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            <title>Comment #1 by LegumeSam</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:40:03 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I've reviewed Barnes' book:<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/17/182729/73/1021/411899" rel="nofollow">here...

<p>http://www.dailykos.com/User/Cassiodorus</p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>I've reviewed Barnes' book:<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/17/182729/73/1021/411899" rel="nofollow">here...

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            <title>Comment #2 by stevenearlsalmony</title>
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				<p><strong>A Trust for Earth's atmosphere and  ...........</strong></p><p>....... for Earth's body.</p><p>
Please know that I would like to be mistaken in suggesting that humanity may not have 20 to 25 years to figure things out with regard to what human being are perniciously doing to the Earth in our time, and to begin to move with all deliberate speed from soon to be seen as patently unsustainable ways of living in this world to alternate lifestyles that put the human community on a road toward sustainability. &nbsp;</p><p>
At least to me, time is of the essence; it is in short supply; and there is no time whatever to waste. &nbsp;I expect that people here in this small community are going to play a large part in developing strategies and implementing able responses to the global challenges posed to humanity by human over-consumption, overproduction and overpopulation activities, inasmuch as these activities, when taken together, appear to be approaching a leviathan-like scale of unsustainability on a planet of the size and with the make-up of Earth.</p><p>
Young people ask every day, "What needs to be done now?" &nbsp;</p><p>
At least one of the correct responses to the children's good question could be astonishingly simple, so incredibly obvious and yet so difficult to so much as even acknowledge because too many wealthy people, their bought-and-paid-for politicians and their talking heads in the mass media willfully ignore it. &nbsp;For all of the super-rich and their minions, silence is golden.</p><p>
All of the trillions of dollars of wealth, that are concentrated in the hands of a tiny minority of people within the family of humanity, have been derived from taking something of value from the Earth and doing something productive with it. For a long time, taking from the Earth in this way did not pose a clear and present danger to biodiversity, the environment, the integrity of Earth and, perhaps, humanity. For a moment, consider that the trillions of dollars comprising the global economy is wealth which has been "transferred" from Earth's body into the bank accounts of people we call "haves." &nbsp;Millions of "haves" hold almost all of the money. One problem with this distribution of Earth's resources, however, is that billions of less fortunate "have-nots" in the the human community are hungry and destitute. &nbsp;Even though the "have-nots" have ecological footprints, we know the impact of the "have-nots" on the Earth is a small one. &nbsp;On the other hand, the millions of "haves" who possess the lion's share of world's wealth have huge ecological footprints because they have extracted a great deal from the Earth and also have conspicuously consumed Earth's resources to the point of appearing obscene in our time.</p><p>
The task at hand is evident. The "haves" who have almost all of the world's wealth, almost all of which has been accumulated at the expense of the Earth, need to return to the Earth a portion of that which they have commandeered from it. &nbsp;The wealthy and powerful among us are asked to help humanity transition from a perverse dedication to the endless accumulation of wealth and power that is effectively dissipating Earth's resources, degrading Earth's frangible ecosystems and recklessly consuming Earth's body, to a more fair and equitable sharing of wealth with the "have-nots" as well as to a willing commitment to protect of Earth's biodiversity, promote renewal of Earth's resources, and do whatsoever is required of us to save the Earth as a fit place for human habitation by our children and coming generations.</p><p>
As has been noted in the Stern Report, the IPCC Report, and in many other reports, those who hold almost all the wealth are called upon to make effective reparations to a ravaged Earth from which almost all that they possess has been derived.</p><p>
Sincerely,</p><p>
Steve<br>
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				<p><strong>A Trust for Earth's atmosphere and  ...........</strong></p><p>....... for Earth's body.</p><p>
Please know that I would like to be mistaken in suggesting that humanity may not have 20 to 25 years to figure things out with regard to what human being are perniciously doing to the Earth in our time, and to begin to move with all deliberate speed from soon to be seen as patently unsustainable ways of living in this world to alternate lifestyles that put the human community on a road toward sustainability. &nbsp;</p><p>
At least to me, time is of the essence; it is in short supply; and there is no time whatever to waste. &nbsp;I expect that people here in this small community are going to play a large part in developing strategies and implementing able responses to the global challenges posed to humanity by human over-consumption, overproduction and overpopulation activities, inasmuch as these activities, when taken together, appear to be approaching a leviathan-like scale of unsustainability on a planet of the size and with the make-up of Earth.</p><p>
Young people ask every day, "What needs to be done now?" &nbsp;</p><p>
At least one of the correct responses to the children's good question could be astonishingly simple, so incredibly obvious and yet so difficult to so much as even acknowledge because too many wealthy people, their bought-and-paid-for politicians and their talking heads in the mass media willfully ignore it. &nbsp;For all of the super-rich and their minions, silence is golden.</p><p>
All of the trillions of dollars of wealth, that are concentrated in the hands of a tiny minority of people within the family of humanity, have been derived from taking something of value from the Earth and doing something productive with it. For a long time, taking from the Earth in this way did not pose a clear and present danger to biodiversity, the environment, the integrity of Earth and, perhaps, humanity. For a moment, consider that the trillions of dollars comprising the global economy is wealth which has been "transferred" from Earth's body into the bank accounts of people we call "haves." &nbsp;Millions of "haves" hold almost all of the money. One problem with this distribution of Earth's resources, however, is that billions of less fortunate "have-nots" in the the human community are hungry and destitute. &nbsp;Even though the "have-nots" have ecological footprints, we know the impact of the "have-nots" on the Earth is a small one. &nbsp;On the other hand, the millions of "haves" who possess the lion's share of world's wealth have huge ecological footprints because they have extracted a great deal from the Earth and also have conspicuously consumed Earth's resources to the point of appearing obscene in our time.</p><p>
