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            <title>Comment #1 by raevynn</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:40:25 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Dissin' the witchcraft</strong></p><p>You know, some of the best things owe a bit to a little of the craft ;)</p><p>
I'll have to check into BD wine...</p>
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				<p><strong>Dissin' the witchcraft</strong></p><p>You know, some of the best things owe a bit to a little of the craft ;)</p><p>
I'll have to check into BD wine...</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by PermieWriter</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:56:48 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Steiner-iffic<p>I have to admit, all the biodynamic farmers and gardeners I've known have been a bit crazy. But they also all grow good food. And Waldorf kids turn out pretty darn amazingly, so I guess Steiner was onto something.<p>
I don't get this thing of people not wanting wine to taste like fruit. It's made out of fruit. But maybe I'm biased, since I make fruit wines (what they call non-grape wine).

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				<p><strong>Steiner-iffic<p>I have to admit, all the biodynamic farmers and gardeners I've known have been a bit crazy. But they also all grow good food. And Waldorf kids turn out pretty darn amazingly, so I guess Steiner was onto something.<p>
I don't get this thing of people not wanting wine to taste like fruit. It's made out of fruit. But maybe I'm biased, since I make fruit wines (what they call non-grape wine).

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            <title>Comment #3 by Pangolin</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:28:57 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>That's weeds to city folk<p>As near as I can tell the biodynamic vineyard will be the one that looks rather weedy from the road. Considering the rate at which California hills have been paved with vineyards I'm not sure I approve. <p>
Could some of the rest of you learn to grow your own wine grapes at home? Please? 

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				<p><strong>That's weeds to city folk<p>As near as I can tell the biodynamic vineyard will be the one that looks rather weedy from the road. Considering the rate at which California hills have been paved with vineyards I'm not sure I approve. <p>
Could some of the rest of you learn to grow your own wine grapes at home? Please? 

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            <title>Comment #4 by Sean Casten</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:31:51 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Bunkum, but maybe good bunkum<p>Check out <a href="http://www.csicop.org/si/2007-06/smith.html" rel="nofollow">this for a review of the scientific nonsense underlying biodynamics and it's rather sordid scientific history. &nbsp;(Short version: the science supporting biodynamics is about as robust as the science debunking anthropogenic global warming and evolution. &nbsp;If you support scientific approaches to the latter, be very skeptical of the former.)<p>
As against that, my brother has a wine <a href="http://www.candidwines.com" rel="nofollow">distribution business and his palate (far superior to mine) seems to think these BD wines have something to them. &nbsp;The best conclusion the two of us have been able to reach over the course of conversations steeped in both science and wine (sometimes more of the latter) is that there is no controlled experiment - the BD crowd is often also the organic crowd and if nothing else, doing all that crazy BD stuff necessarily means that they're walking around the vineyards on a regular basis, picking weeds, plucking mites, pruning vines and doing all those other things that are good independent of ramshorn powder and the full moon. &nbsp;Or to put it more prosaically, if you sprinkle rams horn into a pile of compost and lay the compost around your vines, I'll bet you have happy grapes... regardless of the moon phase and ram chakras that may have happened to coincide with all that good humus.</a></p></a></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Bunkum, but maybe good bunkum<p>Check out <a href="http://www.csicop.org/si/2007-06/smith.html" rel="nofollow">this for a review of the scientific nonsense underlying biodynamics and it's rather sordid scientific history. &nbsp;(Short version: the science supporting biodynamics is about as robust as the science debunking anthropogenic global warming and evolution. &nbsp;If you support scientific approaches to the latter, be very skeptical of the former.)<p>
As against that, my brother has a wine <a href="http://www.candidwines.com" rel="nofollow">distribution business and his palate (far superior to mine) seems to think these BD wines have something to them. &nbsp;The best conclusion the two of us have been able to reach over the course of conversations steeped in both science and wine (sometimes more of the latter) is that there is no controlled experiment - the BD crowd is often also the organic crowd and if nothing else, doing all that crazy BD stuff necessarily means that they're walking around the vineyards on a regular basis, picking weeds, plucking mites, pruning vines and doing all those other things that are good independent of ramshorn powder and the full moon. &nbsp;Or to put it more prosaically, if you sprinkle rams horn into a pile of compost and lay the compost around your vines, I'll bet you have happy grapes... regardless of the moon phase and ram chakras that may have happened to coincide with all that good humus.</a></p></a></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Erik Hoffner</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:55:00 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>little miracles<p>Nice research on this, Lou. I have no doubt that &nbsp;biod wine has a lot going on.<p>
I co-managed a biodynamic farm for a season after having apprenticed on an organic market farm the year before, and found the health and vigor of the plants at the biodynamic farm to be far superior. And my health was incredible, too, eating that food - the routine cuts and bruises you get on a farm job all healed so fast that I swore I could watch it happen. <p>
Part of it was that the soil was absolutely phenomenal, a direct result of the careful composting of very mundane ingredients plus that kooky cow's horn additive. <p>
I've never tasted sweeter fruits (we had some tested for sugar content in a lab, and the readings were very very high) or seen tomatoes or tender seedlings stand up to a hard frost as well. Think what you want of biodynamics, but this skeptic found that the system works beautifully - little miracles abounded.<p>
Erik

