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            <title>Comment #1 by LeadByExample</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/bush3/</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 06:45:02 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Some like it hot</strong></p><p>The smart money is on conservation and energy efficient technologies, global warming aside, what do we do when the oil runs out? The U.S could easily reduce CO2 emissions by 1/2 and never miss a beat, gluttonous use of energy may be could for the energy providers bottom line, but everything else suffers.</p>
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				<p><strong>Some like it hot</strong></p><p>The smart money is on conservation and energy efficient technologies, global warming aside, what do we do when the oil runs out? The U.S could easily reduce CO2 emissions by 1/2 and never miss a beat, gluttonous use of energy may be could for the energy providers bottom line, but everything else suffers.</p>
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            <title>Comment #2 by Delay And Deny</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 04:45:36 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>Grist Suppresses Truth -- Again</strong></p><p>Wow...talk about a pack of lies.</p><p>
In 2001, at the onset of the Bush Administration, one of the first large scale billion dollar programs was for the funding of the new Hydrogen Economy...fuel cells, hydrogen conversion, hydrogen cars. &nbsp; It has also championed nuclear fusion...the ITER project.</p><p>
That has continued every year since. &nbsp;Al Gore suppressed this information in his movie.</p><p>
The Bush Administration is attached by Grist because it went head first into true new technologies, the ones can that reduce pollution to zero: Hydrogen. &nbsp;It deemphasized things like solar cells and biofuels because it felt that private industry was handling that adequately -- and also, that those things would not get us through the 21st Century.</p>
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				<p><strong>Grist Suppresses Truth -- Again</strong></p><p>Wow...talk about a pack of lies.</p><p>
In 2001, at the onset of the Bush Administration, one of the first large scale billion dollar programs was for the funding of the new Hydrogen Economy...fuel cells, hydrogen conversion, hydrogen cars. &nbsp; It has also championed nuclear fusion...the ITER project.</p><p>
That has continued every year since. &nbsp;Al Gore suppressed this information in his movie.</p><p>
The Bush Administration is attached by Grist because it went head first into true new technologies, the ones can that reduce pollution to zero: Hydrogen. &nbsp;It deemphasized things like solar cells and biofuels because it felt that private industry was handling that adequately -- and also, that those things would not get us through the 21st Century.</p>
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            <title>Comment #3 by reguru</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/bush3/</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 02:28:30 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>feeling the heat</strong></p><p>jabailo, lies? . . . I think not. &nbsp;The Bush administration has, all along, been talking about our technological future. &nbsp;Hydrogen is NOT a fuel, it is a very expensive and inefficient energy storage/transfer medium, like a bad battery. &nbsp;</p><p>
Have you ever heard of bait-and-switch? &nbsp;Putting our bucks into 'future tech' is simply a political tactic that maintains the status quo and delays any REAL change.</p><p>
Why are spending our tax dollars on 'future tech' when we have had, for more than 15 years, all the technology we need to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions AND break our foreign oil addiction at the same time - solar (thermal &amp; PV) and wind.</p><p>
Grist has it right!</p>
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				<p><strong>feeling the heat</strong></p><p>jabailo, lies? . . . I think not. &nbsp;The Bush administration has, all along, been talking about our technological future. &nbsp;Hydrogen is NOT a fuel, it is a very expensive and inefficient energy storage/transfer medium, like a bad battery. &nbsp;</p><p>
Have you ever heard of bait-and-switch? &nbsp;Putting our bucks into 'future tech' is simply a political tactic that maintains the status quo and delays any REAL change.</p><p>
Why are spending our tax dollars on 'future tech' when we have had, for more than 15 years, all the technology we need to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions AND break our foreign oil addiction at the same time - solar (thermal &amp; PV) and wind.</p><p>
Grist has it right!</p>
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            <title>Comment #4 by brotherjim</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/bush3/</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:59:39 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>confusing the issue?</strong></p><p>Bodman continued, "Even if we were successful in accomplishing some kind of debate and discussion about what caps might be here in the United States, we are a small contributor to the overall, when you look at the rest of the world.</p><p>
I thought the US of A IS the number one emitter of carbon into the atmosphere.</p><p>
Have I been lied to?</p>
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				<p><strong>confusing the issue?</strong></p><p>Bodman continued, "Even if we were successful in accomplishing some kind of debate and discussion about what caps might be here in the United States, we are a small contributor to the overall, when you look at the rest of the world.</p><p>
I thought the US of A IS the number one emitter of carbon into the atmosphere.</p><p>
Have I been lied to?</p>