The task at hand is evident. The "haves" who have almost all of the world's wealth, almost all of which has been accumulated at the expense of the Earth, need to return to the Earth a portion of that which they have commandeered from it. &nbsp;The wealthy and powerful among us are asked to help humanity transition from a perverse dedication to the endless accumulation of wealth and power that is effectively dissipating Earth's resources, degrading Earth's frangible ecosystems and recklessly consuming Earth's body, to a more fair and equitable sharing of wealth with the "have-nots" as well as to a willing commitment to protect of Earth's biodiversity, promote renewal of Earth's resources, and do whatsoever is required of us to save the Earth as a fit place for human habitation by our children and coming generations.</p><p>
As has been noted in the Stern Report, the IPCC Report, and in many other reports, those who hold almost all the wealth are called upon to make effective reparations to a ravaged Earth from which almost all that they possess has been derived.</p><p>
Sincerely,</p><p>
Steve<br>
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            <title>Comment #3 by gmobus</title>
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				<p><strong>Rate of change<p>The challenge is great. The time is short. Look at the graph.<p>
By the time all of the parties who need to agree to this proposal did so, where would we be on that timeline? If we wait too long to implement, and if the effects take too long to be felt in actual reductions, and if the technological changes needed to permit economic activity (and development) to continue unabated do not come to fruition... how successful will this be?<p>
I sincerely applaud the intellectual effort that went into this proposal. I marvel at the ingenuity and I deeply respect the contributers. I am a huge admirer of Dr. Costanza (whose name was mentioned on NPR's Market Place last night!)<p>
But I think this is yet another attempt to do things in an orderly, essentially traditional way. The problems we are facing - overpopulation, peak energy production, and climate change due to global warming - &nbsp;are all interrelated in complex ways. And they are all driven by the complexities of individual and group psychological processes better suited to the Pleistocene. The solutions, if any exist, will not be gotten from traditional approaches. It will take a massive revolution of social organization thinking bolstered by a concerted systems science approach to the technical issues to even begin to address these issues.<p>
The world, one hundred years from now, will be a very different place. Either humanity will have reorganized itself and its general thinking to recognize a steady-state system with balanced energy flows and material cycles, or it will be back in the Pleistocene again (if at all). It's a hard call.<p>
Is there enough wisdom among enough individuals to &nbsp;lead such a revolution and a reorganization? I suppose time will tell.<p>
I like to explore these kinds of out-of-the-box questions at:<br>
<a href="http://www.questioneverything.typepad.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.questioneverything.typepad.com/<br>


<p>George Mobus, 
Associate Professor, Institute of Technology,
University of Washington Tacoma,
and Professional Student for Life</p></br></a></br></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Rate of change<p>The challenge is great. The time is short. Look at the graph.<p>
By the time all of the parties who need to agree to this proposal did so, where would we be on that timeline? If we wait too long to implement, and if the effects take too long to be felt in actual reductions, and if the technological changes needed to permit economic activity (and development) to continue unabated do not come to fruition... how successful will this be?<p>
I sincerely applaud the intellectual effort that went into this proposal. I marvel at the ingenuity and I deeply respect the contributers. I am a huge admirer of Dr. Costanza (whose name was mentioned on NPR's Market Place last night!)<p>
But I think this is yet another attempt to do things in an orderly, essentially traditional way. The problems we are facing - overpopulation, peak energy production, and climate change due to global warming - &nbsp;are all interrelated in complex ways. And they are all driven by the complexities of individual and group psychological processes better suited to the Pleistocene. The solutions, if any exist, will not be gotten from traditional approaches. It will take a massive revolution of social organization thinking bolstered by a concerted systems science approach to the technical issues to even begin to address these issues.<p>
The world, one hundred years from now, will be a very different place. Either humanity will have reorganized itself and its general thinking to recognize a steady-state system with balanced energy flows and material cycles, or it will be back in the Pleistocene again (if at all). It's a hard call.<p>
Is there enough wisdom among enough individuals to &nbsp;lead such a revolution and a reorganization? I suppose time will tell.<p>
I like to explore these kinds of out-of-the-box questions at:<br>
<a href="http://www.questioneverything.typepad.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.questioneverything.typepad.com/<br>


<p>George Mobus, 
Associate Professor, Institute of Technology,
University of Washington Tacoma,
and Professional Student for Life</p></br></a></br></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by infp</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 02:45:05 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Iowa on my mind</strong></p><p>This sounds like a very reasonable and important plan. I can imagine Edwards endorsing it, Obama considering it, Hillary ignoring it and the Republicans denouncing it. &nbsp;</p>
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				<p><strong>Iowa on my mind</strong></p><p>This sounds like a very reasonable and important plan. I can imagine Edwards endorsing it, Obama considering it, Hillary ignoring it and the Republicans denouncing it. &nbsp;</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Pangolin</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 03:46:16 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Selling the sky to the rich.<p>One thing that you could be absolutely sure on with a global cap-and-trade system is that you the consumer of clean air will pay and somebody else will profit.<p>
