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            <title>Comment #1 by archigeek</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:39:41 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Cripes PETA...</strong></p><p>What the hell are they thinking? Why don't they just get behind a better solution: help everyone reduce their intake of first, red meat, and then poultry. All of the resources going into this boondoggle could be better invested in more practical means of reducing meat consumption. But then again, this "eonomic downturn" will probably help in a significant way towards that goal. Not the most desirable method, but certainly an unintended consequence.

<p>The mellotron is your friend.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Cripes PETA...</strong></p><p>What the hell are they thinking? Why don't they just get behind a better solution: help everyone reduce their intake of first, red meat, and then poultry. All of the resources going into this boondoggle could be better invested in more practical means of reducing meat consumption. But then again, this "eonomic downturn" will probably help in a significant way towards that goal. Not the most desirable method, but certainly an unintended consequence.

<p>The mellotron is your friend.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Bob Wallace</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:46:31 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;True Believers&quot; vs. The Vast Majority</strong></p><p>Odds of getting the large majority of Americans to give up cheeseburgers?</p><p>
Danged low.</p><p>
Odds of getting the large majority of Americans eating "lab meat" cheeseburgers if the lab stuff tastes the same and costs less?</p><p>
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				<p><strong>&quot;True Believers&quot; vs. The Vast Majority</strong></p><p>Odds of getting the large majority of Americans to give up cheeseburgers?</p><p>
Danged low.</p><p>
Odds of getting the large majority of Americans eating "lab meat" cheeseburgers if the lab stuff tastes the same and costs less?</p><p>
Pretty high.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by rraimo</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:48:58 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Bob...</strong></p><p>Should that read "large majority of Americans" or "majority of large Americans"? &nbsp;:o)</p>
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				<p><strong>Bob...</strong></p><p>Should that read "large majority of Americans" or "majority of large Americans"? &nbsp;:o)</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by CyberBrook</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:24:38 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>eat shmeat?<p><b> Shmeat should likely be welcomed with the same joy as genetically-modified organisms, high fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated palm oil, and trans fats.<p>
I'll stick to (and recommend) Eco-Eating: <a href="http://www.brook.com/veg" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.brook.com/veg<br>


<p>Eco-Eating: Eating as if the Earth Matters at 
<a href="http://www.brook.com/veg" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.brook.com/veg</a></p></br></a></p></b></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>eat shmeat?<p><b> Shmeat should likely be welcomed with the same joy as genetically-modified organisms, high fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated palm oil, and trans fats.<p>
I'll stick to (and recommend) Eco-Eating: <a href="http://www.brook.com/veg" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.brook.com/veg<br>