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				<p><strong>little miracles<p>Nice research on this, Lou. I have no doubt that &nbsp;biod wine has a lot going on.<p>
I co-managed a biodynamic farm for a season after having apprenticed on an organic market farm the year before, and found the health and vigor of the plants at the biodynamic farm to be far superior. And my health was incredible, too, eating that food - the routine cuts and bruises you get on a farm job all healed so fast that I swore I could watch it happen. <p>
Part of it was that the soil was absolutely phenomenal, a direct result of the careful composting of very mundane ingredients plus that kooky cow's horn additive. <p>
I've never tasted sweeter fruits (we had some tested for sugar content in a lab, and the readings were very very high) or seen tomatoes or tender seedlings stand up to a hard frost as well. Think what you want of biodynamics, but this skeptic found that the system works beautifully - little miracles abounded.<p>
Erik

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            <title>Comment #6 by Anhinga</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:04:46 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Best Biodynamic Book</strong></p><p>Everyone should read "Secrets of the Soil : New Solutions for Restoring Our Planet" by Tompkins and Bird. The narrative writing style takes a little getting used to, but 400-pager is packed with blow-your-mind information. The research is thorough and backs up Steiner's clairvoyant messages with hard science. </p>
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				<p><strong>Best Biodynamic Book</strong></p><p>Everyone should read "Secrets of the Soil : New Solutions for Restoring Our Planet" by Tompkins and Bird. The narrative writing style takes a little getting used to, but 400-pager is packed with blow-your-mind information. The research is thorough and backs up Steiner's clairvoyant messages with hard science. </p>
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            <title>Comment #7 by Damien</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:43:58 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Depardieu weighs in<p>French actor and vineyard owner offered his take on this subject in an article from Decanter. <p>
<a href="http://www.decanter.com/news/273087.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.decanter.com/news/273087.html<p>
As Tom Cruise teaches, looking to actors for science can be dangerous, but, I would note that as a vineyard owner, Depardieu says "Treatment costs a lot of money. I only use biodynamics in Anjou because I'm poor." <p>
This to me underlines the more important topic contained herein, the fact that there is great value to be found in wines made from organic and biodynamic grapes. &nbsp;Our stereotypes about organics equalling expensive are not always justified. &nbsp;</p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>Depardieu weighs in<p>French actor and vineyard owner offered his take on this subject in an article from Decanter. <p>
<a href="http://www.decanter.com/news/273087.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.decanter.com/news/273087.html<p>
As Tom Cruise teaches, looking to actors for science can be dangerous, but, I would note that as a vineyard owner, Depardieu says "Treatment costs a lot of money. I only use biodynamics in Anjou because I'm poor." <p>
This to me underlines the more important topic contained herein, the fact that there is great value to be found in wines made from organic and biodynamic grapes. &nbsp;Our stereotypes about organics equalling expensive are not always justified. &nbsp;</p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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