When proven methods of reducing emissions through retail energy efficiency programs exist and sit on the shelf unused while all politicians with any power blather about "clean coal" you can bet that this won't help you. <p>
The problem the wealthy have is how do you replace centralized coal and oil power systems with centralized solar and wind power systems. It's a tricky problem as the sun shines everywhere. Geothermal power exists in a real form under every house in the world but you can hardly get politicians to utter the word. Why? <p>
The solutions that will be proposed by the powers that be will always involve centralized control over power sources and continued retail waste of resources. Your leaky house and SUV are their guarantees of a profit margin. If it should somehow happen that you could efficiently manage your thermal regulation cheaply and charge your plug-in hybrid at home from your solar panels of combined-heat-and-power unit they are lost. <p>
What we learned in California and what is very clear in Western Europe (thanks Putin) is that having your power supply in the hands of capitalists is akin to giving the car keys to your three year old. The kids are going to hide the keys until we give them the cookie jar.<p>
Putting the entire sky in the hands of crony capitalists is going to create the biggest bribe market ever and YOU won't have the price of admission. Just as you can't get close to those G-8 or GATT meeting that have to be held behind armies of storm troopers those same armies of storm troopers will be put to use preventing you from affecting the outcome of climate change meetings. <p>
It's a plan to sell the sky to the rich and YOU are not welcome to comment.

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Selling the sky to the rich.<p>One thing that you could be absolutely sure on with a global cap-and-trade system is that you the consumer of clean air will pay and somebody else will profit.<p>
When proven methods of reducing emissions through retail energy efficiency programs exist and sit on the shelf unused while all politicians with any power blather about "clean coal" you can bet that this won't help you. <p>
The problem the wealthy have is how do you replace centralized coal and oil power systems with centralized solar and wind power systems. It's a tricky problem as the sun shines everywhere. Geothermal power exists in a real form under every house in the world but you can hardly get politicians to utter the word. Why? <p>
The solutions that will be proposed by the powers that be will always involve centralized control over power sources and continued retail waste of resources. Your leaky house and SUV are their guarantees of a profit margin. If it should somehow happen that you could efficiently manage your thermal regulation cheaply and charge your plug-in hybrid at home from your solar panels of combined-heat-and-power unit they are lost. <p>
What we learned in California and what is very clear in Western Europe (thanks Putin) is that having your power supply in the hands of capitalists is akin to giving the car keys to your three year old. The kids are going to hide the keys until we give them the cookie jar.<p>
Putting the entire sky in the hands of crony capitalists is going to create the biggest bribe market ever and YOU won't have the price of admission. Just as you can't get close to those G-8 or GATT meeting that have to be held behind armies of storm troopers those same armies of storm troopers will be put to use preventing you from affecting the outcome of climate change meetings. <p>
It's a plan to sell the sky to the rich and YOU are not welcome to comment.

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by GreyFlcn</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:13:53 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I can bet</strong></p><p>Return a fraction of the revenues derived from auctioning permits to all people on Earth in the form of an annual per capita payment.</p><p>
I can bet this will be the controversial point for a lot of people.</p><p>
Might have been better of leaving it for disaster relief, or further greenhouse abatement.<br>
_</p><p>
Also does this system include banking permits inbetween years?</br></p>
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				<p><strong>I can bet</strong></p><p>Return a fraction of the revenues derived from auctioning permits to all people on Earth in the form of an annual per capita payment.</p><p>
I can bet this will be the controversial point for a lot of people.</p><p>
Might have been better of leaving it for disaster relief, or further greenhouse abatement.<br>
_</p><p>
Also does this system include banking permits inbetween years?</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:11:39 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Don't Worry About the Government<p><br>
I noticed this while checking out the polls for tonight at <a href="http://pollingreport.com/" rel="nofollow">http://pollingreport.com/<p>
It's a poll for how Americans feel about various institutions like the CIA, the Supreme Court...<p>
<a href="http://pollingreport.com/institut.htm#Federal" rel="nofollow">http://pollingreport.com/institut.htm#Federal<p>
Note the EPA comes in at a very nice 63 percent favorable rating.<p>
It may give hope to ecologists that citizens who are often thought not to care about the enviroment, actually appreciate the work you do.<br>


<p><b><a href="http://log.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">My Log</a></b></p></br></p></p></a></p></p></a></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Don't Worry About the Government<p><br>
I noticed this while checking out the polls for tonight at <a href="http://pollingreport.com/" rel="nofollow">http://pollingreport.com/<p>
It's a poll for how Americans feel about various institutions like the CIA, the Supreme Court...<p>
<a href="http://pollingreport.com/institut.htm#Federal" rel="nofollow">http://pollingreport.com/institut.htm#Federal<p>
Note the EPA comes in at a very nice 63 percent favorable rating.<p>
It may give hope to ecologists that citizens who are often thought not to care about the enviroment, actually appreciate the work you do.<br>


