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            <title>Comment #1 by GreyFlcn</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/dems-blow-it-mccain-allies-kill-gang-of-20/</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:43:03 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Heh,<p>The argument that McCain supports dealing with climate change is just about as comical as expecting him to enforce strict regulations on the banking industry.<br>
(Lol, Keating-Five Scandal / Saving&amp;Loan Crisis)<p>
He claims "Obama would raise electricity taxes". Which doesn't indicate much intention by McCain of putting a price on Carbon emissions.<br>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/18/154018/999" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/18/154018/999<br>
<a href="http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/29/abba-was-right-fool-me-once-shame-on-bush-fool-me-twice-shame-on-mccain/" rel="nofollow">http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/29/abba-was-right-fool ...<p>
McCain's voting record is pretty clear that he doesn't support renewable energy.<br>
For comparison, his voting record is almost identical to Senator James Inhofe.<br>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/8/9910/30616#comment2" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/8/9910/30616#comm ...<p>
And he's said fun little phrases like:<br>
"If you maximized renewable energy in every possible way the contribution that that would make given the present state of technology is very small, is very small. The truly clean technologies don't work!"<br>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/16/164816/035" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/16/164816/035<p>
"The wind industry is doing fine, the solar industry is doing fine. In the '70s, we gave too many subsidies and too much help"<br>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/5/9/12502/69812" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/5/9/12502/69812<p>
His main objective is merely to get an excuse to toss gobs and gobs of pork towards the nuclear power industry.<br>
<a href="http://grist.org/news/daily/2005/05/16/3/" rel="nofollow">http://grist.org/news/daily/2005/05/16/3/<br>
<a href="http://triplepundit.com/pages/environmental-groups-lead-effo-003136.php" rel="nofollow">http://triplepundit.com/pages/environmental-groups-lead-e ...<br>
<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/mccains-nuclear-plan-coul_n_126858.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/mccains-nuclear- ...<p>
Haven't you been duped by this before?<br>
<a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2008/07/02/summer-sacrilege-us-climate-approach-finds-backers/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2008/07/02/summ ...<p>
_<p>
The only reason McCain even has any skin in the game is that he made the McCain-Lieberman climate bill.<p>
The catch being, it's the weakest climate bill thats ever been proposed.<p>
And it was merely meant to be a Republican response to Senator Barbara Boxer's far stronger climate bill.<p>
(BTW, I remember there used to be this spiffy graph that compared a bunch of the climate plans, and what they would achieve over time. &nbsp;Wonder where that is.)

<p>-David Ahlport</p></p></p></p></p></p></a></br></p></a></br></a></br></a></br></p></a></br></p></a></br></br></p></a></br></br></p></a></br></a></br></p></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Heh,<p>The argument that McCain supports dealing with climate change is just about as comical as expecting him to enforce strict regulations on the banking industry.<br>
(Lol, Keating-Five Scandal / Saving&amp;Loan Crisis)<p>
He claims "Obama would raise electricity taxes". Which doesn't indicate much intention by McCain of putting a price on Carbon emissions.<br>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/18/154018/999" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/18/154018/999<br>
<a href="http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/29/abba-was-right-fool-me-once-shame-on-bush-fool-me-twice-shame-on-mccain/" rel="nofollow">http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/29/abba-was-right-fool ...<p>
McCain's voting record is pretty clear that he doesn't support renewable energy.<br>
For comparison, his voting record is almost identical to Senator James Inhofe.<br>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/8/9910/30616#comment2" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/8/9910/30616#comm ...<p>
And he's said fun little phrases like:<br>
"If you maximized renewable energy in every possible way the contribution that that would make given the present state of technology is very small, is very small. The truly clean technologies don't work!"<br>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/16/164816/035" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/16/164816/035<p>
"The wind industry is doing fine, the solar industry is doing fine. In the '70s, we gave too many subsidies and too much help"<br>
<a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/5/9/12502/69812" rel="nofollow">http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/5/9/12502/69812<p>
His main objective is merely to get an excuse to toss gobs and gobs of pork towards the nuclear power industry.<br>
<a href="http://grist.org/news/daily/2005/05/16/3/" rel="nofollow">http://grist.org/news/daily/2005/05/16/3/<br>
<a href="http://triplepundit.com/pages/environmental-groups-lead-effo-003136.php" rel="nofollow">http://triplepundit.com/pages/environmental-groups-lead-e ...<br>
<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/mccains-nuclear-plan-coul_n_126858.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/mccains-nuclear- ...<p>
Haven't you been duped by this before?<br>
<a href="http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2008/07/02/summer-sacrilege-us-climate-approach-finds-backers/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2008/07/02/summ ...<p>
_<p>
The only reason McCain even has any skin in the game is that he made the McCain-Lieberman climate bill.<p>
The catch being, it's the weakest climate bill thats ever been proposed.<p>
And it was merely meant to be a Republican response to Senator Barbara Boxer's far stronger climate bill.<p>
(BTW, I remember there used to be this spiffy graph that compared a bunch of the climate plans, and what they would achieve over time. &nbsp;Wonder where that is.)

<p>-David Ahlport</p></p></p></p></p></p></a></br></p></a></br></a></br></a></br></p></a></br></p></a></br></br></p></a></br></br></p></a></br></a></br></p></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by gmobus</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/dems-blow-it-mccain-allies-kill-gang-of-20/</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:44:05 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The problems have no feasible political solution!<p>Start here: <a href="http://questioneverything.typepad.com/question_everything/2008/07/what-is-the-real-problem.html" rel="nofollow">http://questioneverything.typepad.com/question_everything ...<p>
Then follow the links (at the top right - "Is there a sapient form of governance?") through to the present to read about some fundamental approaches to real solutions.<p>
As events unfold I should think it would be clear to all objective observers that the old ways of looking at things, the old way of solving problems, no longer hold. You can't talk out a forest fire.<p>
<a href="http://questioneverything.typepad.com/" rel="nofollow">Question Everything<p>
<a href="http://faculty.washington.edu/gmobus/" rel="nofollow">George<br>


<p>George Mobus, 
Associate Professor, Institute of Technology,
University of Washington Tacoma,
and Professional Student for Life</p></br></a></p></a></p></p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>The problems have no feasible political solution!<p>Start here: <a href="http://questioneverything.typepad.com/question_everything/2008/07/what-is-the-real-problem.html" rel="nofollow">http://questioneverything.typepad.com/question_everything ...<p>
Then follow the links (at the top right - "Is there a sapient form of governance?") through to the present to read about some fundamental approaches to real solutions.<p>
As events unfold I should think it would be clear to all objective observers that the old ways of looking at things, the old way of solving problems, no longer hold. You can't talk out a forest fire.<p>
<a href="http://questioneverything.typepad.com/" rel="nofollow">Question Everything<p>
<a href="http://faculty.washington.edu/gmobus/" rel="nofollow">George<br>


<p>George Mobus, 
Associate Professor, Institute of Technology,
University of Washington Tacoma,
and Professional Student for Life</p></br></a></p></a></p></p></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by amazingdrx</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/dems-blow-it-mccain-allies-kill-gang-of-20/</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 03:02:12 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Economic eclipse</strong></p><p>As the economy takes all the focus away from every other issue, the primacy of oil in the crisis could shift the frame of reference back to oil alternatives.</p><p>
Drill, drill, drilling rhetoric has obscured this avenue.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Economic eclipse</strong></p><p>As the economy takes all the focus away from every other issue, the primacy of oil in the crisis could shift the frame of reference back to oil alternatives.</p><p>
Drill, drill, drilling rhetoric has obscured this avenue.

<p>http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog     John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin</p></p>
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