<p>Eco-Eating: Eating as if the Earth Matters at 
<a href="http://www.brook.com/veg" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://www.brook.com/veg</a></p></br></a></p></b></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Bob Wallace</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:17:42 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>r- </strong></p><p>Both snark and puns are degraded by the author labeling them when they are presented.</p>
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				<p><strong>r- </strong></p><p>Both snark and puns are degraded by the author labeling them when they are presented.</p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by hikerreese</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:25:31 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>the majority of large americans</strong></p><p>Too good Bob. &nbsp;This could take off. &nbsp;People eat spam. &nbsp;There is no telling what crap some people will swallow. &nbsp;This is true figuratively and literally.</p><p>
This guy's gonna read his labels close though. &nbsp;I don't want anything to do with it.</p>
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				<p><strong>the majority of large americans</strong></p><p>Too good Bob. &nbsp;This could take off. &nbsp;People eat spam. &nbsp;There is no telling what crap some people will swallow. &nbsp;This is true figuratively and literally.</p><p>
This guy's gonna read his labels close though. &nbsp;I don't want anything to do with it.</p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Bob Wallace</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:11:32 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Tofu turkeys...</strong></p><p>Vegeburgers.</p><p>
Soy sausages.</p><p>
Even vegetarians seem to want a meat fix from time to time.</p><p>
If they get this stuff right - tasty, affordable, environmentally benign, healthy- then I've got no problem with it. &nbsp;Wouldn't take much to get the quality up higher than sausage and hot dogs.... <br>
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				<p><strong>Tofu turkeys...</strong></p><p>Vegeburgers.</p><p>
Soy sausages.</p><p>
Even vegetarians seem to want a meat fix from time to time.</p><p>
If they get this stuff right - tasty, affordable, environmentally benign, healthy- then I've got no problem with it. &nbsp;Wouldn't take much to get the quality up higher than sausage and hot dogs.... <br>
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            <title>Comment #8 by Laura K</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:30:27 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Unnatural?<p>I can understand the sentiment that test tube food is somehow getting people farther from nature, but how many Americans are even remotely involved with, or aware of, the insanely cruel and unhealthy production of factory-farmed meat? <p>
Try reading "Even if you like meat" from Vegan Outreach <a href="http://www.veganoutreach.org/advocacy/resources.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.veganoutreach.org/advocacy/resources.html &nbsp;Then talk to me about being healthy and close to nature. Tell me how the taste factor somehow justifies our current system of meat production. <p>
Look, I could support conscientious farmers raising animals for food in a humane and healthy way that involves pasture and freedom for an animal to live a decent life, but you just can't produce enough meat that way to maintain average American meat consumption. And good luck getting mainstream America to cut back for any reason other than price. <p>
I support shmeat as a practical alternative to the horribly broken system we have now. </p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Unnatural?<p>I can understand the sentiment that test tube food is somehow getting people farther from nature, but how many Americans are even remotely involved with, or aware of, the insanely cruel and unhealthy production of factory-farmed meat? <p>
Try reading "Even if you like meat" from Vegan Outreach <a href="http://www.veganoutreach.org/advocacy/resources.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.veganoutreach.org/advocacy/resources.html &nbsp;Then talk to me about being healthy and close to nature. Tell me how the taste factor somehow justifies our current system of meat production. <p>
Look, I could support conscientious farmers raising animals for food in a humane and healthy way that involves pasture and freedom for an animal to live a decent life, but you just can't produce enough meat that way to maintain average American meat consumption. And good luck getting mainstream America to cut back for any reason other than price. <p>
I support shmeat as a practical alternative to the horribly broken system we have now. </p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #9 by EeeGee</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:45:42 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Let's try to be open-minded...</strong></p><p>and at let's at least check it out. TofuTurkey's right on.....these veggie meat things are weird! I go to the Natural Products expos every year and some of the stuff being fobbed off as "healthy, natural &amp; vegetarian" reeeeeally stretches those definitions.</p><p>
Will shmeat be as authentic as, say, that Heritage black spotted dapple-nose peeky lamb that organo-foodies live for? Definitely not. But if I can get a decently toothsome &amp; relatively harmless meatfix without slaughtering more hapless doe-eyed innocent critters, I'm all for it. (I can get the nutrients from all the local, organic heirloom veggies I eat with my shmeat.)</p><p>
Potential for weirdness of the corporate geneto-manipulative variety? Absolutely. And we'll prob'ly get a lotta false health claims too. &nbsp;But nothing these days is inherently safe from that. Let's watch &amp; see what happens to the Slo Foods when WalMart buys in (and if everyone keeps writing about it, they will!). </p><p>
Shmeat is a strange compromise, one that facilitates a unique form of guilt assuagement (think of it as carbon offsets for the soul). But since I do enjoy meat now and again I, for one, am &nbsp;willing to try it. </p><p>
Yes, it's Star Trek food, but I suppose you'd like to carry on this long distance, multi-person dialog via smoke signals?? 