<p><b><a href="http://log.texeme.com" rel="nofollow">My Log</a></b></p></br></p></p></a></p></p></a></br></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #8 by bookerly</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:27:02 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Who Will Govern?</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Who will select the people who run the Trust and how will it be done?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;The proposal suggests "2. Appoint trustees based on their understanding of the purposes and details of the Trust and dedication to the goals of the Trust, not their political affiliations, geographic origins, or other criteria."</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Who appoints them? &nbsp;Who decides who is qualified? &nbsp;How many? &nbsp;How will they make decisions? &nbsp;What is the arbitration process for violations and/or disagreements?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;This sounds a bit too much like the old Deux Ex Machina, the trumpets sound, wise women (men) descend, we turn the power and problem over to them, they save the world, we pay a little money and go back to sleep.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Folks, we can't even agree on a treaty (such as Kyoto), how are we ever going to agree on a group of people to run such a trust?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Sounds pretty, won't hunt.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Who will the governments of the world trust to run such a process in a fair and equitable way?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;(And the US, which barely supports the UN, do you think it is likely to agree, the gun nuts will flood the streets looking for black helicopters).</p><p>
patrick in Beijing</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Who Will Govern?</strong></p><p><br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;Who will select the people who run the Trust and how will it be done?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;The proposal suggests "2. Appoint trustees based on their understanding of the purposes and details of the Trust and dedication to the goals of the Trust, not their political affiliations, geographic origins, or other criteria."</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Who appoints them? &nbsp;Who decides who is qualified? &nbsp;How many? &nbsp;How will they make decisions? &nbsp;What is the arbitration process for violations and/or disagreements?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;This sounds a bit too much like the old Deux Ex Machina, the trumpets sound, wise women (men) descend, we turn the power and problem over to them, they save the world, we pay a little money and go back to sleep.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Folks, we can't even agree on a treaty (such as Kyoto), how are we ever going to agree on a group of people to run such a trust?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Sounds pretty, won't hunt.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Who will the governments of the world trust to run such a process in a fair and equitable way?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;(And the US, which barely supports the UN, do you think it is likely to agree, the gun nuts will flood the streets looking for black helicopters).</p><p>
patrick in Beijing</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by Colin Wright</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:12:15 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Buy the sky and sell the sky and lift your arms...</strong></p><p>While I'm sympathetic to trying to alleviate poverty while solving global warming, I'll echo some of the commenters above that this plan is not entirely inspiring.</p><p>
Maybe it's the attempt to commodify nature (as the REM lyrics alludes to). Or the falling back to a "Plato's Republic" style of overbearing, and paternalistic "managerialism".</p><p>
I suspect the real solutions to global warming will be much muckier and fought-out (and probably enforced by trade sanctions). But that could be a good thing. Because it could portend a deepening trend of democritization, as ordinary people take ownership of the problem. </p><p>
I don't see how we can solve the myriad ecological problems we face with the current system of corporatism (and the greed, insecurity and consumerism it fosters). We need to find ways to inspire people that the Earth is worth saving. And tap all that unused creativity. IMHO, of course.</p><p>
The Sky Trust reminds me too much of BF Skinner's behaviorism (and Pavlov's dogs): people don't respond authentically and fully to a system of rewards and punishments. Psychology has moved on. People are complex social beings who evolved in problem-solving groups. What we need are new ways to put that problem-solving ability to work.</p>
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				<p><strong>Buy the sky and sell the sky and lift your arms...</strong></p><p>While I'm sympathetic to trying to alleviate poverty while solving global warming, I'll echo some of the commenters above that this plan is not entirely inspiring.</p><p>
Maybe it's the attempt to commodify nature (as the REM lyrics alludes to). Or the falling back to a "Plato's Republic" style of overbearing, and paternalistic "managerialism".</p><p>
I suspect the real solutions to global warming will be much muckier and fought-out (and probably enforced by trade sanctions). But that could be a good thing. Because it could portend a deepening trend of democritization, as ordinary people take ownership of the problem. </p><p>
I don't see how we can solve the myriad ecological problems we face with the current system of corporatism (and the greed, insecurity and consumerism it fosters). We need to find ways to inspire people that the Earth is worth saving. And tap all that unused creativity. IMHO, of course.</p><p>
The Sky Trust reminds me too much of BF Skinner's behaviorism (and Pavlov's dogs): people don't respond authentically and fully to a system of rewards and punishments. Psychology has moved on. People are complex social beings who evolved in problem-solving groups. What we need are new ways to put that problem-solving ability to work.</p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by LegumeSam</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 22:22:05 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>I agree with Colin</strong></p><p>Maybe it's the attempt to commodify nature (as the REM lyrics alludes to). Or the falling back to a "Plato's Republic" style of overbearing, and paternalistic "managerialism".</p><p>
I would furthermore argue that the capitalist system is headed toward such "managerialism" anyway, for the sake of saving itself. &nbsp;Thus, for instance, the popular "solution" among the political classes, to the health-care crisis in the US, is to pass laws requiring everyone to carry health insurance, thus criminalizing large segments of the public for their refusal to subsidize HMOs. &nbsp;</p><p>
The system seems to caught between an ever-increasing demand for investment opportunity and an ever-decreasing growth rate; capitalism has dealt with this problem over the past thirty years by becoming more and more "virtual," i.e. more and more businesses lie about what they've got in order to appear solvent. &nbsp;The resultant contradiction appears to be coming to a head, with the derivatives shakeout and the inertia in the housing market.</p><p>
When confronted with ecological crisis and economic crisis, both at the same time, which one do you think the US government will deal with? &nbsp;In the end, then, we can expect government to defend capitalism, not nature.

