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            <title>Comment #1 by randino</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:50:46 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Democratic unreliability</strong></p><p>I think on your final point that we should combine those features and I can see no reason why not. I think we underestimate people's interest in the issue of global warming. As you find so often in the activist biz, the people who you think are clueless, not only understand, but are leaving you behind.</p><p>
Recently one of our hyper consevative columnists in Cleveland did the usual blather of global warming denial. Much to my surprise, the response in the letters to the editor section was like a tar and feather lynch mob. There was not one letter that came to his defense, and the letters filled an entire page. I think it is a very smart idea to sell on the positive side, but people do respond to danger (it is natural) and will respond to the global warming threat. </p><p>
The Democrats are not going to do anything for us without having our foot firmly planted up their asses. We have to organize, organize, organize, and then organize somemore. One thing I would like to do is take a page from gay politics, where gays have organized into gay democratic clubs. A friend of mine just got elected to the state legislature with the support of a local gay democratic club. He got gay baited by a rival, and it blew up in his opponent's face and sank his campaign. I want to organize a Bob Marshall Democratic Club in the area, leave behind the non-profit castration syndrome, and get into the bare knuckles of it. In politics you are either a participant or a victim. Environmentalists need to lose their political chastity and become players. </p><p>
randino

<p>Randy Cunningham</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Democratic unreliability</strong></p><p>I think on your final point that we should combine those features and I can see no reason why not. I think we underestimate people's interest in the issue of global warming. As you find so often in the activist biz, the people who you think are clueless, not only understand, but are leaving you behind.</p><p>
Recently one of our hyper consevative columnists in Cleveland did the usual blather of global warming denial. Much to my surprise, the response in the letters to the editor section was like a tar and feather lynch mob. There was not one letter that came to his defense, and the letters filled an entire page. I think it is a very smart idea to sell on the positive side, but people do respond to danger (it is natural) and will respond to the global warming threat. </p><p>
The Democrats are not going to do anything for us without having our foot firmly planted up their asses. We have to organize, organize, organize, and then organize somemore. One thing I would like to do is take a page from gay politics, where gays have organized into gay democratic clubs. A friend of mine just got elected to the state legislature with the support of a local gay democratic club. He got gay baited by a rival, and it blew up in his opponent's face and sank his campaign. I want to organize a Bob Marshall Democratic Club in the area, leave behind the non-profit castration syndrome, and get into the bare knuckles of it. In politics you are either a participant or a victim. Environmentalists need to lose their political chastity and become players. </p><p>
randino

