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            <title>Comment #1 by sunflower</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 05:33:20 -0700</pubDate>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Payton Chung</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:17:00 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Protest vote</strong></p><p>I'd hold on to one share, just to be able to cast a protest vote and/or raise a shareholder resolution. Maybe it's the rebel in me or something, but for those corporations or funds I didn't choose for their social responsibility, I always return those proxy envelopes with votes against the slate. Sure, Vanguard and Fidelity and Long-Term Capital Management will outvote me 10 bazillion to three, but what the hey: otherwise, it would have been 10 bazillion to zero, and apparently even the threat of shareholder activism has some corporations busily greenwashing, er, Changing Their Ways.</p><p>
Besides, now's a wonderful time to divest of yer XOM! Capital gains tax rates will never be lower.<br>
.pc</br></p>
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				<p><strong>Protest vote</strong></p><p>I'd hold on to one share, just to be able to cast a protest vote and/or raise a shareholder resolution. Maybe it's the rebel in me or something, but for those corporations or funds I didn't choose for their social responsibility, I always return those proxy envelopes with votes against the slate. Sure, Vanguard and Fidelity and Long-Term Capital Management will outvote me 10 bazillion to three, but what the hey: otherwise, it would have been 10 bazillion to zero, and apparently even the threat of shareholder activism has some corporations busily greenwashing, er, Changing Their Ways.</p><p>
Besides, now's a wonderful time to divest of yer XOM! Capital gains tax rates will never be lower.<br>
.pc</br></p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by storyguild</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 08:47:13 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>DO something positive!</strong></p><p>Selling your Exxon stock will not make any difference in the behavior of the company. &nbsp;It is an empty gesture.</p><p>
Do something positive, realizing that each action you take is not a big contribution toward solving the energy problem, but it is better than nothing, and may be all that you can do now.</p><p>
Buying a hybrid is reasonable.</p><p>
Buying a diesel that can use biodiesel fuel is a possibility.</p><p>
Putting solar panels on your house to augment the electric company will help.</p><p>
Investing in companies that make electricity generating windmills is probably a really good idea -- but in a fund, of course.</p><p>
Writing to your electric company to ask them to made green energy available is OK -- but realize that it may take millions of letters to wake them up -- so, keep trying. &nbsp;</p><p>
Bitching about the bad situation will have no value.</p><p>
Having fewer children is sensible. &nbsp;Supporting population control organizations worldwide is really the best way to save energy, since each child increases energy demand.</p><p>
Live close to work.</p><p>
Carpool.</p><p>
Put in attractive colored stone instead of grass. &nbsp;This will cut out lawn maintenance, and the use of fertilizers and other chemicals.</p><p>
Plant a big trees to shade the house, so use of air conditioning is limited.</p><p>
Buy smaller and fewer cars.</p><p>
Don't bitch that there is nothing you can do. That hot air causes global warming.</p>
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				<p><strong>DO something positive!</strong></p><p>Selling your Exxon stock will not make any difference in the behavior of the company. &nbsp;It is an empty gesture.</p><p>
Do something positive, realizing that each action you take is not a big contribution toward solving the energy problem, but it is better than nothing, and may be all that you can do now.</p><p>
Buying a hybrid is reasonable.</p><p>
Buying a diesel that can use biodiesel fuel is a possibility.</p><p>
Putting solar panels on your house to augment the electric company will help.</p><p>
Investing in companies that make electricity generating windmills is probably a really good idea -- but in a fund, of course.</p><p>
Writing to your electric company to ask them to made green energy available is OK -- but realize that it may take millions of letters to wake them up -- so, keep trying. &nbsp;</p><p>
Bitching about the bad situation will have no value.</p><p>
Having fewer children is sensible. &nbsp;Supporting population control organizations worldwide is really the best way to save energy, since each child increases energy demand.</p><p>
Live close to work.</p><p>
Carpool.</p><p>
Put in attractive colored stone instead of grass. &nbsp;This will cut out lawn maintenance, and the use of fertilizers and other chemicals.</p><p>
Plant a big trees to shade the house, so use of air conditioning is limited.</p><p>
Buy smaller and fewer cars.</p><p>
Don't bitch that there is nothing you can do. That hot air causes global warming.</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by envirodoc</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:58:35 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The message in Selling EXXON</strong></p><p>Tyler Clement is to be applauded. It was a noble and courageous act on his part to sell his "legacy shares". Tyler has made his reasons for that decision public as well. If Tylers message is lost on some I am sure that it rings in the ears of Clement family shareholders. They are in an interesting position. Will any other Clements divest?<br>
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the Clement Thankgiving gathering. Hope they invite you Tyler.<br>
If they don't, send them a nice can of 30 weight. I hear it goes well with bird!</br></br></p>
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				<p><strong>The message in Selling EXXON</strong></p><p>Tyler Clement is to be applauded. It was a noble and courageous act on his part to sell his "legacy shares". Tyler has made his reasons for that decision public as well. If Tylers message is lost on some I am sure that it rings in the ears of Clement family shareholders. They are in an interesting position. Will any other Clements divest?<br>
I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the Clement Thankgiving gathering. Hope they invite you Tyler.<br>
If they don't, send them a nice can of 30 weight. I hear it goes well with bird!</br></br></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by kmp</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 03:28:36 -0700</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Bravo</strong></p><p>I too applaud Tyler Clement. &nbsp;While morally it seems a no-brainer decision for a person who cares about our environment, practically speaking I can understand that it was a difficult choice. &nbsp;After all, there are very few stocks in the market that one can nearly guarantee will perform well, in the short and long term... unfortunately, Exxon is one of them. &nbsp;There is an inherent financial security blanket there that I'm sure was difficult to part with.</p><p>
storyguild said:</p><p>
Selling your Exxon stock will not make any difference in the behavior of the company. &nbsp;It is an empty gesture.</p><p>
I could not disagree more. &nbsp;Clearly the sale of one person's stock may not even register with a company the size of Exxon. &nbsp;But if 1,000s upon 1,000s of people suddenly decided to "put their money where their mouth is," as Mr. Clement did, it could have significant impact. &nbsp;Even more importantly is the impact on Mr. Clement's peace of mind. He made a decision to align his financial future with his moral values and, presumably, feels better for it. &nbsp;I cannot think of a less "empty" gesture than that.</p><p>
Kaela</p>
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				<p><strong>Bravo</strong></p><p>I too applaud Tyler Clement. &nbsp;While morally it seems a no-brainer decision for a person who cares about our environment, practically speaking I can understand that it was a difficult choice. &nbsp;After all, there are very few stocks in the market that one can nearly guarantee will perform well, in the short and long term... unfortunately, Exxon is one of them. &nbsp;There is an inherent financial security blanket there that I'm sure was difficult to part with.</p><p>
storyguild said:</p><p>
Selling your Exxon stock will not make any difference in the behavior of the company. &nbsp;It is an empty gesture.</p><p>
I could not disagree more. &nbsp;Clearly the sale of one person's stock may not even register with a company the size of Exxon. &nbsp;But if 1,000s upon 1,000s of people suddenly decided to "put their money where their mouth is," as Mr. Clement did, it could have significant impact. &nbsp;Even more importantly is the impact on Mr. Clement's peace of mind. He made a decision to align his financial future with his moral values and, presumably, feels better for it. &nbsp;I cannot think of a less "empty" gesture than that.</p><p>
Kaela</p>
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