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				<p><strong>I agree with Colin</strong></p><p>Maybe it's the attempt to commodify nature (as the REM lyrics alludes to). Or the falling back to a "Plato's Republic" style of overbearing, and paternalistic "managerialism".</p><p>
I would furthermore argue that the capitalist system is headed toward such "managerialism" anyway, for the sake of saving itself. &nbsp;Thus, for instance, the popular "solution" among the political classes, to the health-care crisis in the US, is to pass laws requiring everyone to carry health insurance, thus criminalizing large segments of the public for their refusal to subsidize HMOs. &nbsp;</p><p>
The system seems to caught between an ever-increasing demand for investment opportunity and an ever-decreasing growth rate; capitalism has dealt with this problem over the past thirty years by becoming more and more "virtual," i.e. more and more businesses lie about what they've got in order to appear solvent. &nbsp;The resultant contradiction appears to be coming to a head, with the derivatives shakeout and the inertia in the housing market.</p><p>
When confronted with ecological crisis and economic crisis, both at the same time, which one do you think the US government will deal with? &nbsp;In the end, then, we can expect government to defend capitalism, not nature.

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			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 01:08:25 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Protection of the global economy versus...........</strong></p><p>.........preservation of Earth's ecology.</p><p>
Dear Friends,</p><p>
Perhaps we can agree that global challenges, already visible on the far horizon, could soon be posed to humanity. Because economic globalization could be approaching a point in human history when it becomes patently unsustainable on a planet with the relatively small size and make-up of Earth, the current scale and unbridled growth of global consumption/production/propagation activities of the human species could produce a colossal wreckage of either the global economy or Earth's ecology, even in these early years of Century XXI.</p><p>
If leaders are presented with a forced choice between protecting the global economy and preserving Earth's ecology, it seems crystal clear to me that the leadership of the kind we have today will reflexively choose the economy.....first, last and always.</p><p>
What do you think?</p><p>
Sincerely,</p><p>
Steve</p><p>
Steve Salmony<br>
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population, established 2001</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Protection of the global economy versus...........</strong></p><p>.........preservation of Earth's ecology.</p><p>
Dear Friends,</p><p>
Perhaps we can agree that global challenges, already visible on the far horizon, could soon be posed to humanity. Because economic globalization could be approaching a point in human history when it becomes patently unsustainable on a planet with the relatively small size and make-up of Earth, the current scale and unbridled growth of global consumption/production/propagation activities of the human species could produce a colossal wreckage of either the global economy or Earth's ecology, even in these early years of Century XXI.</p><p>
If leaders are presented with a forced choice between protecting the global economy and preserving Earth's ecology, it seems crystal clear to me that the leadership of the kind we have today will reflexively choose the economy.....first, last and always.</p><p>
What do you think?</p><p>
Sincerely,</p><p>
Steve</p><p>
Steve Salmony<br>
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population, established 2001</br></p>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:43:16 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Overshooting Earth's carrying capacity and........<p>..........what is to be done now.<p>
The human species appears to be in an "overshoot" situation relative to Earth's limited capacity to sustain life as we know it much longer. <p>
In the course of history, I cannot find any evidence of a single species other than the human species that has precipitated such multi-faceted leviathan-like circumstances. <p>
Inasmuch as human beings possess the attributes required to have induced the gigantic problem we see looming ominously before humanity in the offing, it seems to me that we also maintain the capabilities to take the measure of the problem, however colossal, and find a solution to it, one that is consonant with universally shared values. <p>
Understanding population mathematics (i.e., the exponential function) and human creatureliness would make a big and helpful difference. Appreciating the limits of linear thinking will be another giant step forward. <p>
Once we share an adequate enough understanding of the global problem of huge proportions, then it will become possible for the family of humanity to carefully and skillfully find a humane path toward a sustainable future, I believe. <p>
Steven Earl Salmony<br>
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population, established 2001<br>
<a href="http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/" rel="nofollow">http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/</a></br></br></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Overshooting Earth's carrying capacity and........<p>..........what is to be done now.<p>
The human species appears to be in an "overshoot" situation relative to Earth's limited capacity to sustain life as we know it much longer. <p>
In the course of history, I cannot find any evidence of a single species other than the human species that has precipitated such multi-faceted leviathan-like circumstances. <p>
Inasmuch as human beings possess the attributes required to have induced the gigantic problem we see looming ominously before humanity in the offing, it seems to me that we also maintain the capabilities to take the measure of the problem, however colossal, and find a solution to it, one that is consonant with universally shared values. <p>
Understanding population mathematics (i.e., the exponential function) and human creatureliness would make a big and helpful difference. Appreciating the limits of linear thinking will be another giant step forward. <p>
Once we share an adequate enough understanding of the global problem of huge proportions, then it will become possible for the family of humanity to carefully and skillfully find a humane path toward a sustainable future, I believe. <p>
Steven Earl Salmony<br>
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population, established 2001<br>
<a href="http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/" rel="nofollow">http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/</a></br></br></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:30:10 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Selfish, paternalistic managerialism and.........</strong></p><p>..........the twilight zone of endless growth.</p><p>
