<![CDATA[Grist - Comment Feed for Conservative blogger thinks McCain is ditching cap-and-trade]]> Grist Comment Feed en Comment #1 by Paleocon http://www.grist.org/article/cap-and-traitor/ Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:37:12 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/cap-and-traitor/1 McCain wants affordable energy

Cap and trade is not about affordable energy.

It is about transferring wealth in the spirit of "oil for food". The wealth will no doubt flow across the desks of countless "Directors of Climate Policy" creating a lot of rich progressives while all the while the cost of energy will continue to rise.

Directors of Climate Policy have no interest in increasing the standard of living of anyone but themselves.

Often misunderestimated

]]> McCain wants affordable energy

Cap and trade is not about affordable energy.

It is about transferring wealth in the spirit of "oil for food". The wealth will no doubt flow across the desks of countless "Directors of Climate Policy" creating a lot of rich progressives while all the while the cost of energy will continue to rise.

Directors of Climate Policy have no interest in increasing the standard of living of anyone but themselves.

Often misunderestimated

]]> Comment #2 by GreyFlcn http://www.grist.org/article/cap-and-traitor/ Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:50:23 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/cap-and-traitor/2 Actually

Frankly it really doesn't matter if they take that money collected, and build the world's largest pizza with it.

Or maybe just toss it all into paying off the gigantic federal debt Bush/Bush/Reagan got us.

Really it doesn't matter.

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What really matters is the pigovian effect.

Or put another way, the important part is correcting the market failure to include the cost of carbon into the operating cost of fossil power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigovian_tax

"Market failures" such as these are largely one of the huge major reasons we have government in the first place.

Because currently the market price of fossil energy does not reflect the damage caused by green house gases.

Once it does, the market should represent a more realistic price, and other new technologies should be able to easily out-compete existing ones.


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Frankly it really doesn't matter if they take that money collected, and build the world's largest pizza with it.

Or maybe just toss it all into paying off the gigantic federal debt Bush/Bush/Reagan got us.

Really it doesn't matter.

_

What really matters is the pigovian effect.

Or put another way, the important part is correcting the market failure to include the cost of carbon into the operating cost of fossil power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigovian_tax

"Market failures" such as these are largely one of the huge major reasons we have government in the first place.

Because currently the market price of fossil energy does not reflect the damage caused by green house gases.

Once it does, the market should represent a more realistic price, and other new technologies should be able to easily out-compete existing ones.


]]> Comment #3 by Paleocon http://www.grist.org/article/cap-and-traitor/ Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:37:18 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/cap-and-traitor/3 Let me guess who gets to decide the cost

Externalities associated with the release of greenhouse gases can be measured by econometric models. What goes into the model is as exact a science as witchcraft. That is why the Economics departments are not always near the rest of the science departments at Universities. LOL.

Ironic that AGW Fundamentalists in the "hard science" community turn to the "science" that belongs on the Humanities side of campus for support.

Even more ironic is the fact that I was educated in Economics where Pigou was a fellow.

Before gigo was a word, he expressed the concept that calculating externalities was only possible with hard data.

If AGW Fundamentalists were not so blinded by religious zeal, they would focus on external costs like OPEC THREATENING THE WORLD OVER IRAN and accomplish the very same goal.

Often misunderestimated

]]> Let me guess who gets to decide the cost

Externalities associated with the release of greenhouse gases can be measured by econometric models. What goes into the model is as exact a science as witchcraft. That is why the Economics departments are not always near the rest of the science departments at Universities. LOL.

Ironic that AGW Fundamentalists in the "hard science" community turn to the "science" that belongs on the Humanities side of campus for support.

Even more ironic is the fact that I was educated in Economics where Pigou was a fellow.

Before gigo was a word, he expressed the concept that calculating externalities was only possible with hard data.

If AGW Fundamentalists were not so blinded by religious zeal, they would focus on external costs like OPEC THREATENING THE WORLD OVER IRAN and accomplish the very same goal.

Often misunderestimated

]]> Comment #4 by Paleocon http://www.grist.org/article/cap-and-traitor/ Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:38:57 -0700 http://www.grist.org/article/cap-and-traitor/4 Strike word and replace...

"measured" should be "calculated"

Thanks

Often misunderestimated

]]> Strike word and replace...

"measured" should be "calculated"

Thanks

Often misunderestimated

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