Man, I couldn't have typed that without putting "leadership" in quotes.

Save the world: Reduce greenhouse gas emissions 5% annually.

Well, that's how politics works, or doesn't work.

When the Republicans were in charge, there was the tax credits for wind and solar.  There wasn't a huge downside for Republican politicians.  When the Democrats are in charge, the Republicans have incentive to stop those tax credits so the Democratic base will be upset with their Democratic Politicians and give victories for the Republican base.

Democracies might be the worse form of government except for all the others, but how bad do all forms of government have to be to get there.

Time to call your congressman!!!  Yikes.

The party "leadership" is evidently in the hands of traitors and nitwits.

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You know the drill, it is not what is good for America (e.g., supporting wind and solar incentives) but who has the congressman's ear.  That's what lobbyists do.  So it's a shame that good things get killed in legislature but not completely unexpected.

I had a moment reading this article where I felt like I was listening to a sugar cane grower in Texas.  "What do mean no 5-cent subsidy, I built a 25 million dollar sugar processing facility!"  Never count on the expectation for anything I guess is the lesson.  

If it doesn't work without a subsidy, then perhaps the entire concept just won't ever work.  The idea of price supports and subsidies was to be as "seed money" to help a market recover, emerge, or become more developed - a temporary fix.  That's why the Farm Bill was passed during the Great Depression (which was never intended to stay there forever).

Ergo, if a market sector still is upside down on finances after a reasonable start-up period, then the subsidy should be withdrawn.  This might have dire consequences for some solar power projects, which seem to be capital intensive and have long pay-back periods (indeed sometimes beyond the expected life of the machinery).  I see better things for wind and water turbines, though.  /sam

Onward through the fog

Everyone, I appreciate the anger, but I don't think it's productive at this point. The Dem leadership wants this stuff -- Pelosi in particular -- and they're doing their best to figure out how to get it in the face of enormous opposition. Anyway, right now this stuff about dropping RPS and PTC barely rises above the level of rumor.

It would be great to contact your Rep. and make it clear that you support the RPS and PTC, and that you won't forgive them if they abandon them. But right now, the leadership needs help and support, not this kneejerk pox-on-both-their houses stuff.

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Anyway, right now this stuff about dropping RPS and PTC barely rises above the level of rumor.

I have been getting an onslaught of emails from various pro-solar groups that I am associated with, telling me to call my congresscritter in support of RPS and PTC, and making it sound like we're right on the verge of losing this critical support for renewables.  Most of these emails reference a rather shrill and emphatic email by VoteSolar (which, oddly, doesn't seem to have a corresponding message on their website, as of this moment).

So, the messages coming from the activist grapevine conflict with David's statement that this is still all at the rumor and innuendo level.  It'd be nice to get the story straight (and to coordinate with VoteSolar).  Any updates forthcoming?

It may be true. It could be that it's part of a strategy to get these things passed in some other way. It could be just an idea they're floating. It could be any number of things. I certainly wouldn't discourage people from calling their representatives about it -- indeed, I'd encourage them. What I would discourage is immediately jumping to the conclusion that Pelosi and Reid are craven faux-Republican sellouts blah blah blah. We just don't know enough to make that judgment yet.

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Yes, the voters are only used today to approve of the candidates that have been carefully selected by our Corporations- the only entities being represented in our federal government.  If you do not have a lobbyist on K Street, you are no one.

Renewable energy / environment has always been a Democratic plank, and where has this particular one gone?  Did Peabody Coal buy it, or perhaps Exxon Mobil?  

The United States is equivalent to the third world with regard to renewable energy usage.  We, the richest country on the planet could not afford to install solar electricity or hot water, or create some renewable form of gasoline.  The government has no need to do it- they get their money from fossil fuels.

Renewable energy would require manufacturing, installation, maintenance, sales, parts, and other supporting jobs.  And, we would not be pouring all of our money into Saudi Arabia, etc.

I would like to know how this decision came about.  Harry Reid has a nice video on his website stating how much the Senator is for supporting renewable energy and efficiency.... is this how we do it, Harry?

I received a number of panicky missives sent on Thursday and Friday regarding the status of the renewable energy incentives in the Energy Bill.  I do thank all of the well-meaning folks out there for alerting us.  Like many of you, I promptly wrote and called my congresswomen and senators to express my concerns.

Since I have been to Washington on a few occasions to lobby on behalf of renewable energy issues, I have talked to the various staffers in the California delegation, including Boxer, Feinstein, and Pelosi.  Their offices were closed on Monday, Veterans Day, so I called them today to get more of the inside scoop on the Energy Bill and the status of the renewable energy incentives.  I was told by Lara Levison, a Policy Adviser in Pelosi's office, that there is no intent to drop the RPS or Investment Tax Credit for renewable energy projects, despite what has been claimed elsewhere.

I am curious to know: where did you get this information?  There are a lot of shrill "alerts" flying around on this issue quoting "concerned advocates" and the like.  I want to know who is the source of this?  Is there any basis for this hysteria?  If not, let's lower the volume and get our facts straight; otherwise we are crying "wolf", losing credibility, wasting political capital, and burning people out.

Lara did say that the Senate version of the bill, which does not not have as strong support for the ITC, was in trouble and that there was a suggestion that the sections pertaining to renewable energy incentives be removed from the Energy Bill and placed into its own bill or another bill that has better chances of passage.  This may not be a bad idea.

I then called my contacts at Sen Boxer's office and Sen Feinstein's office.  They were not aware of any intent to drop the ITC or RPS from the senate version of the bill, but promised to research this and get back to me.  I will try to pass along their information to you so that you can get the facts straight from the source.

Many have argued that the Energy Bill as it stands today is a real stinker, with lots of giveaways to the oil, coal, and ethanol industries and only a pittance for wind, solar and similar renewable energy technologies.  Perhaps it deserves to be defeated and a better bill drafted.  Perhaps the best approach would be to pull the renewable energy incentives out of the Energy Bill, put them into a separate bill that we can support whole-heartedly, and let the bloated and outdated Energy Bill die a well-deserved death.

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Thanks for the info, good stuff. I think it was the notion of splitting the bill in two that freaked people out.

The question, of course, is how a pure renewables bill would fare. Would the Dem leadership fight for it as hard as they're pushing for an energy bill?

As I hear it, a lot of oil/gas Dems and southern Republicans are voting for the energy bill in spite of the renewable provisions, in order to get the RFS and possibly some nuke loan guarantees. If they get the latter, why would they vote for a pure renewables bill?

I guess I don't see how the RPS and ITC reach critical mass without the (admittedly lamentable) other inducements in the energy bill.

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