The ruling politicians and economic brokers who maintain control over a lion's share of the world's wealth and military power in our time are in denial of reality. They want what they want and, as they tell us in demonstrable ways, they will have whatsoever they desire, come what may for our children, biodiversity, coming generations, global ecosystems and the integrity of Earth. </p><p>
The leaders in my not-so-great generation apparently wish to live without having to accept limits to growth of seemingly endless economic globalization, increasing per capita consumption of scarce resources and skyrocketing human population numbers worldwide; their desires are evidently insatiable; they choose to believe anything that meet the `standards' for political convenience and economic expediency; and they act accordingly. But, despite all their widely shared and consensually validated specious ideas and soon to be unsustainable production, consumption and propagation activities, Earth exists in space-time, is relatively small and bounded, and has limited resources upon which the survival of life as we know it depends. Whatsoever is is, is it not? </p><p>
What worries me is this: the elder guarantors of a good enough future for the children appear to be leading our kids down a "primrose path" along which the children could unexpectedly be confronted with sudden, potentially colossal threats to human and environmental health, threats that are directly derived from converging human-induced global challenges such as pernicious impacts of global warming and climate change, massive pollution of the air, water and land from microscopic particulates and solid waste, and the reckless dissipation of scarce natural resources. All the while, the leading elders remain willfully and foolishly in denial of the fulminating ecological degradation by declining to acknowledge, much less beginning to address, humanity's emerging, human-driven predicament. &nbsp;One day, perhaps sooner rather than later, our children could have extraordinary difficulties responding ably to that with which they could soon come face to face; that is to say, because their elders have so adamantly refused to so much as openly recognize God's great gift of good science of global warming and climate, our kids will not even know what "hit" them, much less why it is happening.</p>
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				<p><strong>Selfish, paternalistic managerialism and.........</strong></p><p>..........the twilight zone of endless growth.</p><p>
The ruling politicians and economic brokers who maintain control over a lion's share of the world's wealth and military power in our time are in denial of reality. They want what they want and, as they tell us in demonstrable ways, they will have whatsoever they desire, come what may for our children, biodiversity, coming generations, global ecosystems and the integrity of Earth. </p><p>
The leaders in my not-so-great generation apparently wish to live without having to accept limits to growth of seemingly endless economic globalization, increasing per capita consumption of scarce resources and skyrocketing human population numbers worldwide; their desires are evidently insatiable; they choose to believe anything that meet the `standards' for political convenience and economic expediency; and they act accordingly. But, despite all their widely shared and consensually validated specious ideas and soon to be unsustainable production, consumption and propagation activities, Earth exists in space-time, is relatively small and bounded, and has limited resources upon which the survival of life as we know it depends. Whatsoever is is, is it not? </p><p>
What worries me is this: the elder guarantors of a good enough future for the children appear to be leading our kids down a "primrose path" along which the children could unexpectedly be confronted with sudden, potentially colossal threats to human and environmental health, threats that are directly derived from converging human-induced global challenges such as pernicious impacts of global warming and climate change, massive pollution of the air, water and land from microscopic particulates and solid waste, and the reckless dissipation of scarce natural resources. All the while, the leading elders remain willfully and foolishly in denial of the fulminating ecological degradation by declining to acknowledge, much less beginning to address, humanity's emerging, human-driven predicament. &nbsp;One day, perhaps sooner rather than later, our children could have extraordinary difficulties responding ably to that with which they could soon come face to face; that is to say, because their elders have so adamantly refused to so much as openly recognize God's great gift of good science of global warming and climate, our kids will not even know what "hit" them, much less why it is happening.</p>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:05:02 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Every day, at every turn, merrily we go........<p>...... choosing to relentlessly expand patently unsustainable global human over-growth activities, even though these consumption, production and propagation activities could be approaching such a gigantic scale as to precipitate the massive extinction of biodiversity, the irreversible degradation of the environment, the reckless dissipation of natural resources and the destruction of the Earth as a fit place for human habitation.<p>
It appears the predominant world culture and its rampantly expanding global economy is having pernicious, inadvertent impacts on the Earth. Would you agree that if our leaders keep choosing to grow in a business-as-usual manner the global economy as they are doing now, then the future for life as we know it on Earth could be put at risk soon?<p>
The current organization and paternalistic management of the global economy's planful expansion, one that results in the relentless economic globalization we see today, also appears to give rise to something else that is unintended and potentially ruinous.<p>
If you will, please examine how the hoarding of wealth by millions of people leaves billions of people in the family of humanity hungry.<p>
For a fortunate few people with super riches to conspicuously consume resources, while millions of unlucky children go without adequate food to eat, is a structure worthy of modification in a timely fashion. <p>
Inequity is sad enough; grotesque inequity will one day be intolerable, I suppose.<p>
If leaders choose to modify the way the currently unbridled global economy is organzed and operates, and the unfair and inequitable way it distributes Earth's resources, then perhaps we will find reasonable and sensible ways to assure a good enough future for our children.<p>
I am assuming that we can all agree that an endlessly growing economy in a finite world with make-up and size of Earth will eventually, perhaps sooner rather than later, reach a point in history when the leviathan-like scale of the &nbsp;economy produces some kind of unimaginable colossal wreckage. <p>
Steve Salmony<br>