<p>--EeeGee</p></p>
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				<p><strong>Let's try to be open-minded...</strong></p><p>and at let's at least check it out. TofuTurkey's right on.....these veggie meat things are weird! I go to the Natural Products expos every year and some of the stuff being fobbed off as "healthy, natural &amp; vegetarian" reeeeeally stretches those definitions.</p><p>
Will shmeat be as authentic as, say, that Heritage black spotted dapple-nose peeky lamb that organo-foodies live for? Definitely not. But if I can get a decently toothsome &amp; relatively harmless meatfix without slaughtering more hapless doe-eyed innocent critters, I'm all for it. (I can get the nutrients from all the local, organic heirloom veggies I eat with my shmeat.)</p><p>
Potential for weirdness of the corporate geneto-manipulative variety? Absolutely. And we'll prob'ly get a lotta false health claims too. &nbsp;But nothing these days is inherently safe from that. Let's watch &amp; see what happens to the Slo Foods when WalMart buys in (and if everyone keeps writing about it, they will!). </p><p>
Shmeat is a strange compromise, one that facilitates a unique form of guilt assuagement (think of it as carbon offsets for the soul). But since I do enjoy meat now and again I, for one, am &nbsp;willing to try it. </p><p>
Yes, it's Star Trek food, but I suppose you'd like to carry on this long distance, multi-person dialog via smoke signals?? 

<p>--EeeGee</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #10 by Pangolin</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:22:04 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Quorn's not good enough?<p>If you simply want a source of chewey protein that is vegetarian there are plenty of options out there. A black bean taco with some avacado has all the protein and essential fatty acids you could hope for. <p>
You're still going to drool when the guy next door slaps a leg of lamb on the barbecue. PETA's attempt to separate the muscle part of the animal from the mobile, self-replicating, doe-eyed bioreactor part if foolish and short sighted. The biological system has had billions of years to evolve and we're not replacing it with our glow-in-the-dark-bunny tech. <p>
It would be far better for all concerned if we focused on improving the habitat and diet of meat animals rather than replacing them. 

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Quorn's not good enough?<p>If you simply want a source of chewey protein that is vegetarian there are plenty of options out there. A black bean taco with some avacado has all the protein and essential fatty acids you could hope for. <p>
You're still going to drool when the guy next door slaps a leg of lamb on the barbecue. PETA's attempt to separate the muscle part of the animal from the mobile, self-replicating, doe-eyed bioreactor part if foolish and short sighted. The biological system has had billions of years to evolve and we're not replacing it with our glow-in-the-dark-bunny tech. <p>
It would be far better for all concerned if we focused on improving the habitat and diet of meat animals rather than replacing them. 

<p><a href="http://putcarbonback.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Put  the Carbon Back</a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #11 by JImMcDosh</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:03:52 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>No way<p>thanks but no thanks. I will jsut stick with me old fashion hamburgers and hotdogs thank you very much!<p>
Jess<br>
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				<p><strong>No way<p>thanks but no thanks. I will jsut stick with me old fashion hamburgers and hotdogs thank you very much!<p>
Jess<br>
<a href="http://www.privacy.cz.tc" rel="nofollow">http://www.privacy.cz.tc</a></br></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #12 by caniscandida</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:51:28 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>&quot;commercially viable&quot;</strong></p><p>The cause is terrific: to reduce the number of animals upon whom we inflict suffering, for the sole purpose of eating their flesh.</p><p>
But plainly, one big task will be coaxing babyish diners to try something new, which they may very well like in preference to something they used to eat.</p><p>
And then there will inevitably be all those ignorant, ethics-phobic infants, who say such things as "I will just stick with me old-fashioned hamburgers thank you very much," and who will affirm one another's backward prejudices.

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p>
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				<p><strong>&quot;commercially viable&quot;</strong></p><p>The cause is terrific: to reduce the number of animals upon whom we inflict suffering, for the sole purpose of eating their flesh.</p><p>
But plainly, one big task will be coaxing babyish diners to try something new, which they may very well like in preference to something they used to eat.</p><p>
And then there will inevitably be all those ignorant, ethics-phobic infants, who say such things as "I will just stick with me old-fashioned hamburgers thank you very much," and who will affirm one another's backward prejudices.

