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            <title>Comment #1 by stevenearlsalmony</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:13:48 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>A question for Richard Cizik.........<p>Can you explain how so many well-intentioned people are failing so miserably to share a common understanding of what is happening in our planetary home in these early years of Century XXI?<p>
There are moments like this one when it appears to me that we in the family of humanity must be living within some huge manmade construction reminiscent of the ancient Tower of Babel. Whatever the reasons for our spectacular failure to communicate meaningfully and sensibly about what somehow could be real about the workings of the Earth and the placement of the human species within the natural order of living things, these circumstances are incredible and present the human family with a potentially colossal, human-induced threat to life as we know it and the integrity of Earth as a fit place for human habitation. <p>
As an example, let us look at the growth of absolute global human population numbers. In 2008 there are more people literally existing on Earth on resources valued at less than $2 per day than the total human population in the year of my birth. Our population numbers have been skyrocketing in our time and are projected to continue skyrocketing to the middle of this century when our numbers are anticipated to reach 9+/- billion and then somehow, magically I believe, automatically stabilize. The is no unchallenged scientific evidence to indicate how this "demographic transition to population stabilization" can possibly occur. This has not kept many so-called experts from continuing to say that the preternatural 'science' on which they rely is outdated and fatally flawed. A mere 108 years ago, at the beginning of the 20th Century, human numbers worldwide were between 1 and 2 billion. Most people can agree, I believe, on these numbers.<p>
Now let us look at the relatively small, evidently finite, noticeably frangible planet we inhabit. Many experts have asked the question, "How many people can the Earth support?" <p>
No reasonable and sensible person would say that an unlimited number of people can exist in a limited world. That cannot be. It also follows that the size and make-up of Earth naturally limits the growth of human production and per human consumption activities worldwide. The growth of these activities are subject to certain biophysical limitations of Earth. Endless growth cannot occur in a finite world. <p>
What do you expect will happen if human propagation, production and consumption activities continue to grow, given their current scale and expected annual rate of increase? Please know that comments are welcome.<p>
Sincerely,<p>
Steve <p>
Steven Earl Salmony<br>
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population<br>
established 2001<br>
<a href="http://sustainabilitysouhheast.org/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://sustainabilitysouhheast.org/index.php</a></br></br></br></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>A question for Richard Cizik.........<p>Can you explain how so many well-intentioned people are failing so miserably to share a common understanding of what is happening in our planetary home in these early years of Century XXI?<p>
There are moments like this one when it appears to me that we in the family of humanity must be living within some huge manmade construction reminiscent of the ancient Tower of Babel. Whatever the reasons for our spectacular failure to communicate meaningfully and sensibly about what somehow could be real about the workings of the Earth and the placement of the human species within the natural order of living things, these circumstances are incredible and present the human family with a potentially colossal, human-induced threat to life as we know it and the integrity of Earth as a fit place for human habitation. <p>
As an example, let us look at the growth of absolute global human population numbers. In 2008 there are more people literally existing on Earth on resources valued at less than $2 per day than the total human population in the year of my birth. Our population numbers have been skyrocketing in our time and are projected to continue skyrocketing to the middle of this century when our numbers are anticipated to reach 9+/- billion and then somehow, magically I believe, automatically stabilize. The is no unchallenged scientific evidence to indicate how this "demographic transition to population stabilization" can possibly occur. This has not kept many so-called experts from continuing to say that the preternatural 'science' on which they rely is outdated and fatally flawed. A mere 108 years ago, at the beginning of the 20th Century, human numbers worldwide were between 1 and 2 billion. Most people can agree, I believe, on these numbers.<p>
Now let us look at the relatively small, evidently finite, noticeably frangible planet we inhabit. Many experts have asked the question, "How many people can the Earth support?" <p>
No reasonable and sensible person would say that an unlimited number of people can exist in a limited world. That cannot be. It also follows that the size and make-up of Earth naturally limits the growth of human production and per human consumption activities worldwide. The growth of these activities are subject to certain biophysical limitations of Earth. Endless growth cannot occur in a finite world. <p>
What do you expect will happen if human propagation, production and consumption activities continue to grow, given their current scale and expected annual rate of increase? Please know that comments are welcome.<p>
Sincerely,<p>
Steve <p>
Steven Earl Salmony<br>
AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population<br>
established 2001<br>
<a href="http://sustainabilitysouhheast.org/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://sustainabilitysouhheast.org/index.php</a></br></br></br></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by caniscandida</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/climate-gets-religion/</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:06:30 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>pro-life vs. pro-[human]-fetus</strong></p><p>I am very glad that Peter Illyn raised that hideously important issue of hypocrisy, regarding the battle slogan "pro-life."</p><p>
The wildlife pictures are gorgeous. &nbsp;The walrus is especially beautiful, IMHO.</p><p>
For religious people, the politics of these things is of secondary importance. &nbsp;The consciences of believers, churches and pastors matter much much more.</p><p>
Thanks as always to Steven Earl Salmony for his fine comment.

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>pro-life vs. pro-[human]-fetus</strong></p><p>I am very glad that Peter Illyn raised that hideously important issue of hypocrisy, regarding the battle slogan "pro-life."</p><p>
The wildlife pictures are gorgeous. &nbsp;The walrus is especially beautiful, IMHO.</p><p>
For religious people, the politics of these things is of secondary importance. &nbsp;The consciences of believers, churches and pastors matter much much more.</p><p>
Thanks as always to Steven Earl Salmony for his fine comment.

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p>
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