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population<br>
<a href="http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/" rel="nofollow">http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/<br>
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				<p><strong>Every day, at every turn, merrily we go........<p>...... choosing to relentlessly expand patently unsustainable global human over-growth activities, even though these consumption, production and propagation activities could be approaching such a gigantic scale as to precipitate the massive extinction of biodiversity, the irreversible degradation of the environment, the reckless dissipation of natural resources and the destruction of the Earth as a fit place for human habitation.<p>
It appears the predominant world culture and its rampantly expanding global economy is having pernicious, inadvertent impacts on the Earth. Would you agree that if our leaders keep choosing to grow in a business-as-usual manner the global economy as they are doing now, then the future for life as we know it on Earth could be put at risk soon?<p>
The current organization and paternalistic management of the global economy's planful expansion, one that results in the relentless economic globalization we see today, also appears to give rise to something else that is unintended and potentially ruinous.<p>
If you will, please examine how the hoarding of wealth by millions of people leaves billions of people in the family of humanity hungry.<p>
For a fortunate few people with super riches to conspicuously consume resources, while millions of unlucky children go without adequate food to eat, is a structure worthy of modification in a timely fashion. <p>
Inequity is sad enough; grotesque inequity will one day be intolerable, I suppose.<p>
If leaders choose to modify the way the currently unbridled global economy is organzed and operates, and the unfair and inequitable way it distributes Earth's resources, then perhaps we will find reasonable and sensible ways to assure a good enough future for our children.<p>
I am assuming that we can all agree that an endlessly growing economy in a finite world with make-up and size of Earth will eventually, perhaps sooner rather than later, reach a point in history when the leviathan-like scale of the &nbsp;economy produces some kind of unimaginable colossal wreckage. <p>
Steve Salmony<br>
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population<br>
<a href="http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/" rel="nofollow">http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/<br>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:02:25 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The necessity for the creation of a trust.........<p>......for Earth's body and Earth's ecology.<p>
My not-so-great generation of elders appears to be doing a woefully inadequate job of helping our children understand that the current, relentless, business-as-usual effort to grow the global economy without regard to Earth's limitations, given the gigantic scale and anticipated rate of the big-business expansion, could soon become patently unsustainable on a small, finite planet with the size and make-up of Earth. <p>
Hopefully, our children will somehow find the political will and the courage not to follow my generation's example of denying reality, but instead will choose a new path to the future marked by restructuring the global economy and regulating its unchecked growth so that the world economy in their future functions in a sustainable way.<p>
The human community includes more than 6.6 billion people now. By 2050, the UN Population Division projects a world population of over 9 billion people. That is an approximately 40% increase in absolute global human population numbers in the next 42 years. Can we reasonably and sensibly expect that Earth can sustain so many billions of people? What scientific evidence, sound reasoning or common sense explanation can provide a foundation for expanding unbridled economic globalization activities even one more day, for increasing unrestrained per capita consumption of limited resources beyond its present, conspicuously obscene level for one more week, and for condoning the projected addition of 70-80 million members to the human community in this year alone? <p>
Sincerely,<p>
Steve<p>
Steve Salmony<br>
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population, established 2001<br>
<a href="http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/" rel="nofollow">http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/ <br>
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				<p><strong>The necessity for the creation of a trust.........<p>......for Earth's body and Earth's ecology.<p>
My not-so-great generation of elders appears to be doing a woefully inadequate job of helping our children understand that the current, relentless, business-as-usual effort to grow the global economy without regard to Earth's limitations, given the gigantic scale and anticipated rate of the big-business expansion, could soon become patently unsustainable on a small, finite planet with the size and make-up of Earth. <p>
Hopefully, our children will somehow find the political will and the courage not to follow my generation's example of denying reality, but instead will choose a new path to the future marked by restructuring the global economy and regulating its unchecked growth so that the world economy in their future functions in a sustainable way.<p>
The human community includes more than 6.6 billion people now. By 2050, the UN Population Division projects a world population of over 9 billion people. That is an approximately 40% increase in absolute global human population numbers in the next 42 years. Can we reasonably and sensibly expect that Earth can sustain so many billions of people? What scientific evidence, sound reasoning or common sense explanation can provide a foundation for expanding unbridled economic globalization activities even one more day, for increasing unrestrained per capita consumption of limited resources beyond its present, conspicuously obscene level for one more week, and for condoning the projected addition of 70-80 million members to the human community in this year alone? <p>
Sincerely,<p>
Steve<p>
Steve Salmony<br>
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population, established 2001<br>
<a href="http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/" rel="nofollow">http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/ <br>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:16:54 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>If the rich and famous people among us............<p>.........do not start expressing their concern for something other than their riches and privileges soon, then approaching global challenges could serve the purpose of helping them refocus their attention and change their behavior. <p>