<p>Randy Cunningham</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by KathyF</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:57:11 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>This is why</strong></p><p>I strongly feel the issue of global warming should be taken out of the hands of politicians. </p><p>
Did you read Monbiot's book Heat? I thought it should be subtitled "Why Al Gore Will Never Be Elected President". His solutions are just too unpalatable for most people. A platform of cutting 90% of jet flights, for instance, won't get you elected. Except maybe in Africa, where most people would rather eat than fly.</p>
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				<p><strong>This is why</strong></p><p>I strongly feel the issue of global warming should be taken out of the hands of politicians. </p><p>
Did you read Monbiot's book Heat? I thought it should be subtitled "Why Al Gore Will Never Be Elected President". His solutions are just too unpalatable for most people. A platform of cutting 90% of jet flights, for instance, won't get you elected. Except maybe in Africa, where most people would rather eat than fly.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by JMG</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 22:40:55 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Best idea in a while--attack loans for coal plants<p>Green Group Asks Banks not to Fund TXU Coal Plants <br>
<a href="http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/39502/story.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/39502/...<br>
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NEW YORK - An environmental group Thursday called on banks worldwide not to finance TXU Corp.'s project to build 11 new coal-fired plants in Texas. <p>
It is the latest in a string of challenges to TXU expansion plans by environmental, community and business groups concerned that the pulverized coal plants will dirty Texas' air and spew greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. <p>
The Rainforest Action Network (RAN) said it sent letters asking 54 financial institutions not to participate in lending TXU US$11 billion to fund construction of the plants. <p>
According to RAN, the plants will produce 78 million tons of new carbon dioxide emissions per year, greater than the greenhouse-gas emissions of 21 US states or the entire emissions reduction commitment of Japan under the Kyoto Protocol. <p>
Scientists believe that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases cause global warming. <p>
"The world's financial institutions can prevent this project from ever leaving the ground by simply declining to be a part of it," RAN said in a statement. <p>
But TXU defended its program, arguing that Texas needs new power plants to meet rising electricity demand and that the new plants will be built with the latest environmental controls. <p>
TXU said in June it had secured a commitment for US$11 billion of bank loans to fund the construction of the plants, with Citigroup Inc., Morgan Stanley and Merrill Lynch &amp; Co. the three lead arrangers for the funding. <p>
Some loan commitments allow banks to provide financing only if they can find other banks and institutions to share the risk of the loans, while others require the banks to shoulder the load themselves if they cannot find partners. <p>
It was not immediately clear under what terms the banks have agreed to provide financing to TXU. <p>
Citigroup and Merrill Lynch declined to comment. Morgan Stanley also had no comment on the TXU financing, but a spokesman said the bank was currently revising its environmental policy. <p>
"We take this issue very seriously," he said. </p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></br></br></a></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Best idea in a while--attack loans for coal plants<p>Green Group Asks Banks not to Fund TXU Coal Plants <br>
<a href="http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/39502/story.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/39502/...<br>
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NEW YORK - An environmental group Thursday called on banks worldwide not to finance TXU Corp.'s project to build 11 new coal-fired plants in Texas. <p>
It is the latest in a string of challenges to TXU expansion plans by environmental, community and business groups concerned that the pulverized coal plants will dirty Texas' air and spew greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. <p>
The Rainforest Action Network (RAN) said it sent letters asking 54 financial institutions not to participate in lending TXU US$11 billion to fund construction of the plants. <p>
According to RAN, the plants will produce 78 million tons of new carbon dioxide emissions per year, greater than the greenhouse-gas emissions of 21 US states or the entire emissions reduction commitment of Japan under the Kyoto Protocol. <p>
Scientists believe that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases cause global warming. <p>
"The world's financial institutions can prevent this project from ever leaving the ground by simply declining to be a part of it," RAN said in a statement. <p>
But TXU defended its program, arguing that Texas needs new power plants to meet rising electricity demand and that the new plants will be built with the latest environmental controls. <p>
TXU said in June it had secured a commitment for US$11 billion of bank loans to fund the construction of the plants, with Citigroup Inc., Morgan Stanley and Merrill Lynch &amp; Co. the three lead arrangers for the funding. <p>
Some loan commitments allow banks to provide financing only if they can find other banks and institutions to share the risk of the loans, while others require the banks to shoulder the load themselves if they cannot find partners. <p>
It was not immediately clear under what terms the banks have agreed to provide financing to TXU. <p>
Citigroup and Merrill Lynch declined to comment. Morgan Stanley also had no comment on the TXU financing, but a spokesman said the bank was currently revising its environmental policy. <p>
"We take this issue very seriously," he said. </p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></br></br></a></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Tod</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 03:03:58 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Amen Randy + But Kathy!</strong></p><p>Randy - you're dead on.</p><p>
Kathy - Al Gore will never get elected? He DID get elected as VP, remember (and perhaps as Pres). Did he enact any of his "radical" thinking? Rather, did he even really try? Did he take his case directly to the people? Apologists too often say "the VP has no real power". Tell that to Cheney. What's more, Gore could have, had he found it more important to 'save the planet' than advance his policial career - called a press conference at any time to decry both parties' lack of action on the most significant task that faces humanity. Sure, it may have been political suicide - but it would have been the right thing to do. Leaders do what is right, not what is good for them as an individual. Gore is not the leader you are looking for. 

<p>"Because the world doesn't matter if you don't have the strength to go ahead and choose something that's really true." - Julio Cortazar, Hopscotch</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Amen Randy + But Kathy!</strong></p><p>Randy - you're dead on.</p><p>
Kathy - Al Gore will never get elected? He DID get elected as VP, remember (and perhaps as Pres). Did he enact any of his "radical" thinking? Rather, did he even really try? Did he take his case directly to the people? Apologists too often say "the VP has no real power". Tell that to Cheney. What's more, Gore could have, had he found it more important to 'save the planet' than advance his policial career - called a press conference at any time to decry both parties' lack of action on the most significant task that faces humanity. Sure, it may have been political suicide - but it would have been the right thing to do. Leaders do what is right, not what is good for them as an individual. Gore is not the leader you are looking for. 

<p>"Because the world doesn't matter if you don't have the strength to go ahead and choose something that's really true." - Julio Cortazar, Hopscotch</p></p>
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