<p>Chickens deserve our true friendship!  So do fish!  So do other sentient beings!  Let us learn to be kind.</p></p>
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            <title>Comment #13 by Annimal</title>
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				<p><strong>Artificial meat</strong></p><p>Methinks this kind of meat substitute might very well be suitable for cheeseburgers!</p><p>
However, the inventor of artificial meat, a Norwegian company , thinks it will take some years to produce the meat .</p><p>
What's most important matter for animal " lovers" is to reduce the suffering of factory farming etc.</p>
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				<p><strong>Artificial meat</strong></p><p>Methinks this kind of meat substitute might very well be suitable for cheeseburgers!</p><p>
However, the inventor of artificial meat, a Norwegian company , thinks it will take some years to produce the meat .</p><p>
What's most important matter for animal " lovers" is to reduce the suffering of factory farming etc.</p>
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            <title>Comment #14 by marcbrazeau</title>
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				<p><strong>Just say no to Godzilla meat<p>Test tube meat, what could possibly go wrong?<p>
Margarine turned out to be trans-fats. &nbsp;<p>
High Fructose Corn Syrup was originally seen as chalk full of "fruit sugar" turned out to be as bad, possibly worse than sucrose.<p>
Science told us that engineering milk to have less fat was better for us, but drinking skim milk <a href="http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2005/infoalert_070905.html" rel="nofollow">appears to correlate with greater weight gain in children than whole milk. &nbsp;Removing the fat makes the fat soluble vitamins that make milk nutritious unavailable. &nbsp;Butterfat in whole milk, particularly butterfat in milk from cows that graze outside on green pasture, provides unique nutrients that support thyroid function and help the body put on muscle rather than fat. And to restore the mouth feel that's lost in removing the fat, producers will add powdered milk which contains oxidized cholesterol which seems to be harder on your arteries than regular cholesterol.<p>
Someone give me an example of when the health outcomes for human engineered food-like substances have been better than the health outcomes for just eating food?<p>
"Just eat food. &nbsp;Not too much. &nbsp;Mostly plants."<br>
-Michael Pollan</br></p></p></a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Just say no to Godzilla meat<p>Test tube meat, what could possibly go wrong?<p>
Margarine turned out to be trans-fats. &nbsp;<p>
High Fructose Corn Syrup was originally seen as chalk full of "fruit sugar" turned out to be as bad, possibly worse than sucrose.<p>
Science told us that engineering milk to have less fat was better for us, but drinking skim milk <a href="http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2005/infoalert_070905.html" rel="nofollow">appears to correlate with greater weight gain in children than whole milk. &nbsp;Removing the fat makes the fat soluble vitamins that make milk nutritious unavailable. &nbsp;Butterfat in whole milk, particularly butterfat in milk from cows that graze outside on green pasture, provides unique nutrients that support thyroid function and help the body put on muscle rather than fat. And to restore the mouth feel that's lost in removing the fat, producers will add powdered milk which contains oxidized cholesterol which seems to be harder on your arteries than regular cholesterol.<p>
Someone give me an example of when the health outcomes for human engineered food-like substances have been better than the health outcomes for just eating food?<p>
"Just eat food. &nbsp;Not too much. &nbsp;Mostly plants."<br>
-Michael Pollan</br></p></p></a></p></p></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Another way?</strong></p><p>Another way to help encourage people to shun that next hotdog, steak or chicken kebab is to make tours and videos of factory farms, slaughterhouses and meat processors a mandatory part of our education system. I'm sure that the meat industry and governments would just jump at that!</p>
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				<p><strong>Another way?</strong></p><p>Another way to help encourage people to shun that next hotdog, steak or chicken kebab is to make tours and videos of factory farms, slaughterhouses and meat processors a mandatory part of our education system. I'm sure that the meat industry and governments would just jump at that!</p>
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