There can be no functioning global economy without adequate natural resources and global ecosystem services that only the Earth can provide. To believe that economic globalization can continue to expand much longer, let alone endlessly, in our relatively small, evidently finite and noticeably frangible planetary home is magical thinking of the first order. Such thinking is an embarrassment to anyone who values good science, sound reasoning and common sense.<p>
The failure of the wealthy and politically powerful people in my not-so-great generation of elders to respond ably to the requirements of practical reality will soon be seen by our children as the worst example of a gross dereliction of duty in human history.<p>
Steve Salmony<br>
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population, established 2001<br>
<a href="http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/" rel="nofollow">http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/<br>
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				<p><strong>If the rich and famous people among us............<p>.........do not start expressing their concern for something other than their riches and privileges soon, then approaching global challenges could serve the purpose of helping them refocus their attention and change their behavior. <p>
There can be no functioning global economy without adequate natural resources and global ecosystem services that only the Earth can provide. To believe that economic globalization can continue to expand much longer, let alone endlessly, in our relatively small, evidently finite and noticeably frangible planetary home is magical thinking of the first order. Such thinking is an embarrassment to anyone who values good science, sound reasoning and common sense.<p>
The failure of the wealthy and politically powerful people in my not-so-great generation of elders to respond ably to the requirements of practical reality will soon be seen by our children as the worst example of a gross dereliction of duty in human history.<p>
Steve Salmony<br>
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population, established 2001<br>
<a href="http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/" rel="nofollow">http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/<br>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:41:53 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Beware</strong></p><p>Beware when anything starts with the premise of making "free' markets respond to solve problems. &nbsp;The underlying assumptions wreck the outcome.</p><p>
Follow the theory laden terminmology back up the garden path to the actual start, corporatism, before proceeding down the path to the hedge fund traders new cash flow source.</p><p>
Libertarian, really corporatarian, economics (real voodoo economics) is where the path starts.

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				<p><strong>Beware</strong></p><p>Beware when anything starts with the premise of making "free' markets respond to solve problems. &nbsp;The underlying assumptions wreck the outcome.</p><p>
Follow the theory laden terminmology back up the garden path to the actual start, corporatism, before proceeding down the path to the hedge fund traders new cash flow source.</p><p>
Libertarian, really corporatarian, economics (real voodoo economics) is where the path starts.

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			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:32:25 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Dear Amazingdrx...........<p>...........Perhaps the link below will provide an example of the voodoo economics you are describing.<p>
<a href="http://break.com/index/how-we-got-into-the-subprime-mess.html" rel="nofollow">http://break.com/index/how-we-got-into-the-subprime-mess. ...<p>
Sincerely,<p>
Steve<p>
Steven Earl Salmony<br>
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population, establishe 2001<br>
<a href="http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/" rel="nofollow">http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/</a></br></br></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Dear Amazingdrx...........<p>...........Perhaps the link below will provide an example of the voodoo economics you are describing.<p>
<a href="http://break.com/index/how-we-got-into-the-subprime-mess.html" rel="nofollow">http://break.com/index/how-we-got-into-the-subprime-mess. ...<p>
Sincerely,<p>
Steve<p>
Steven Earl Salmony<br>
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population, establishe 2001<br>
<a href="http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/" rel="nofollow">http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/</a></br></br></p></p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #19 by msandler</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:10:28 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Fixing global warming while sharing the Commons<p><br>
The Earth Atmospheric Trust could work.<br>
I like the name "Sky Trust" too.<br>
A group called FEASTA (<a href="http://www.feasta.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.feasta.org) in Europe is working on a system called "Cap and Share" that would send shares out to people. People cash the shares at banks or post offices, and the upstream fossil fuel companies have to buy the shares.<br>
My website <a href="http://www.carbonshare.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.carbonshare.org describes a similar idea for California.<br>
I think the Share could co-exist with a Dividend. &nbsp;There is a check box on your tax form that asks how would you like your climate entitlement? &nbsp;You can check: dividend, tax cut, or share. &nbsp;You could hold the share and sell it on a private market. &nbsp;Some people think the transaction costs are too high, and we should stick with a single government auction, but I think there may be benefits to allowing more citizen involvement in a carbon market.</br></a></br></a></br></br></br></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Fixing global warming while sharing the Commons<p><br>
The Earth Atmospheric Trust could work.<br>
I like the name "Sky Trust" too.<br>
A group called FEASTA (<a href="http://www.feasta.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.feasta.org) in Europe is working on a system called "Cap and Share" that would send shares out to people. People cash the shares at banks or post offices, and the upstream fossil fuel companies have to buy the shares.<br>
My website <a href="http://www.carbonshare.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.carbonshare.org describes a similar idea for California.<br>
I think the Share could co-exist with a Dividend. &nbsp;There is a check box on your tax form that asks how would you like your climate entitlement? &nbsp;You can check: dividend, tax cut, or share. &nbsp;You could hold the share and sell it on a private market. &nbsp;Some people think the transaction costs are too high, and we should stick with a single government auction, but I think there may be benefits to allowing more citizen involvement in a carbon market.</br></a></br></a></br></br></br></p></strong></p>
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