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            <title>Comment #1 by Tasermons Partner</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:51:06 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The reududs will oppose it...</strong></p><p>...'cause it doesn't include drilling off all the coasts, repeals tax cuts to industries, and doesn't include shale oil.</p><p>
They'll fight it with their own proposal, the Dems will hold out until the elections are passed,</p><p>
and with any luck, the Dems will gain enough seats so that the next time this comes up, they can just dump the drilling provisions altogether, and focus on the other stuff.</p>
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				<p><strong>The reududs will oppose it...</strong></p><p>...'cause it doesn't include drilling off all the coasts, repeals tax cuts to industries, and doesn't include shale oil.</p><p>
They'll fight it with their own proposal, the Dems will hold out until the elections are passed,</p><p>
and with any luck, the Dems will gain enough seats so that the next time this comes up, they can just dump the drilling provisions altogether, and focus on the other stuff.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by human power</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:49:44 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Extinction, here we come</strong></p><p>I know that it is not possible to win an election in America by telling the truth about the end of the fossil-fool free ride, but this is ridiculous. We need to cut our emissions by 90% in the next 15-20 years and these baby steps are what we get from our leaders? <br>
I need to find a yoga class so I can get flexible enough to kiss my ass good-bye.</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Extinction, here we come</strong></p><p>I know that it is not possible to win an election in America by telling the truth about the end of the fossil-fool free ride, but this is ridiculous. We need to cut our emissions by 90% in the next 15-20 years and these baby steps are what we get from our leaders? <br>
I need to find a yoga class so I can get flexible enough to kiss my ass good-bye.</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by stopgreenpath</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:48:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>thanks for nothing</strong></p><p>snore.</p><p>
what kind of "vision" is this? &nbsp;</p><p>
long-term, phased in minor efficiency improvements only for new buildings? &nbsp;gee, that ought to do... &nbsp;nothing. &nbsp;where are the funds and codes for RETROFITTING existing infrastructure - the infrastructure that CURRENTLY EMITS THAT 48% OF GHGS? &nbsp;oh, right, we can all get more loans and retrofit on our residential and commercial properties that are dropping 20%/year in value? &nbsp;gee, everyone will run out and to that!</p><p>
and thanks for the super-expensive boost to natural gas vehicles instead of focusing MUCH more on electric cars and point of use solar generation to charge them. &nbsp;t. boone also thanks you. &nbsp;but you already knew that! &nbsp;meanwhile, we are stuck with a cap of $4,000 for residential solar credits and Big Energy gets an unlimited 30%. &nbsp;that's genius, because we can obviously afford $30,000 for solar and Big Energy can't.</p><p>
and thanks for ignoring the PROVEN SUCCESS of the national feed-in tariffs in 40 countries, instead handing over ratepayer and taxpayer land and cash to Big Energy Monopolists to destroy millions of acres of our wilderness for industrial, toxic, water-sucking (gas fired) "solar" plants, deadly, inefficient wind plants and massive, wasteful powerlines. &nbsp;no doubt the utilities will NOT count power WE produce against that pathetic 15% RPS, either, so they have an excuse to kill our national wilderness. &nbsp;that's what's happening in CA, the "progressive" state, after all...</p><p>
yeah, just give them everything we got. i mean, with friends like Big Renewables, who needs global warming? &nbsp;we can just DIRECTLY kill well over 50 acres for every MW of erratic wind power produced, no need to wait for a slow, agonizing climate change death! &nbsp;while also denying all of us residents the benefits of our open spaces and our tax and ratepayer dollars to secure TRUE energy independence at point of use.</p><p>
let's see, Google has a 1.6 MW ROOFTOP system at their HQ that kills NO ecosystems, requires NO new transmission and kills NO animals. &nbsp;the equivalent in giant industrial wind (killing birds, bats and all ground species) would permanently destroy about 100 acres (including the roads, transmission lines and transmission losses). &nbsp;1 roof or 100 acres? &nbsp;hmmmm. &nbsp;yep, let's give the 100 acres guys the money, because they are Big Energy. &nbsp;Can't have property owners gettin' all independent!</p><p>
and it ain't just the MMS that is corrupt at the DOI. &nbsp;there are dozens of stories of corruption every year. &nbsp;because it's run by political appointees with a mandate to raid the national coffers for privatized profits for admin cronies, just like every other department in this administration. &nbsp;it's the sex that bugs them, not the fact that they were cheating us to help Big Oil...</p><p>
this is not a "compromise." &nbsp;it's a stinker. &nbsp;a total Big Energy giveaway that will do nothing to help the taxpayers, ratepayers or the planet and will do a LOT to destroy all 3. &nbsp;where is dennis kucinich when we need him?<br>