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            <title>Comment #5 by Delay And Deny</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/bush3/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 01:58:05 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong>The Effect of Cosmic Rays On...<p>Hey, mainstream science is not dead! &nbsp; There are still people who analyze, think, do experiments and make valid conclusions based on data. &nbsp; It's not all "intergovernmental" cheese eating Eurocrats spouting off about things they are "90 percent" certain about. &nbsp; Check out this report in the Telegraph...seems that CO2 is possibly not responsible for global warming at all:<p>
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/11/warm11.xml" rel="nofollow">Cosmic rays blamed for global warming<p>
Henrik Svensmark, a weather scientist at the Danish National Space Centre who led the team behind the research, believes that the planet is experiencing a natural period of low cloud cover due to fewer cosmic rays entering the atmosphere.<p>
This, he says, is responsible for much of the global warming we are experiencing.</p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong>The Effect of Cosmic Rays On...<p>Hey, mainstream science is not dead! &nbsp; There are still people who analyze, think, do experiments and make valid conclusions based on data. &nbsp; It's not all "intergovernmental" cheese eating Eurocrats spouting off about things they are "90 percent" certain about. &nbsp; Check out this report in the Telegraph...seems that CO2 is possibly not responsible for global warming at all:<p>
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/11/warm11.xml" rel="nofollow">Cosmic rays blamed for global warming<p>
Henrik Svensmark, a weather scientist at the Danish National Space Centre who led the team behind the research, believes that the planet is experiencing a natural period of low cloud cover due to fewer cosmic rays entering the atmosphere.<p>
This, he says, is responsible for much of the global warming we are experiencing.</p></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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            <title>Comment #6 by leaperz</title>
			<link>http://www.grist.org/article/bush3/</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:56:18 -0800</pubDate>
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				<p><strong> Cosmic Ray Distractions Out of Left Field<p>No doubt we'll see this cosmic ray story bouncing around the right-wing blogosphere as one more reason we hapless humans shouldn't bother trying to do anything about global warming. <p>
The folks at <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/02/nigel-calder-in-the-times/" rel="nofollow">RealClimate saw this one coming and rightfully point out that cosmic rays have been measured since 1953 by the neutron monitor at Climax Station in Colorado and no long-term trends have been indicated. Hence, no positive link to global warming has been established. <p>
Commenting on the Svensmark research, RealClimate says:<br>
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At the time we pointed out that while the experiments were potentially of interest, they are a long way from actually demonstrating an influence of cosmic rays on the real world climate, and in no way justify the hyperbole that Svensmark and colleagues put into their press releases and more 'popular' pieces. Even if the evidence for solar forcing were legitimate, any bizarre calculus that takes evidence for solar forcing of climate as evidence against greenhouse gases for current climate change is simply wrong. <br>
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Cherry picking facts and figures is a favorite tactic of the deniers of human-induced global warming. In contrast, identifying long-term trends, correlating aggregate data, evaluating peer-reviewed research, and examining large-scale patterns are the elements that constitute real science. <p>
The Union of Concerned Scientists offers some <a href="http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/" rel="nofollow">thoughtful perspective on the human fingerprints of climate change. &nbsp; &nbsp;</a></p></p></br></br></br></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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				<p><strong> Cosmic Ray Distractions Out of Left Field<p>No doubt we'll see this cosmic ray story bouncing around the right-wing blogosphere as one more reason we hapless humans shouldn't bother trying to do anything about global warming. <p>
The folks at <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/02/nigel-calder-in-the-times/" rel="nofollow">RealClimate saw this one coming and rightfully point out that cosmic rays have been measured since 1953 by the neutron monitor at Climax Station in Colorado and no long-term trends have been indicated. Hence, no positive link to global warming has been established. <p>
Commenting on the Svensmark research, RealClimate says:<br>
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At the time we pointed out that while the experiments were potentially of interest, they are a long way from actually demonstrating an influence of cosmic rays on the real world climate, and in no way justify the hyperbole that Svensmark and colleagues put into their press releases and more 'popular' pieces. Even if the evidence for solar forcing were legitimate, any bizarre calculus that takes evidence for solar forcing of climate as evidence against greenhouse gases for current climate change is simply wrong. <br>
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Cherry picking facts and figures is a favorite tactic of the deniers of human-induced global warming. In contrast, identifying long-term trends, correlating aggregate data, evaluating peer-reviewed research, and examining large-scale patterns are the elements that constitute real science. <p>
The Union of Concerned Scientists offers some <a href="http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/" rel="nofollow">thoughtful perspective on the human fingerprints of climate change. &nbsp; &nbsp;</a></p></p></br></br></br></p></a></p></p></strong></p>
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