<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Kansas coal plant air permit denied on basis of CO2]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Biodiversivist http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/ Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:40:32 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/1 Yessss

Now to get the demand for that electricity down before shortages develop--the efficiency part of the equation. One big ticket item would be air conditioning. We need less energy intensive ways to get it. Peak load during day, in summer, hmmm, what kind of peak power generation might be applicable for that?

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

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Now to get the demand for that electricity down before shortages develop--the efficiency part of the equation. One big ticket item would be air conditioning. We need less energy intensive ways to get it. Peak load during day, in summer, hmmm, what kind of peak power generation might be applicable for that?

In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world

]]> Comment #2 by jthurston08 http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/ Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:57:45 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/2 Kansas, not Kentucky

Sunflower wants to build two 700MW coal-fired power plants in Kansas, not Kentucky as stated in the second paragraph.

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Sunflower wants to build two 700MW coal-fired power plants in Kansas, not Kentucky as stated in the second paragraph.

]]> Comment #3 by David Roberts http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/ Fri, 19 Oct 2007 02:12:57 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/3 Oops! Fixed.

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]]> Comment #4 by Delay And Deny http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/ Fri, 19 Oct 2007 02:45:14 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/4 Did We Need It In The First Place?


What has me suspicious about all these coal plant cancellations (see other Grist article) and this is -- well, how can they just cancel these plants?

I mean, if it was so important to have all these coal plants, or any plants, wouldn't we be having all these shortages and brownouts and so on?

Or are we just spending the public's money willy-nilly on unnecessary overcapacity?

In fact, could we do away with some of our base load capacity and reduce CO2 immediately and by far reaching proportions?

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What has me suspicious about all these coal plant cancellations (see other Grist article) and this is -- well, how can they just cancel these plants?

I mean, if it was so important to have all these coal plants, or any plants, wouldn't we be having all these shortages and brownouts and so on?

Or are we just spending the public's money willy-nilly on unnecessary overcapacity?

In fact, could we do away with some of our base load capacity and reduce CO2 immediately and by far reaching proportions?

John Bailo
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]]> Comment #5 by sunflower http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/ Fri, 19 Oct 2007 03:28:31 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/5 Natural gas displacing coal is a wedge with scale

Solar heat displacing natural gas is a wedge.

Not using energy is a wedge.  And so on.

It all seems so simple...

]]> Natural gas displacing coal is a wedge with scale

Solar heat displacing natural gas is a wedge.

Not using energy is a wedge.  And so on.

It all seems so simple...

]]> Comment #6 by carfree http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/ Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:48:25 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/6 This is big news in the finanical press today

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/19/news/companies/coalplant_ ...

Perhaps investors are getting the message that coal is now officially, a crap investment.

]]> This is big news in the finanical press today

http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/19/news/companies/coalplant_ ...

Perhaps investors are getting the message that coal is now officially, a crap investment.

]]> Comment #7 by Ron Steenblik http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/ Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:25:38 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/7 Ethanol was part of their plans as well

According to an article in the San Francisco Sentinel:

Sunflower, which already has a smaller coal-fired plant in Holcomb, has portrayed the proposed plants as part of a "bio-energy center" that would [have] include[d] an ethanol plant and an $86 million facility that would use a still-experimental algae process to capture carbon dioxide emissions from the proposed generating units. But one investor in the center had pulled out before yesterday's decision.

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According to an article in the San Francisco Sentinel:

Sunflower, which already has a smaller coal-fired plant in Holcomb, has portrayed the proposed plants as part of a "bio-energy center" that would [have] include[d] an ethanol plant and an $86 million facility that would use a still-experimental algae process to capture carbon dioxide emissions from the proposed generating units. But one investor in the center had pulled out before yesterday's decision.

]]> Comment #8 by sgreerpitt http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/ Sun, 21 Oct 2007 02:42:01 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/8 Would that it were Kentucky!!

...that turned down a coal fired plant (not that had one planned).  As a Kentuckian living every day in the shadow of a mountain top removal strip mine (with the noise of the machinery grinding in my ears day and night), the decision by Bremby is reason to celebrate. Wish there were more such heros out there.

Even if some day some one were to make electrical generation from coal carbon nuetral for the atmosphere (fat chance!), coal mining would still be environmentally devastating, removing forest cover, destroying ecosystem, and ruining watershed.

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...that turned down a coal fired plant (not that had one planned).  As a Kentuckian living every day in the shadow of a mountain top removal strip mine (with the noise of the machinery grinding in my ears day and night), the decision by Bremby is reason to celebrate. Wish there were more such heros out there.

Even if some day some one were to make electrical generation from coal carbon nuetral for the atmosphere (fat chance!), coal mining would still be environmentally devastating, removing forest cover, destroying ecosystem, and ruining watershed.

]]> Comment #9 by Nucbuddy http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/ Tue, 23 Oct 2007 23:56:14 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/coal-is-the-enemy-of-the-human-race-roderick-bremby-is-a-hero-edition/9 Really conserving energy

Sunflower wrote: Not using energy is a wedge.

The sun continuously leaks energy at a rate of 3.846e26 watts. Would you suggest plugging that leak, to save energy?

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Sunflower wrote: Not using energy is a wedge.

The sun continuously leaks energy at a rate of 3.846e26 watts. Would you suggest plugging that leak, to save energy?

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