<p>the greenest energy is that which you needn't ever produce.</p></br></p>
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				<p><strong>thanks for nothing</strong></p><p>snore.</p><p>
what kind of "vision" is this? &nbsp;</p><p>
long-term, phased in minor efficiency improvements only for new buildings? &nbsp;gee, that ought to do... &nbsp;nothing. &nbsp;where are the funds and codes for RETROFITTING existing infrastructure - the infrastructure that CURRENTLY EMITS THAT 48% OF GHGS? &nbsp;oh, right, we can all get more loans and retrofit on our residential and commercial properties that are dropping 20%/year in value? &nbsp;gee, everyone will run out and to that!</p><p>
and thanks for the super-expensive boost to natural gas vehicles instead of focusing MUCH more on electric cars and point of use solar generation to charge them. &nbsp;t. boone also thanks you. &nbsp;but you already knew that! &nbsp;meanwhile, we are stuck with a cap of $4,000 for residential solar credits and Big Energy gets an unlimited 30%. &nbsp;that's genius, because we can obviously afford $30,000 for solar and Big Energy can't.</p><p>
and thanks for ignoring the PROVEN SUCCESS of the national feed-in tariffs in 40 countries, instead handing over ratepayer and taxpayer land and cash to Big Energy Monopolists to destroy millions of acres of our wilderness for industrial, toxic, water-sucking (gas fired) "solar" plants, deadly, inefficient wind plants and massive, wasteful powerlines. &nbsp;no doubt the utilities will NOT count power WE produce against that pathetic 15% RPS, either, so they have an excuse to kill our national wilderness. &nbsp;that's what's happening in CA, the "progressive" state, after all...</p><p>
yeah, just give them everything we got. i mean, with friends like Big Renewables, who needs global warming? &nbsp;we can just DIRECTLY kill well over 50 acres for every MW of erratic wind power produced, no need to wait for a slow, agonizing climate change death! &nbsp;while also denying all of us residents the benefits of our open spaces and our tax and ratepayer dollars to secure TRUE energy independence at point of use.</p><p>
let's see, Google has a 1.6 MW ROOFTOP system at their HQ that kills NO ecosystems, requires NO new transmission and kills NO animals. &nbsp;the equivalent in giant industrial wind (killing birds, bats and all ground species) would permanently destroy about 100 acres (including the roads, transmission lines and transmission losses). &nbsp;1 roof or 100 acres? &nbsp;hmmmm. &nbsp;yep, let's give the 100 acres guys the money, because they are Big Energy. &nbsp;Can't have property owners gettin' all independent!</p><p>
and it ain't just the MMS that is corrupt at the DOI. &nbsp;there are dozens of stories of corruption every year. &nbsp;because it's run by political appointees with a mandate to raid the national coffers for privatized profits for admin cronies, just like every other department in this administration. &nbsp;it's the sex that bugs them, not the fact that they were cheating us to help Big Oil...</p><p>
this is not a "compromise." &nbsp;it's a stinker. &nbsp;a total Big Energy giveaway that will do nothing to help the taxpayers, ratepayers or the planet and will do a LOT to destroy all 3. &nbsp;where is dennis kucinich when we need him?<br>


<p>the greenest energy is that which you needn't ever produce.</p></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by Wolverine</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:28:25 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Democrats Are No Answer<p>Human Power and SGP are quite correct. &nbsp;We will never get anything adequate from Democrats, because they just represent the liberal faction of corporate America. &nbsp;This is why I've been voting Green for a long time and refuse to vote lesser-of-evil Democratic, regardless of how bad a Republican candidate is.<p>
Nancy Pelosi is nothing but a political hack and I'm working for her opponent, <a href="http://www.cindyforcongress.org/" rel="nofollow">Cindy Sheehan, in the upcoming election. &nbsp;I'm embarrassed that Pelosi, who opposes impeachment of the criminals Bush and Cheney and continues to fund the immoral and illegal war in Iraq, supposedly represents me in Congress and this time I'm actively working to defeat her.</a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Democrats Are No Answer<p>Human Power and SGP are quite correct. &nbsp;We will never get anything adequate from Democrats, because they just represent the liberal faction of corporate America. &nbsp;This is why I've been voting Green for a long time and refuse to vote lesser-of-evil Democratic, regardless of how bad a Republican candidate is.<p>
Nancy Pelosi is nothing but a political hack and I'm working for her opponent, <a href="http://www.cindyforcongress.org/" rel="nofollow">Cindy Sheehan, in the upcoming election. &nbsp;I'm embarrassed that Pelosi, who opposes impeachment of the criminals Bush and Cheney and continues to fund the immoral and illegal war in Iraq, supposedly represents me in Congress and this time I'm actively working to defeat her.</a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by DuZCe</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:25:24 -0800</pubDate>
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