreted a badly written note.  ( as reported)  funny, but not enough of an indictment, he's done much worse.

That meteorology claims to say 'it's all about the science,' then goes on and on about the politics.  What he disagrees with about the science he won't say, he's to busy writing about the politics.  

]]> Comment #7 by Greta http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/ Sun, 11 Nov 2007 04:09:49 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/7 Better and more helpful hoax:

If only someone would convince people that Climate Change would bring about the extinction of NASCAR.

Heh heh.

Better yet, require every spectator of air shows and auto races to pay a "carbon offset fee" at the door.   Throw in a "meat eaters tax" and we could properly fund the healing of Mother Earth.

www.NoPunProductions.com ~ AmericaTheGreen.org

]]> Better and more helpful hoax:

If only someone would convince people that Climate Change would bring about the extinction of NASCAR.

Heh heh.

Better yet, require every spectator of air shows and auto races to pay a "carbon offset fee" at the door.   Throw in a "meat eaters tax" and we could properly fund the healing of Mother Earth.

www.NoPunProductions.com ~ AmericaTheGreen.org

]]> Comment #8 by bookerly http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/ Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:06:08 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/8 And from the other side....


   I did see a biology paper once, wherein a graduate student at a top American University (nameless to protect the innocent) had after long and careful research determined that we are, indeed, descended from our ancestors....

   (I wondered what the other possibilities were for quite some time...)

patrick in beijing

]]> And from the other side....


   I did see a biology paper once, wherein a graduate student at a top American University (nameless to protect the innocent) had after long and careful research determined that we are, indeed, descended from our ancestors....

   (I wondered what the other possibilities were for quite some time...)

patrick in beijing

]]> Comment #9 by Reformed Republican http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/ Mon, 12 Nov 2007 04:58:38 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/9 They fooled Rush!!

Of course, plenty of skeptics saw it as an obvious hoax.
Like this one.

]]> They fooled Rush!!

Of course, plenty of skeptics saw it as an obvious hoax.
Like this one.

]]> Comment #10 by DaveGreenAndRed http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/ Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:16:37 -0800 http://www.grist.org/article/did-you-know-the-word-gullible-isnt-in-the-dictionary/10 Fun, but not helpful

Of course it's entertaining to poke fun at naive / stupid global warming deniers.

But we have to realize that this kind of hoax plays into the hands of the strategic and intelligent global warming deniers - the ones who are getting paid a lot of money to create confusion.  These are a far more effective crowd.

This crowd doesn't care if something is a hoax, or is even outed as a hoax.  They only care that it gets published as widely as possible, because for some of the populace, IT WILL STICK NO MATTER WHETHER IT IS TRUE OR FALSE.

Those who have looked at Big Tobacco's tactics (and anyone who cares about global warming should do so) will know that they have - more than once - funded bogus "studies" that get reported in newspapers.  Later these "studies" get de-bunked, and sometimes the journals and newspapers that reported on them even print a retraction.  But very few notice the retraction.  The bogus studies, in other words, worked.  Just like a hoax.

So while we high-five and say "good one - we really confused those dummies", guess what the strategic global warming deniers are doing.  

Yes, they are high-fiving and saying "good one, etc."

 

]]> Fun, but not helpful

Of course it's entertaining to poke fun at naive / stupid global warming deniers.

But we have to realize that this kind of hoax plays into the hands of the strategic and intelligent global warming deniers - the ones who are getting paid a lot of money to create confusion.  These are a far more effective crowd.

This crowd doesn't care if something is a hoax, or is even outed as a hoax.  They only care that it gets published as widely as possible, because for some of the populace, IT WILL STICK NO MATTER WHETHER IT IS TRUE OR FALSE.

Those who have looked at Big Tobacco's tactics (and anyone who cares about global warming should do so) will know that they have - more than once - funded bogus "studies" that get reported in newspapers.  Later these "studies" get de-bunked, and sometimes the journals and newspapers that reported on them even print a retraction.  But very few notice the retraction.  The bogus studies, in other words, worked.  Just like a hoax.

So while we high-five and say "good one - we really confused those dummies", guess what the strategic global warming deniers are doing.  

Yes, they are high-fiving and saying "good one, etc."

 

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